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Orange Blooded [2542]
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A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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Oct 1, 2024, 7:21 AM
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For Western North Carolina. This is a All Hands On Deck situation.
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National Champion [7897]
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Western NC has catastrophic damage and needs all hand on deck
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Oct 1, 2024, 8:05 AM
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to help rescue people and get them to safety.
to get supplies, especially medication & food.
This situation is only going to get worse in the coming weeks/months with the water systems compromised. Really no need to tell everyone how devastating this will be considering the loss of human life and massive amounts of wildlife (estimates in the 100's of thousands on livestock lost that never had a chance). It is not even conceivable what they are enduring and my heart goes out to each of them.
Prayers for everyone that lives there, is working to help those who live there and those who are donating to help the efforts. This is where the unity of humanity can make a difference.
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Game Changer [1652]
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Re: Western NC has catastrophic damage and needs all hand on deck
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Oct 1, 2024, 1:24 PM
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My understanding is that the bulk of material and people were focused on Florida which was based on very reasonable facts and assumptions. Moving things will take more time than anyone wants but I've no is how it might be sped up. I know private resources are already under way but progress will be slow as there is so much devastation. Those of us who are able might consider making donations, I know we're I among those from the area I'd be grateful no matter where the assistance came from.
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National Champion [7897]
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Re: Western NC has catastrophic damage and needs all hand on deck
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Amen to that. If you can even fathom putting yourself in the shoes of those who are dealing with such utter destruction I think most would happily donate to any relief efforts.
I do not believe anyone could have imagined this scenario, and if they did maybe they should be who we listen to more often. Unreal, completely unreal.
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Game Changer [1984]
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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Oct 1, 2024, 8:51 AM
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What makes you think that isn't being done? The president and gov have declared it an emergency and deployed every tool they have...
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Ring of Honor [21939]
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People there on the ground are saying otherwise
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Oct 1, 2024, 10:20 AM
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Locals have taken to social media saying the federal government isn't hardly doing anything there and that is has been mostly local efforts.
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110%er [3651]
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Re: People there on the ground are saying otherwise
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Oct 1, 2024, 10:52 AM
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Meh just because some people haven’t seen them doesn’t mean they aren’t involved. Appearances are often deceiving.
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Ring of Honor [21939]
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Oh I'm sure they're there but to what degree
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Oct 1, 2024, 11:08 AM
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nearly every video i've seen of helicopters combing the area and rescuing has been privately owned or commercial.
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Clemson Conqueror [11932]
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And I've seen dozens of military helicopters heading west over my house
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Oct 1, 2024, 11:58 AM
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People are gonna see what fits their narrative.
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Ring of Honor [21939]
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Re: And I've seen dozens of military helicopters heading west over my house
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Oct 1, 2024, 4:18 PM
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Ring of Honor [23176]
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Re: And I've seen dozens of military helicopters heading west over my house
Oct 1, 2024, 4:36 PM
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I'm glad those folks are doing what they can to help, but 1 Chinook is probably worth 10 of those civilian choppers in terms of carrying capacity.
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Rival Killer [2906]
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Not necessarily.
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Oct 1, 2024, 4:57 PM
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Chinooks require much larger landing zones than do the smaller civilian helicopters.
A lot of the places they would ordinarily land are compromised.and unusable.
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Orange Blooded [2182]
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The Asheville airport was reopened strictly for supplies runs.
Oct 1, 2024, 5:14 PM
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(Not for commercial flights.)
I assume that's providing the necessary space for landing aircrafts.
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Rival Killer [2906]
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Good luck getting those supplies where the roads are out.
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Oct 1, 2024, 5:34 PM
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I'm talking about direct help of supplies to where they are needed.
The Air Guard is using C-130's to bring large amounts of cargo to AVL. They don't need to use helicopters for that.
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Re: Oh I'm sure they're there but to what degree
Oct 2, 2024, 6:09 AM
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We live about four miles from the airport. I have seen a C-130 landing and there are at least two Chinook helicopters flying in and out multiple times per day. I have also seen plenty of private helicopters flying in and out. I believe the expectations for fema are a little off. FEMA supports local and state authorities. They also coordinate military assets, trucks of water & MREs plus financial support. We see tons of power trucks, tree service trucks ambulances so we know they are working to support. We don’t see a bunch of people from FEMA but that is not their role.
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All-Pro [753]
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Re: People there on the ground are saying otherwise
Oct 7, 2024, 8:23 AM
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Biden has sent in 2000 federal troops to help. Also the roads are so destroyed it takes a little time to get relief workers to some places. When someone says "some people" are saying, that doesn't say the government isn't trying to help. This will take months and in some places maybe a year to return to normal.
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Re: People there on the ground are saying otherwise
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Oct 1, 2024, 1:26 PM
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It’s sad that people will even lie about this type of situation to try to politicize it. National Guard has been deployed and is helping the residents of North Carolina.
What I’d like to see is one of these billionaires like Besos or Musk step up and make a donation to help these poor people who are suffering. They could each donate 1 billion and never miss it. It would help thousands of people recover. I have donated to the Red Cross, but can only give a tiny fraction of what these guys can.
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Paw Warrior [4739]
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Re: People there on the ground are saying otherwise
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Oct 1, 2024, 1:38 PM
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We don't need billionaires to donate anything. What about the billions we send and continue to send to other countries. How about take care of our people first. They won't do that because they won't get any kickbacks.
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Clemson Conqueror [11453]
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Re: People there on the ground are saying otherwise
Oct 2, 2024, 4:28 AM
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Because there is a giant world around us and we know world history. We don't live in a bubble.
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Rival Killer [2906]
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Funny how that's always a one way street
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Oct 2, 2024, 8:28 AM
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...on the backs of the America taxpayers.
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National Champion [7294]
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Re: People there on the ground are saying otherwise
Oct 1, 2024, 3:27 PM
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I saw about 30 chinooks and black hawks take off earlier loaded down with supplies and people, presumably headed that way.
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Commissioner [1263]
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Re: People there on the ground are saying otherwise
Oct 1, 2024, 5:05 PM
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From where?
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Ring of Honor [21939]
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Rival Killer [2906]
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Re: People there on the ground are saying otherwise
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Oct 1, 2024, 5:12 PM
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The Army National Guard and Air Guard are state assets. They don't get federalized except for foreign deployments.
The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits active duty DoD domestic use except in rare circumstances. Thank Congress from 1878 and President Rutherford B. Hayes for that one.
The Coast Guard can operate domestically, because they are part of DHS, not DoD.
The exceptions include things that only the Navy can do like the Puerto Rico hurricane relief a few years ago, or temporarily provided electricity to a astal city.
The aircraft carrier USS Lexington (CV-2) did that for Tacoma, WA in 1929.
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Orange Blooded [2228]
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Re: People there on the ground are saying otherwise
Oct 6, 2024, 11:57 AM
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We don’t need the government to do anything. Americans have donated in overwhelming numbers, to the point they are asking for stuff to come in waves. So much stuff they can’t store it. Also many volunteers, so many some are in the way. I like seeing the citizens take care of our own not FEMA
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Tiger Spirit [9539]
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President and governor.
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Oct 1, 2024, 10:37 AM
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LOL. Good one.
Two empty suits. And everyone around them are empty suits.
Oh boy. They had a press conference! Yayyy!!!!
Why do you think people are killing contaminated fish with rocks and eating them raw?
This is horrible. Way worse than Katrina already, and getting even worse.
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Clemson Conqueror [11932]
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Which is it brochacho?
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Oct 1, 2024, 12:19 PM
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Yesterday the Republican presidential nominee, while visiting GA, claimed that the WH had diverted all of the resources to western NC instead of GA because it was a Democrat strong hold with a Democratic governor. Are you saying that he lied?
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Game Changer [1984]
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Re: Which is it brochacho?
Oct 2, 2024, 9:00 AM
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and then the actual GA governor came out and disproved everything he said.
Do you believe everything that bafoon says?
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Orange Blooded [2182]
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Seems to me that the president and governor of GA are communicating well
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Oct 1, 2024, 1:30 PM
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...and it's the orange fear monger that's making up stories that say otherwise.
All he's doing is serving as a distraction by visiting the area. He gets his photo op while local leaders have to figure out how to accommodate his entourage while also helping people in need.
Par for the course, though, from someone who only ever thinks about himself.
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Paw Warrior [4717]
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Re: Seems to me that the president and governor of GA are communicating well
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Oct 1, 2024, 2:42 PM
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I think you will find that Trump is donating quite a bit. His mouth is not as big as your fat fingers.
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Clemson Conqueror [11932]
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Duuuuuude?!
Oct 1, 2024, 2:54 PM
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Lots of people have made lots of wild claims about the former president; but none as outlandish as claiming he doesn't have big mouth. He's a carnival barker.
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Orange Blooded [2182]
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Which do you think lies more, his fat mouth or my fat fingers?
Oct 1, 2024, 3:17 PM
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He can keep his "donations" ... we have plenty of people around here who can practice their jumpshots in front of the cameras with rolls of paper towels.
Again, if he really wanted to help, he would stay away and let people focus on urgent needs.
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done- FEMA
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Oct 1, 2024, 8:52 AM
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isnt that what they are there for?
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All-TigerNet [5703]
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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Oct 1, 2024, 8:55 AM
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When have to rebuild entire towns, you obviously need supplies. Let the port strike last more than a week or 2 and the ability to find and afford those supplies will be 2x as bad as during Covid
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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Oct 1, 2024, 9:13 AM
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I heard on the news they were offered a 50% raise last night and rejected it. I have never gotten over a 3% raise in my life and that was after an outstanding review.
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Orange Blooded [2390]
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Ring of Honor [23176]
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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Oct 1, 2024, 10:28 AM
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50% over a 6-year period, not 50% immediately. A 3% yearly raise is barely enough to keep up with inflation, so it's not much of a raise at all. Maybe you should consider changing companies, changing locations, going into a different line of work, and/or joining a union.
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Starter [291]
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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Oct 1, 2024, 5:51 PM
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You would need alot more than a 3% raise to keep up with this administration's inflation!
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Athletic Dir [1186]
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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50% raise over 6 years is 8.33 % every year for 6 years. That is a substantial raise. Also the 3% raise you reffered to is normally a cost of living raise meant to combat inflation. A huge raise for large group negatively affects the rest of our pay. Look at the 75% raise most minimum wage workers received. Now food cost more and we all have to pay for even if we didn’t get a raise. Everything is relative people get paid more goods cost more.
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Clemson Sports Icon [54679]
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Sorry, they sent all that money to Ukraine and Israel.***
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Re: Sorry, they sent all that money to Ukraine and Israel.***
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Based on pictures from Fl, Ga and especially the Ashville and surrounding area...sure looks like a war zone to me.
Problem with FEMA is that it's a Federal Government operation. I have delt with them...lots of talk and slow to act and leave before the job is done.
The US has allocated some $113.4B (per CNN) through various programs (USIA, Equipment, etc,) that they tell us about and probably necessary. Not a politician and am sure those above my pay grade are making the right decisions, but it sure would be nice if we could help all those folks in the US who have and are struggling to get their life back and will suffer for years to come.
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Clemson Conqueror [11453]
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Re: Sorry, they sent all that money to Ukraine and Israel.***
Oct 1, 2024, 3:22 PM
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Non factor and not sorry. 80 percent of that money stays in the USA anyway and doesn't go directly to those countries. It goes to arms in the USA that are sent there.
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Clemson Sports Icon [54679]
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That doesnt sound so great either.***
Oct 1, 2024, 8:58 PM
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Paw Master [16389]
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Re: Sorry, they sent all that money to Ukraine and Israel.***
Oct 2, 2024, 6:20 AM
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You are exactly correct.
GO TIGERS!!!
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Athletic Dir [1143]
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Re: Sorry, they sent all that money to Ukraine and Israel.***
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Amen Drummer. Remember they will not get any kick backs like they do from Ukraine money donations Take care if the American people or get the #### out
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Yeah, all of a sudden you want the Governmen's help
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It is just a tropical deoression, "Govenment is not the solution, it is the problem", we spend way too much, The Private sector needs to adress this, why doesnlt the community pick itelf up by its bootstraps and stop acting like vicitims. If we send them money, they will be less likely to do the work to fix their communities. blah blah blah
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Clemson Icon [27789]
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Not to mention its usually republicans who always want
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To slash funding for infrastructure or emergency response.
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Re: Not to mention its usually republicans who always want
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You should tell that to all the democrats that have been running Buncombe County and Asheville all these years and lining their pockets while our inferstrucure fell apart.
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Orange Blooded [2295]
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Emergency response is a legitimate government function.
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The more illegitimate functions a government performs the less able it is to perform its legitimate functions.
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Legend [6804]
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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Oct 1, 2024, 1:43 PM
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This is pretty simple - the breadth of the devastation is too wide for any agency or government to be boots on the ground in all places. It is very clear that the National Guard, FEMA, the Red Cross, and others are heavily involved in the search, rescue, and support missions.
Just because they haven't gotten to a particular person yet doesn't mean they aren't deployed. It's just that that person decided to post on Facebook that there is no governmental help to be seen, others do the social media BS and perpetuate the falsehood, and here you are doing the same thing.
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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Oct 1, 2024, 1:50 PM
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We send billions to a sinkhole in Ukraine, but seem unable to help our own here on US soil. Sad state of affairs.
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Clemson Conqueror [11453]
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
Oct 1, 2024, 3:24 PM
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We realize.yoi support Putin. That is.a.non factor by the way anyway.
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Orange Blooded [2519]
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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Agree. There are so many people just missing
There are also dead people not identified yet
The lack of media coverage to the NC mountains bothers me. It like they don’t want anyone to know. What is going on with that? Entire towns are gone. Come on people. That part of the state as changed forever.
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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Left wing trash media will always cover for left wing trash politicians. Ignoring real news to focus on promoting their agenda is all the modern media exists for. If Trump was POTUS we all know that the media would have every resource available to them there on the ground showing dead bodies for the world to see and blaming one man for it all. Similar to how Katrina was all Bushes fault yet somehow Biden is sitting on a beach drooling in his drink and nobody in the corrupt media will even acknowledge the enormity of the situation, much less dare point a finger at anyone in charge. If there were hundreds of dead Floridians every where and possibly thousands more to be found you can bet your ### they'd be crawling up DeSantis rear end wanting answers yet Roy Cooper is somehow not getting the same treatment. The fact is left wing trash hate you and would rather spend your tax dollars flying in a million refugees and setting them up in hotels with fat EBT cards while you and yours are left to die in the mud.
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Paw Master [16389]
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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Oct 1, 2024, 9:21 PM
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You hit the nail on the head. You also just described the Asheville and Buncombe County leaders.
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Orange Blooded [2542]
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Re: So true
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Most of you are off the Subject. The infrastructure of that whole area needs to be repaired or replaced. Water, electricity, sewer, etc. needs to be worked on. Coordination and points of emphasis needs to be set up in a hurry. Winter is coming!
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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Oct 2, 2024, 6:18 AM
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Same story different year!! Sad but true! Same BS happening in neighboring counties. Somehow they seem to have a slush fund but the said county run by libs is a #### hole to put it mildly. Maybe one day folks will wake the #### up, but with the constant media spin most have no idea on what is going on.
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Paw Master [16389]
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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Nah they are to busy getting indoctrinated instead of educated.
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Game Changer [1984]
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
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Oct 2, 2024, 9:03 AM
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ha. do you not remember when hurricane Matthew destroyed parts of of NC and Trump only supplied 7% of the requested national funds?
you are a clown for thinking he would protect the people.
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Ironic you would bring up clown.
Oct 7, 2024, 9:35 AM
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LOL
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Tiger Titan [50577]
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Re: A Marshall Plan needs to be done
Oct 2, 2024, 9:01 AM
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Absolutely
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