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TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:19 PM
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Dynasty Maker [3119]
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Let the whining and crying
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:22 PM
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Associate AD [1038]
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Re: Rightfully so......
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:45 PM
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I'm IPTAY, an alum, a HUGE sports fan and attend a lot of football, basketball, baseball and softball games, my father was offered a scholarship by Coach Howard and I'm ALL IN...... BUT this is ridiculous. Every student does not benefit from nor should they have to pay for athletics @ Clemson University. NO NO NO. #### no.
Completely disagree, not a good sign. It means nothing that we're the last ones in the state to charge this fee. It DID mean something when we didn't.
My opinion but I'm pissed @ my school. It's not right..... for many reasons.
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Rock Defender [50]
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Re: Rightfully so......
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:49 PM
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Does that guarantee them a seat at each sporting event
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Hall of Famer [8125]
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Re: Rightfully so......
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:50 PM
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No, there are not enough seats for them to attend every event. Especially football.
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Re: Rightfully so......
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:52 PM
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No. They are plenty of seats. They are just sold to the general public.
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Hall of Famer [8125]
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Re: Rightfully so......
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:54 PM
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Yeah, they aren’t going to give those to students when they can bring in a ton more money by selling to the public.
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Commissioner [1223]
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Re: Rightfully so......
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:56 PM
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They are not. And that is a problem if you mandate the fee.
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Associate AD [1038]
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Re: Boom ! Exactly
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Oct 18, 2024, 3:06 PM
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Yep.
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Clemson Conqueror [11933]
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If you go all year without going to Redfern do they give you your health fee
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Oct 18, 2024, 3:09 PM
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Back? Doesn’t matter if the students don’t go to any games; having a thriving athletic department elevates the profile of the entire university and by extension their eventual degree.
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Gridiron Giant [16034]
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Do you think Bama fans are in high demand because of their multiple
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Oct 18, 2024, 3:27 PM
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national championships?
Do you think Vandy or Northwestern students are getting passed over because their football is bad? Anyone check in on the Ivy's lately?
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Clemson Conqueror [11933]
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Solid Orange [1321]
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Re: Yeah I do
Oct 19, 2024, 2:17 PM
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I already posted the actual rankings to show our prestige as a university has fallen since 2009. It's true enrollment grows. When you have a good sports team, more people want to go to a school.
But here's where you make your mistake. If applications increased but the student body remained the same size, then prestige would increase, because you'd be more selective and the average student would be higher quality. But that's not what happens. Instead, schools want more money and so they grow their student body to match the increased applications. So they're not more selective. And more importantly, the smartest kids are not choosing college based on football or basketball. So you're accepting more students and those students are lower quality. You're dumbing down your student body, as can be seen by the fact that 15% less of Clemson students were in the top 10% of their class compared to 2009.
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Solid Orange [1321]
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Re: If you go all year without going to Redfern do they give you your health fee
Oct 19, 2024, 2:11 PM
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What a stupid opinion. Athletic prowess is inversely related to athletic accomplishments. Alabama, Georgia, LSU, Oklahoma, Ohio State, Oregon. Excellent athletic programs but mediocre, poorly-ranked schools. Harvard, Yale, Princeton, MIT, Cal Tech, Stanford. Mediocre or even terrible athletics but the top universities in the world.
Our ranking as a university has fallen dramatically over Dabo's tenure. We are obviously a much better school athletically since 2009. However, in that time, we've fallen in the national university rankings from #52 to #80 and from #19 to #39 in the national public university rankings.
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Tiger Titan [47977]
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Wrong. Every single student benefits from athletics
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Oct 18, 2024, 3:16 PM
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and more specifically football.
To think otherwise is foolish.
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All-Conference [431]
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Re: Wrong. Every single student benefits from athletics
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:58 PM
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How do they benefit from athletics other than a free ticket for a game or two in the nosebleed sections?
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"partiALL In"***
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Oct 18, 2024, 3:47 PM
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Re: Rightfully so......
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:22 PM
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Sorry 86Orange but you have the wrong point of view. I remember riding my bike to the gas station at the end of our street and I could buy a Moon Pie and a Coke for .15 cents. The gas station is long gone and so is that price of Moon Pies and Cokes but have I stopped buying them, a big fat no.
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All-Pro [768]
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Get in line buddy. They have stomped on iptay donors
Oct 18, 2024, 7:01 PM
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For years ….. sorry if I don’t shed a tear for students
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Orange Beast [6285]
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IPTAY donors
Oct 19, 2024, 5:32 AM
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To add salt to the wound, collective donors can get access to the players. IPTAY donors cannot have an appreciation day to get a shirt signed.
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Clemson Sports Icon [59992]
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Re: Let the whining and crying
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Oct 18, 2024, 5:00 PM
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They really should be, and mainly bc for all of these years there wasn't a fee for students to attend the games that their school sponsors. They go to class one day and friends could plan to take in the game on Saturday, and the next day they are told that $150 bucks a semester equaling $300 bucks more a year to their tuition that is already grossly overpriced.
With as much as 4 year colleges cost these days, and with the colleges having people always bringing up things to get more money from the students and their parents after already paying way to much. Students and parents should make an effort to see if they could be better off by just going to an occupational school where they can earn and receive an associate degree in only two years.
I really don't think that the plan was for parents and students to be in debt for 10 years after attending a 4 year college. Price gouging for a college education has reached levels where most people just can't afford it anymore without being in severe debt for 10 to 15 years after graduation...
Going to college now has out priced a 4 bedroom, 2 full baths nice home on 1 acre of land...
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Game Changer [1608]
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Re: Let the whining and crying
Oct 19, 2024, 5:01 AM
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Back when I was a student, we paid a $75 Activity Fee, and got an Activity Card. It was used to get Football and basketball admission (tickets), plus baseball, soccer, etc….. Also for Fike activities.
It was not a big deal. I guess they dropped the fee over the years?
Tuition and other fees are 10-20 times more now.
Go Tigers!
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Paw Warrior [4717]
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Re: Let the whining and crying
Oct 19, 2024, 9:58 AM
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Yep. In ‘69 the Activity Fee was $75.
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Tiger Spirit [9570]
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:28 PM
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So if this is saying what I think it's saying then the additional fees will be going to help the non-revenue sports instead of being taken from sports like football or men's basketball
Is that correct or no?
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:36 PM
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It is still a pot. If non-revenue sports pull from this $6M (or whatever the yearly total is) that leaves additional funds for other things. Don’t get your panties in a wad.
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Tiger Spirit [9570]
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 5:21 PM
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Lol panties in a wad? A clear misinterpretation of my post on your part. I asked a simple question for clarification purposes. Nothing more, nothing less. No hidden animosity behind it
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Clemson Conqueror [11933]
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Thats like one textbook
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:29 PM
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or two weeks of PSLs at Starbies. Not worth worrying about.
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Hall of Famer [8125]
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Re: Thats like one textbook
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:38 PM
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Yup, or like 15 cents added to their lifetime of student loan payments. 😂
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Clemson Conqueror [11264]
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Oh dang. So now it falls to the taxpayer with student loan forgiveness?***
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:16 PM
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Hall of Famer [8125]
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Re: Oh dang. So now it falls to the taxpayer with student loan forgiveness?***
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Oct 18, 2024, 5:51 PM
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Yup, with most people paying with student loans an extra $150 means nothing.
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Re: Thats like one textbook
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Oct 18, 2024, 3:03 PM
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They absolutely count on people with this thought process. Putting importance on all monies, including the nickels dimes and pennies, makes cents!
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Legend [6804]
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Re: Thats like one textbook
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Oct 18, 2024, 3:08 PM
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Yep...as evidenced by every .01 cent tax increase ever...none of which end up being "temporary".
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Clemson Conqueror [11933]
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Theyre not counting on anything because it doesnt matter how students feel
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Oct 18, 2024, 3:13 PM
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about it. There aren’t any other schools that don’t charge the fee (at least apparently in SC); so, what are prospective students gonna do if they don’t like it when there aren’t any alternative schools without the fee?
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Tiger Spirit [9539]
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Re: Theyre not counting on anything because it doesnt matter how students feel
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:01 PM
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“We’ll take their money, and tell them to like it…”
Pretty much.
Spoken like a true demoncrat.
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Clemson Conqueror [11933]
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Spoken like a true economist
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:14 PM
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there’s no substitute good for what Clemson is offering; so, they don’t have to worry about hurting demand by making this change. Most people don’t get as butthurt as you do about basic market dynamics
I didn’t realize free market actions were a liberal thing
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Tiger Spirit [9539]
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Re: Spoken like a true economist
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:18 PM
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You’re voting for Kamala Harris.
You are disqualified forever from any discussion on economics.
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Clemson Conqueror [11933]
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Re: Spoken like a true economist
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:27 PM
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1st I never told you who I am voting for I only told you that Trump is a moron - which he is
2nd May Degree in Economics from this here same university means I’m better at it than either of em
3rd I do this for a living at a very high level; so, if you really wanna know how both of their plans are absolutely moronic I can fill you in. But you don’t really wanna know about it you just wanna keep on worshipping your orange messiah.
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Tiger Spirit [9539]
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Re: Spoken like a true economist
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:32 PM
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1. We know you’re not voting for the boogey-man Trump. So, are you not voting at all?
2. You don’t do anything at a high level. LOL it’s weird to try to make that flex on a message board.
3. My orange messiah is Dabo.
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Clemson Conqueror [11933]
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If you wanna post something on the politics board and ask for my opinion
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:49 PM
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Feel free. I made a mistake by engaging with your nonsense on the football board. Keep your opinion on the subject in the shadows where it belongs.
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Tiger Spirit [9539]
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You did make a mistake.
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:59 PM
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Get back to your high level job.
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Re: Spoken like a true economist
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Oct 18, 2024, 5:48 PM
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Right. But he’s not orange.
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Head Coach [998]
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Re: Spoken like a true economist
Oct 19, 2024, 11:16 AM
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1. We know you’re not voting for the boogey-man Trump. So, are you not voting at all?
2. You don’t do anything at a high level. LOL it’s weird to try to make that flex on a message board.
3. My orange messiah is Dabo.
There is no orange messiah, only an orange antichrist. Figure it out.
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:35 PM
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If you want nonrevenue sports to continue to exist this is gonna be about the only way for it to happen.
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Orange Phenom [14792]
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1000% correct!!
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Oct 18, 2024, 3:26 PM
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Revenue sharing starts next year.
That means up to 22% of revenue can be shared with revenue generating sports (Football, BBall & Baseball). To pay this, there is going to be tremendous pressure to fund the Non Revenue sports.
This (roughly) 4 million in revenue will be there difference in keeping the athletic Dept in the black and the non revenue sports from going to the chopping block.
Athletics fees are nothing new. Clemson was just very, very late to doing this as we had IPTAY instead.
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:38 PM
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“ Other public colleges or universities in the state charge an average of $1,000 for athletic fees, and Clemson’s archrival, the University of South Carolina, charges its students an athletic fee of roughly $150”.
So Scar charges $150 and there are a total of 13 public colleges and universities in the state. One is MUSC which doesn’t have athletics. Clemson can’t be included in the average as it didn’t have the fee until next school year. So that leaves 11 to help come up with this $1000 average. In order for the average to be $1000, the non-Scar colleges and universities need to average charging their students a $1085 athletic fee.
Coots and soon to be Clemson charge $150
Meanwhile The Citadel, Coastal, College of Charleston, Francis Marion, Lander, SC State, USC Aiken, US Beaufort, USC Upstate and Winthrop are charging on average $1085???
That makes zero sense.
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Legend [6804]
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:48 PM
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I thought the exact same thing. Either the numbers aren't right, or someone is charging a TON to bring that average to $1000.
DavidHood®
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 3:11 PM
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Yeah, I don't think that's accurate. Coastal Carolina students do pay a ton of money to subsidize their athletic program, though. Over $3,500 per student per year, the most of any school. They just don't call it an athletics fee.
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All-Conference [431]
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List of South Carolina University "athletic fees"
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Oct 18, 2024, 5:14 PM
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"Other public colleges or universities in the state charge an average of $1,000 for athletic fees" This is simply not true. Most include it in the regular tuition or include it in fees for other services.
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University of South Carolina students pay an Athletic Event Fee of $86.50 per semester. This fee helps support facility upkeep and grants students access to athletic events and the ticketing lottery for major sports like football, basketball, and baseball
South Carolina State University (SCSU) includes an athletic fee as part of its general tuition and fees. While the specific athletic fee isn't itemized separately, the university's total cost of attendance includes coverage for athletics among other student services
At The Citadel, the athletic fee for cadets is part of the overall cost structure. Specifically, there is a Deas Hall Fee of $75 per semester for cadets, which supports athletic and recreational activities on campus. This fee is separate from other tuition and room-and-board charges, which are significant due to the military and leadership training provided at the school
At Erskine College, athletic fees are part of the general tuition and fees structure, though they are not specifically itemized as a separate athletic fee.
At Furman University, there isn't a specific athletic fee charged separately to students. Instead, the comprehensive tuition includes access to a wide range of campus services and facilities, including athletics.
At Anderson University, there is no separate athletic fee explicitly listed for students. Instead, students pay a general set of fees that cover various aspects of campus life, including athletics. For the 2024-2025 academic year, full-time undergraduate students are charged a Student Services Fee of $385 per semester and a Student Activities Fee of $160 per semester
At Bob Jones University, there is no separate athletic fee specifically for general students. Instead, a Program Fee of about $1,000 per semester for full-time students covers a range of services, including the use of athletic and fitness facilities, library access, and campus network services. This fee also includes tickets to the Concert, Opera & Drama Series and admission to intercollegiate sports games for students enrolled in six or more credits
At Lander University, students are charged an athletic fee of $113 per semester for full-time students.
At Coastal Carolina University, full-time students are charged an athletic fee of $225 per semester.
At Francis Marion University (FMU), students are charged an athletic fee as part of their overall university fees. For full-time students, this fee is part of the general fees that help support athletic programs and provide access to events and facilities.
At Winthrop University, students are charged various fees to support services and facilities, including athletics. While there isn't a specific "athletic fee" itemized separately for all students, general fees for full-time undergraduate students include approximately $1,258 per semester, which covers a range of student services, including access to recreational and athletic facilities
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Orange Immortal [63020]
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Booooooooooo.***
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Commissioner [1223]
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:51 PM
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I’ve got two kids in school there now. I am fine with the fee. But if they pay the fee - they should be guaranteed football tickets. Paying a fee just to lose out in the lottery would not be cool.
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 5:24 PM
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I agree. We already “donate” to Iptay with no guarantee of student receiving a football ticket in the lottery. Every student that wants to go to a game should be able to, especially if we are now paying $300 athletic fee.
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 2:57 PM
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Everyone has a choice. You vote with your dollars. I agree with the ones that are stating this is how the non-revenue sports can survive; especially the men's non-revenue sports.
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Dynasty Maker [3102]
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 3:24 PM
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So no vote on beer sales? Can they not see the forest through the trees? This would be an easy way to fund the athletic department and raise NIL money other than sticking it to the students.
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Hall of Famer [8125]
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 3:38 PM
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Someone said that’s coming next year.
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Orange Beast [6285]
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Tip of the iceberg
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Oct 18, 2024, 3:59 PM
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Other changes will be coming. Football will be a separate entity with different rules within the next five years. The athletic fee is a standard at schools in Georgia. Clemson held out as long as it could to add the fee. Beer sales will be next.
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 3:44 PM
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When I was a graduate student at Clemson in the 1990s we paid an athletic fee - if my memory is correct, I think it was $60 a semester. It didn't guarantee us seats for football or basketball; I bought tickets for the football games or got them as gifts from players I tutored. I did get into baseball games for free, which was what made me happy.
I had friends who were undergrads & I thought they said they were paying an athletic fee to be able to sit on the Hill for free???
I could be wrong about the undergrads, but I know I paid an athletic fee - I was in my late 20s, early 30s, and responsible for paying any tuition & fees not covered by my scholarship. I know what was on those bills from Clemson.
So when did this change that it's now changing again?
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:09 PM
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In today's world, the fee is very fair.
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An additional 3 million bucks annually
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:12 PM
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for the University. This is just another stream of revenue for an institution that’s rich and begging for more. That being said,
GO TIGERS !!!
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Re: An additional 3 million bucks annually
Oct 18, 2024, 6:52 PM
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Seems it would mean at least $6 mil annually since the fee is charged each semester (x2
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:12 PM
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Instead, they should reduce the inflated salaries of the Marxist professors.
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It's ok because everyone else does it
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:55 PM
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The money generated by football should be plenty to fund the other sports and fund a reduction in tuition for students. Putting a another fee on the backs of the students is ridiculous and using the mantra "everyone else does it" is disappointing.
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:57 PM
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What some of you, most of you< fail to realize is that non revenue sports have to rely on the leftovers of revenue sports money to get scholarships. With no scholarship money, there is the possibility that a deserving future Olympic champion will go to another school that does have the money. I ran track for Clemson and my first year, all that got paid for was my books because that was all that could be allotted from leftover money. Didn't matter that I was ranked top 5 in the world coming out of high school. Many non revenue athletes drop out of school because they can't afford it. This money will help provide for them. It's a shame the majority of people go out of their way to talk about how they want an athlete to represent Clemson, the students, and culture. But, don't want to help them stay there to do so. This is not an opinion. This is from personal experience.
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In the 2022-2023 Clemson Athleticsy generated $158.3 M in revenue
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Oct 18, 2024, 5:19 PM
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In the 2022-2023 fiscal year, Clemson University generated approximately $158.3 million in revenue from its athletic programs. Football was the largest contributor, bringing in around $70.6 million. Clemson’s expenses for the year were $143.4 million, leaving the athletic department with a surplus of nearly $15 million. This revenue places Clemson among the top athletic programs in the ACC
Where is this money going?
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Re: In the 2022-2023 Clemson Athleticsy generated $158.3 M in revenue
Oct 18, 2024, 8:45 PM
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13M profit for the entire athletic department. Zero need for the tax.
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I haven't seen anyone talking about IPTAY
Oct 18, 2024, 6:15 PM
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Is this projected (or has it even been considered) to have a potential negative effect on student IPTAY membership? I would wager that many of us were IPTAY members as students and continued that into the current years. Starting students into IPTAY is one of the smartest things Clemson has done over the years for continued athletic success. I'm concerned this may have a net negative impact going forward, both in dollars and IPTAY participation, but it will be years before we see if that plays out.
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
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Oct 18, 2024, 7:02 PM
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I’m ok with it. If you breakdown tuition cost I’m sure there are other junk fees in it. That is like paying 78 bucks in 1995 when I was there. Whatever
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
Oct 18, 2024, 7:02 PM
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This is 🐎💩
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
Oct 18, 2024, 9:49 PM
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It's nothing
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
Oct 18, 2024, 9:50 PM
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It's nothing . $150 ???? I paid more for parking at the Benz for preseason vs Trevor
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Re: TNET: Clemson BOT votes to mandate an athletic fee on students
Oct 19, 2024, 1:41 PM
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Clemson BOT need all fired. While my dad Tom Kirby still alive he made sure IPTAY and will all his Clemsob pushed against that. To make it fair now my NIL athletes by their own tuition plus room and board. Clemson President’s contract extension garbage too. He has made Clemson’s word mean nothing now.
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