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Is the ACC really that bad in basketball this season?
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Feb 23, 2025, 10:56 AM
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When Duke absolutely goes up and beats Illinois by half a million. I know Duke is likely the top team outside of Clemson, but to do that to a mid Big 10 team says something.
I dont think the ACC is good. I think they are just average.
Something is going on here.
This quad level stuff for basketball is insane. Operating with this system Gonzaga would have never gotten in the tourney as much as they did or got national seeds.
I feel like we are over analyzing basketball.
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Valley Legend [12601]
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Re: Is the ACC really that bad in basketball this season?
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Feb 23, 2025, 10:57 AM
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Its like we got beat badly in the ACC/SEC challenge and never got the benefit of the doubt playing most elite version of SEC in its history.
Yea the ACC is not the SEC this year, but the ACC is also not the SoCon.
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Paw Master [17731]
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Re: Is the ACC really that bad in basketball this season?
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Feb 23, 2025, 11:15 AM
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NET conference says the ACC is the 5th best conference. That’s bad for the conference that hung its hat on, and made multiple expansions around, being the best in basketball. We specifically sought to wreck the Big East who had surpassed us. Net result of those actions was that they’re now 4th ranked but still ahead of us. We killed two brands at once. But that gap between us and the southern conference is roughly twice the gap between us and the SEC.
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Dynasty Maker [3568]
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Re: Is the ACC really that bad in basketball this season?
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Feb 23, 2025, 11:16 AM
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The tournament will speak for itself, as it does every year
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this is a myth created by the LF to deny Brad the glory he deserves.***
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Feb 23, 2025, 11:44 AM
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Paw Master [17578]
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It's absolutely a coping mechanism***
Feb 23, 2025, 3:10 PM
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Game Changer [1623]
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Weve been waiting the 4th and 5th best conference for years.
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Feb 23, 2025, 11:46 AM
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5th this year.
The ACC is a shell of what it used to be.
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Game Changer [1623]
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Not sure where *waiting* came from, but you get the idea***
Feb 23, 2025, 11:48 AM
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Dynasty Maker [3256]
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Why does the league get worse
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Feb 23, 2025, 11:47 AM
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after every Clemson victory. Just amazing.
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TigerNet Elite [69321]
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^^^ THIS!!!
Feb 23, 2025, 11:47 AM
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Amen, brother.
Joy. Choose love.
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Re: Been 5th and still 5th. Are you okay?***
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Feb 23, 2025, 11:57 AM
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Im usually the one everyone cant stand post.
I call it like i see it.
I dont see the ACC as being that bad. Its not good either.
But i would say the top 5-6 teams compete against the top 5-6 team in any other league outside of the SEC (historic season).
Thats all we are really talking about here.
And thats fine if you want to say the ACC in basketball is 5th this season. The NCAA projections are acting like the conference is 10th
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Re: Is the ACC really that bad in basketball this season?
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Feb 23, 2025, 12:07 PM
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No it's not as bad as it's portrayed. Imo, people confuse being good vs bad. I prefer saying the sec is deeper than the acc. Where sec and b1g may be deeper, the top 3 or 4 are probably equal. Just like the top 2 teams in the wcc.
But head to head, I'll take our 3 Duke Lou and us up against aubbie fla and Bama. Likewise the tops (whoever they are) in the b1g. Again, imo if we played each other, I like our chances. So, looking thru those lenses, Clemson and Louisville should be ranked higher. That, as others have said, will be proven in the tournament. Therein lies the flaw with the net ranking.
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Yes extremely poor results out of conference.
Feb 23, 2025, 12:58 PM
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It is what the wins and losses say it is … bad.
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9 of 18 ACC teams have overall losing records
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Feb 23, 2025, 1:17 PM
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Thats terrible any way you cut it.
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Paw Warrior [4706]
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Re: Is the ACC really that bad in basketball this season?
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Feb 23, 2025, 1:30 PM
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UNC alum here. In my opinion the ACC only has 3 good teams. Dook ( can I throw up now?) , Clemson and Louisville. There’s a few mediocre teams after that and the rest are just awful. That should not be a reflection on Clemson’s record because the Tigers are legit without question.
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CU Medallion [20113]
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More of the ACC may be down this season than historically but
Feb 23, 2025, 2:31 PM
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like any conference any year excellent teams are going to thrive regardless. The SEC has more upper programs this year than others but they've been exposed in the NCAAT often enough to where limited OOC opportunities early season carry unwarranted weight.
Regardless of how good a conference is from top to bottom, in any sport really, if you are taking care of business versus your schedule and you're at the top - it's impressive.
I've never been okay with teams with losing conference records being allowed into the NCAAT unless snagging an auto. It's a fairer way of erring on the right side of the apples to oranges debate when comparing overall records and SOS and such from different conference teams. It would be better for the tournament overall if they instituted that.
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Orange Blooded [2402]
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Re: Is the ACC really that bad in basketball this season?
Feb 23, 2025, 3:37 PM
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We, me included, always over analyze sports.
Saying the ACC is “average or good” vs “above average” is certainly the better take. All power conferences have averages of about 9.8 SRS since the 2000 season. The ACC’s present SRS is about 10.4, so slightly above the 20 year average, but not by much.
The conference has been declining in SRS since 2017, this has been mainly due to several teams being lackluster in performance. Wake Forest, Boston College, Pittsburgh and Georgia Tech have been the lowest in SRS since 2017.
Since 2022, Boston College, Georgia Tech, Louisville and FSU have been the low performers.
Of these teams and periods, Georgia Tech and Boston College are the ones with the most futility. Louisville is on the up and up. Wake Forest and Pittsburgh are just keeping their head above water. FSU will be getting a new coach, so that could help.
Unfortunately the problems do not lie with just these teams alone. UNC was the preseason number one team in the nation and has failed to meet those expectations. They still have a very respectable SRS, but UNC fans expect more. Especially with the talent that came with their high priced players. The preseason expectations should have them closer to a 25 or higher SRS, but they are currently below 16.
If the ACC wants to be a premier basketball conference, they need to add teams that are worth something, or boot the ones that aren't. Or if we, as Clemson, want to live off our conference’s reputation, we should find another conference. No issue with that on my end.
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Re: Is the ACC really that bad in basketball this season?
Feb 23, 2025, 4:05 PM
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They said that last year and look how well the ACC did in the post season. 4 of 16 teams in the sweet 16 were ACC with only 5 teams making the dance.
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Orange Blooded [2402]
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Re: Is the ACC really that bad in basketball this season?
Feb 23, 2025, 4:22 PM
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Yeah, but did UVA really get in. Lost the play in game. Thought we couldn’t count those unless you won it.
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