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Oculus Spirit [41503]
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Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
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Mar 17, 2025, 8:07 AM
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Getting in than a UNc team getting in? I don’t mean here. But why don’t more conferences care about that. I’ve said this for years in football but it’s a self fulfilling prophecy. You put 12 teams let’s say of sec in the top 25, then you have to hear each week that you have a number 2 team and a number 8 team, or this team beat 5 top 25 teams, etc. if they are artificially inflated from the start, again self-fulfilling prophecy. Guess the only way to shut them up is to beat them. Although it will be forgotten in a year. Other than Clemson at the beginning of the year (but we did also lose to that powerhouse of sec basketball, usc), acc teams also should have taken care of business in the acc sec matchups. Just idiotic to think that 14/16 teams are ncaat quality.
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
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Mar 17, 2025, 8:19 AM
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Time will tell the next couple of weeks, but if you ever watched a game with Texas playing, it would be really hard to say they are not one of the best 68 teams in the country. I think you could certainly the same for SMU and a few more teams but automatic bids take up so spots that are not many at large spots available.
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Game Changer [1620]
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There are 31 auto bids to the NCAA tourney
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Mar 17, 2025, 12:39 PM
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So Texas would have to be one of the top 35-50 teams in the country in order to get in the tournament without an automatic bid. Does this resume scream that?
- 33% in conference win percentage
- Two narrow wins over the 14th and 17th place ACC teams
- Losses to 8 seed UCONN and sitting at home tOSU
- wins against absolutely no one else with a pulse
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
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Mar 17, 2025, 8:26 AM
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I was listening to an "expert" last week on the radio. The polls mean nothing. Your conference record means nothing. How you finish down the stretch means nothing. It is all about NET. The NET does not care about polls. It is based upon your metrics, the metrics of the teams you play, who they play, etc. Supposedly.
I don't think Texas should have gotten in but it is hard to argue with the other 13. All of them won at least 20 games. Back in the day when the ACC was the strongest conference, any team that won 20 games expected to get in the NCAAT. It is the same for the SEC now.
I also don't think UNC should have gotten in. 1 - 12 against quad 1 teams is pathetic. WVU and others seemed to have done far better. Which sort of indicates that maybe it isn't all about NET.
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
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Mar 17, 2025, 8:29 AM
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But they have always had a winning record in their conference as well.
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
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Mar 17, 2025, 8:27 AM
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Winning and losing obviously doesn’t matter anymore.
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
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Mar 17, 2025, 8:38 AM
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Gee, the ACC is so weak several little bitty conferences are shaming you. Mountain West has the same amount of teams, the Big East has more teams as does the Big 12 and Big 10.
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Oculus Spirit [41503]
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OK idiot, team wins 6 in your conference, yeah put them in. Makes sense.***
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Mar 17, 2025, 9:15 AM
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And just so I can refer to you more appropriately, do you prefer being referred to as Alabama's ##### in football or Florida's ##### in basketball?
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Re: OK idiot, team wins 6 in your conference, yeah put them in. Makes sense.***
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Mar 17, 2025, 10:03 AM
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Used to be Florida’s b##### in football for many years. I have enjoyed several trips to Knoxville to witness the Gators victorious.
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Re: A better argument would be to take a few of those bubble teams
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Mar 17, 2025, 8:47 AM
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and compare them to other bubble teams and prove the point of 14 SEC making it wrong. At the end of the day, the last 8 teams in arent a whole lot different then the next 8 not making it. You have to use some sort of metric and and that's why they created the NET and use other efficeincy ratings so that a teams true value is recorded when you play a team...not just the #15 team bc a bunch of AP writers say so. Its not perfect, but its much better than just saying how you feel based on biases.
The SEC had one of, if not the best ever, out of conference records and it wasn't close. That helped more than anything. The ACC, I think, gets a bit of a raw deal but we are doing it to ourselves. You have to win OOC games and the metric nerds have said the 20 game conference schedule hurts the ACC. When you play poorly in the OOC, all of the NET rankings are down and then you end up playing games in conference that do nothing for you.
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
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Mar 17, 2025, 9:15 AM
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They have a good conference.
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
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Mar 17, 2025, 9:21 AM
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Good conference or not, 14/16 teams with several under .500 conference means they should be at home.
6-12 in conference, seriously??
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
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Mar 17, 2025, 9:40 AM
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Yeah...I call BS, but it's not that big of a deal. We need to stop complaining about the SEC all of the time.
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Oculus Spirit [41503]
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It's not about how good or bad they are. Its about how they are in bed with big
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Mar 17, 2025, 10:00 AM
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media. I don't understand how any conference outside of the BIG and SEC tolerate this. It's anticompetitive. No other sports entity would allow this. But then the NCAA is worthless and this is now just a big business that the BIG and SEC are dominating. It's not about how good or how bad they are.
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Re: It's not about how good or bad they are. Its about how they are in bed with big
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Mar 17, 2025, 10:29 AM
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They might be ín bed with the media or they might not be. Either way they have the best conference. There is the SEC and the Big 10 and the rest are junk. No reason to complain unless it's about the ACC.
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it's the result of ESPN's partnership with them
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Mar 17, 2025, 9:18 AM
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the delusional bullcrap they post about the SEC is getting old.
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Rival Killer [2682]
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Net is deeply flawed
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Mar 17, 2025, 9:33 AM
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It overweights early season games. There is more randomness at work in those games that happen before teams have played a lot, and the sec benefited from it.
Is the top of the league really good? Sure, auburn, florida, bama and tennessee are good. But is the middle/bottom half really better than the top half of other power conferences? Ole miss? Georgia? They’re a lot better than unc? No. Holding up the net as some kind of perfect metric is idiotic.
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I mean, where is it going to come from, ESECPN???***
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Mar 17, 2025, 10:09 AM
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Rival Killer [2841]
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
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Mar 17, 2025, 10:41 AM
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From what I saw, the SEC deserves 14 teams in the tournament. They kicked the ever-loving crap out of the ACC in the challenge, and even though we beat UK in that event, we went out and lost to SCar early in the season. I don't think the Gamecocks are a terrible team - I think they ran into a buzzsaw when they started playing SEC teams. Not sure how else you can look at it really. SEC schools have invested in their basketball programs.
I'm not saying that every one of the SEC teams is head and shoulders better than Clemson, Louisville, or Duke; I think all 3 of these ACC teams match up well with the majority of the NCAA field. But outside of those 3 ACC teams, UNC included, there weren't any other teams that were anywhere near the level of the SEC.
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
Mar 17, 2025, 12:33 PM
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Think the fact that Clemson beat Kentucky and also lost to SCar just illustrates the element of randomness that is always present in college basketball and even more present in the early portion of the season. Yeah, the ACC/SEC challenge results are compelling on their face, but net rankings, the media, and the fans all place too much importance on this relatively small sample of games.
I can get on board with the ACC being down this year and the SEC being better, but I'm not buying that teams like UNC, SMU, Wake, Stanford, GT, FSU "aren't anywhere near the level of the SEC."
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
Mar 17, 2025, 2:12 PM
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I dunno but...
Wake Forest 44, Texas A&M 57
Alabama 94, North Carolina 79
Georgia Tech 61, Oklahoma 76
Florida State 75, LSU 85
All double-digit losses. SMU and Stanford didn't play in the challenge.
I know it's a single game in all these cases, but the results are pretty stark. I don't take any joy in them.
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having a diverse a field
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with upsets from higher seeds is what always made the tourney special and exciting, Americans like to pull for the underdog.. I mean think Gonzago, they were a Cinderalla team that got a ton a publicity for making it the elite 8 in the nineties, then had a great run and it elevated the program, making them a national brand. Why do we even have an NCAA anymore, what do they do, parity is not it. The leagues with the largest TV contract under NIL will rise to the top, and pretty soon it will be the same handful of teams spanking everyone else, just like football, and just like our economy in general.
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
Mar 17, 2025, 12:45 PM
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hate to say it but SEC deserves that many teams. that conference this year is insanely good and probably the best single season conference ever
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
Mar 17, 2025, 1:07 PM
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That's only true if you believe it is true. There is nothing objective saying that a team that won 33% of their conference games belongs in the tournament. You have to already believe that it's only because everyone else is so good and this "buzz saw" that they have to go through. ou have to believe that NET is all knowing. No way someone with 33% win percentage in their conference deserves to be in a tournament.
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
Mar 17, 2025, 12:48 PM
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Propaganda exhaustion.
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
Mar 17, 2025, 1:21 PM
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The SEC is the best conference. They are also overrated. Both can be true. They are not 14 teams in good. It isn't about how good the teams are. It's about ratings amd exposure. When almost a quarter of the tournament teams are SEC think of the money coming in. And statistically more teams will advance further. Thats what its about. They are trying to suck all of the air out of the room. They also argued about reconfiguring football playoffs. Guess what, it's gonna happen in baseball too this year.
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This is an ESPN production...They own the League, they employ the most talking
Mar 17, 2025, 1:51 PM
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heads on TV....So they promote their product...This is exactly what they want to do to the CFP....They want the records thrown out...It's who you played, not how you did...It's a complete mockery
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Re: Why does there not seem to be more outrage about 14 SEC teams
Mar 17, 2025, 1:56 PM
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Who is the mouthpiece for the outrage? E$PN? Who owes the SEC a pile of money. So corrupt its unbelievable.
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