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Re: Well this is interesting insight
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Jan 5, 2025, 10:56 PM
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Yeah, I read that on their site earlier and thought it was interesting. But it makes sense, especially with an analyst's point of view.
Guess he changed that at uga too. But then made no adjustments. Still boggles my mind that we'd play a soft zone against uga. Sure, it broke our tendency but beck and oc figured it out quick.
Last year at 4-4 we realized the oline couldn't zone block and simplified the scheme and turned it around. Wes never seemed to be able to make those adjustments. We've recruited well star ratings wise but our overall D speed has been pathetic... we were good north to south, but anything east to west, we couldn't handle.
But I got it handed to me when I was still tough on the team after our 6 wins. Idk, maybe playing soft teams and getting blowouts does that to you. Just glad he's gone.
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Re: Well this is interesting insight
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Jan 6, 2025, 3:55 AM
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I guess that it's OK for T-Netters to express their concerns about Goodwin as our DC now after actually seeing his experience at work. I also clearly remember how upset the biggest portion of T-Netters would get when I talked about Dabo making a terrible decision by appointing Wes Goodwin as our DC bc he less on the field coaching experience than any coach on his staff. I can't count the ill replies that I received bc of the statement that I made about Goodwin having absolutely no experience as an actual coach especial as a DC coach.
I guess to make sure that I got the message about how wrong I was about Goodwin, several Netters sent me T-mails telling me how wrong I was about Goodwin and Streeter. I'm not going to send anybody any I told you so T-mails, I'm just really glad that those mistakes are being corrected without it taking 5-6 years for it to happen.
I have learned over my lifetime of 72 years that anything that's worth doing, it's always good to have some experience to ensure your success, and if you don't have it, you'll be better off to hire someone with experience. It works the same with about everything you want to do or want done. But when it comes down to things that you're paying big money for like college FB coaches, you should double down with the amount of experience they have to get the job done at a very high level!!!
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Re: Well this is interesting insight
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Jan 6, 2025, 5:24 AM
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Except that Dabo Swinney himself invalidates your core premise. I imagine you were indignant at his hiring as well. Predicting failure of a coach at any level is the safer bet. It doesn’t make you come across as more enlightened.
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Re: Well this is interesting insight
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Jan 6, 2025, 8:54 AM
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Not taking in sides at all in a should have/should not have debate because when Wes was promoted I thought, "If Dabo put him in that position, he has his reasons." But just talking football:
Wes's promotion differed quite a bit from Dabo's. Even before Clemson, his history was one of producing on field success, from making a team he had no business making, to doing well in on-field coaching. Terry Don Phillips said he said he would attend practices because he played in college himself, and immediately saw that Dabo was the best coach on the field, and Phillips explained in detail why. He noticed that during off times the coaches would be in their offices working alone, and Dabo's office would be filled with players. To Phillips, there was no risk in giving the HC job to Dabo. He knew.
With Wes, it seems he got the job because he was really smart, while never having been responsible for the performance of any position group. I will admit that at the time I figured, "Dabo has shown that he knows what he's doing." Looking back, it seems much too risky, making a bet Wes could do something he had never done before.
Anyway, I can't take a side in this. But the promotions of Dabo and Wes seem very different.
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Re: Well this is interesting insight
Jan 6, 2025, 1:13 PM
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The hindsight romanticizing of TDP knowing Swinney was the guy is pure hogwash. He was meant to be a placeholder which is precisely why they didn’t go with a coordinator. Swinney won enough that it enabled them to go on the cheap to forestall hiring a more expensive coach after the debacle of Bowden’s extension. The very fact that they gave such an extension to Bowden undermines the idea that he knew he had some diamond in the rough ready to go.
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comparing Wes to Dabo is quite the stretch
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And Dabo at least had a few games as a HC before getting the full-time job.
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Re: comparing Wes to Dabo is quite the stretch
Jan 6, 2025, 1:10 PM
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Dabo went from position coach to head coach. That is far more of a stretch than Defensive Assistant to Coordinator. Arguing otherwise is using the outcomes to taint the interpretation. Further Dabo built a system that he hoped to allow for continuity to maintain success. It wasn’t just knee jerk nepotism or charitably giving unqualified guys “a shot”. It didn’t work. But it doesn’t mean the second guessers had any deeper insights. The fact is it only didn’t work by the ludicrously high standard he had set. The last 4 years would be somewhere around the 2nd or 3rd best 4 year period in Clemson history minus other Dabo seasons depending how you want to score 87-90 and 81-84.
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Re: Well this is interesting insight
Jan 6, 2025, 1:27 PM
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Most decisions are made following the odds after a risk assessment and not the extremes or the long shot. What you say is true about Dabo being the one who defied those odds, but for every one of Dabo, there are 100 others with similar experience who do not live up to the hype.
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Jan 6, 2025, 5:59 AM
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Coaches fail far more than the succeed. Predicting a coach will not be successful at any given stop is always the safe bet.
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Jan 6, 2025, 6:39 AM
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Knows how to run the team better than Dabo.
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Careful buddy, dont pat yourself on the back too hard.
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Jan 6, 2025, 7:54 AM
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At your age, you may accidentally pull something.
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We certainly did not seem to make very good adjustments a lot of the time.
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Whatever started out working against us would seem to keep working most of the time. And that is a bad, bad thing.
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