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Ring of Honor [21525]
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So the portal is now closed until April
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and honestly, we weathered it about as well as anyone out there this go through. Our NIL game to retain players continues to be as good if not better than anyone's. In spite of the online hand wringing, all of our top guys, and recent top recruits who didn't receive much PT, will be here this spring. Sure can't say the same for many schools, and several of them I've seen content from are in panic mode.
Several things to take note of.
The settlement case is due to be heard April 7, and the spring portal opens a week later. This will have a major impact, as if it's not approved, the rev share does not go into effect. This will effect almost all deals signed this window, and we could see much of it fall apart. I think it's approved, but there will be court challenges either way.
We'll see a few more guys on our end enter the spring portal. We have some depth guys who should graduate this semester. I personally believe Dabo already knows who is considering this, but has stressed to them the value of their degree consistent with the well established program values.
This spring we'll be evaluating several positions for possible spring portal additions. As of now, we have no room. But also consistent with our program values, we'll want to give our guys first crack to show they can earn the job. If/when depth enters the spring portal, or a clear need is established this spring, we'll bring in a few more guys.
Finally in the same vein, our HS recruiting will be tweaked. The mass decommitments this past year I believe opened our eyes. It's something we've never dealt with before. But it's pretty clear we'll need more money available on that end, just the reality now. I still believe we'll be very selective. The lack of the many 4 and even 5 star past recruits who did not play alot we lost this cycle shows we've recruited guys who want to be here for more than just money. The players we retained shows them they will be rewarded for performance. We may still lose some this spring, but overall it shows we've recruited the right type players. We'll continue with that, but make the necessary adjustments.
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Rival Killer [2886]
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Players can go in the portal at any time.
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Dec 29, 2024, 8:41 AM
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They just can't get picked up by another school until the April window opens.
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Ring of Honor [21781]
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Re: Players can go in the portal at any time.
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Dec 29, 2024, 8:45 AM
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Which is dumb schools should be able to sign whenever they want to
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Rival Killer [2886]
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They can't as long as the athletes still have to be students.
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Dec 29, 2024, 8:52 AM
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The primary reason for the April portal window is so that football athletes that play in bowls, playoffs, and all star games can still transfer in time for spring practice.
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Ring of Honor [21781]
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Re: They can't as long as the athletes still have to be students.
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Dec 29, 2024, 9:21 AM
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They’re not students they’re employees so let’s quit the charade. Coaches and universities being handcuff while the “employees” can do whatever they want is idiotic.
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Ring of Honor [21781]
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Game Day Hero [4156]
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Re: They can't as long as the athletes still have to be students.
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Dec 29, 2024, 11:42 AM
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You are so incorrect on that. The April window happens during or after Spring practice for most schools. You cannot practice with a team unless you are a student at the school. In order for that player to be a student they would have had to enroll in January.
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Head Coach [965]
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Clemson Conqueror [11173]
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Re: Players can go in the portal at any time.
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Dec 29, 2024, 8:58 AM
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This is not true, only Graduate athletes can transfer at any time and student athletes have to wait for designated windows.
From NCAA:
If a student-athlete requests to be entered into the NCAA Transfer Portal outside of their sport’s window of time, they will need to wait until it opens later in the year. Graduate Transfers may enter the NCAA Transfer Portal at any time.
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Rival Killer [2886]
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They can leave their current team at any time.
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Dec 29, 2024, 9:36 AM
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It has the same effect for the team they leave.
They still lose the guy.
Opt outs or simply leave school. The portal effect is when they can get picked up by another team, nit for when they leave.
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Legend [6886]
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Re: They can leave their current team at any time.
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Dec 29, 2024, 10:03 AM
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Wrong
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Paw Master [17280]
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no, he's right...You can opt out at any time***
Dec 29, 2024, 9:03 PM
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All-In [10589]
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Re: no, he's right...You can opt out at any time***
Dec 29, 2024, 9:21 PM
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The player can opt out of practice for his current school while he awaits the window for enrolling at the next school. Indeed, the player could drop out of school; if done before the ‘classes may be dropped without academic penalty’ period expires. However, if the student athlete drops all classes, then he may lose his right to remain in university housing and eat university provided food. If the player doesn’t drop the classes, but opts to flunk them all by not dropping them, then his eligibility to enroll at his ‘portal destination school’ may not be able to admit the student.
Having specific windows for when portal players can be signed helps to synchronize the academic admissibility standards with the athletic department team / player activity schedules.
(*). I don’t know any specifics of why / why not there are portal windows in place. I’m theorizing why these portal windows have been established. It cannot be simply for the convenience of the schools; otherwise the ‘portal rules’ might run afoul of the rights of students to change colleges at whatever time can be coordinated between the portal student athlete and the admissions department of the destination school -and- the window of time that the destination school’s athletic department deems as suitable.
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Legend [6886]
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Re: no, he's right...You can opt out at any time***
Dec 29, 2024, 10:08 PM
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No, he’s not right. He said you can enter the portal at anytime. That is false. Now he’s changing his statement.
He’s also wrong about when you can sign from the portal. Schools can do that anytime, not just during open windows. It doesn’t mean the player enrolls immediately…just like recruiting high schoolers.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99376]
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I hate to agree with that coot you're arguing with but she's right.
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Dec 29, 2024, 11:35 AM
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If a player is willing to accept tampering offers he can decommit in practice without decommitting on paper.
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Ring of Honor [21525]
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Wrong
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Dec 29, 2024, 9:01 AM
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Deadline to enter was last night unless they are within the 5 day window after their last game. Players entering along those guidelines can sign elsewhere at any time
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Clemson Conqueror [11173]
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Re: Wrong
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Dec 29, 2024, 9:03 AM
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Exactly, also see above.
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Associate AD [1045]
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Re: Wrong
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Dec 29, 2024, 9:33 AM
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It is my understanding that last night was the deadline to declare. There is up to a 48 hour timeframe to process this and have it actually appear in the portal. This can allow for some announcements to actually happen on Monday.
There is also an extended timeframe for those playing in bowl games.
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National Champion [8017]
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yeah - I think you are correct. I think the notification to compliance had to
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Dec 29, 2024, 11:38 AM
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occur by midnight last night. Compliance has 48 hours to get those into the system after notification so I think there is still a possibility that someone else has entered. We shall know by Tues a.m. at the latest.
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Paw Master [17280]
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You can't "enter the portal", but you can ABSOLUTELY decide that you are
Dec 29, 2024, 9:05 PM
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transferring and opt out at any time...Like KB2 did before our 5th game
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110%er [4003]
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Re: Players can go in the portal at any time.
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Dec 29, 2024, 9:30 AM
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Canard
Players can announce their intentions at anytime but the actual portal opens and closes at certain times. Players cannot go in the portal unless it is open
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Rival Killer [2886]
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Same effect despite your your pedantry***
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Dec 29, 2024, 9:34 AM
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They can still leave their current team at any time.
That has the same effect as a portal loss to the re that loses the athlete.
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Dynasty Maker [3203]
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Re: Same effect despite your your pedantry***
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Dec 29, 2024, 9:46 AM
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But you clearly stated that “players can go in the portal at any time” clearly that was wrong. Unfortunately you do not have the self awareness to ever admit when you are wrong. You simply shift the verbiage to try and make yourself seem right. You should learn some humility. It will do you well in life.
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110%er [4003]
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Re: Same effect despite your your pedantry***
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Dec 29, 2024, 9:47 AM
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You stated they can enter the portal at any time. Changing it now is irrelevant. That was an untrue statement. The end
Now whether it was an uneducated one is the only thing left up for debate
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Re: Same effect despite your your pedantry***
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Dec 29, 2024, 10:01 AM
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He’s going back now to reread his earlier statements.
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Ring of Honor [23136]
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Re: Players can go in the portal at any time.
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Dec 29, 2024, 10:01 AM
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They just can't get picked up by another school until the April window opens.
This is not true at all. It’s completely backwards.
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CU Medallion [19150]
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You mean to say that players can quit a team anytime, which they are
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Dec 29, 2024, 10:02 AM
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always free to do. They cannot enter the portal until a window opens, which doesn't occur again until April for our Tigers unless Dabo were to leave the program, which would trigger another window just for us.
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Game Day Hero [4156]
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Re: Players can go in the portal at any time.
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Dec 29, 2024, 11:35 AM
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Thought it was opposite. Players can only enter during the period but can be recruited from the portal at any time once they have entered? Example, players had til midnight Dec 28 to enter, next window is sometime in April or May. Exception is players still playing in the post season, they have 5 days after last game, however schools can sign anyone in the portal at anytime
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Re: Players can go in the portal at any time.
Dec 29, 2024, 8:28 PM
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This is absolutely not true. Only grad students go in whenever. Entering the portal is closed for this window except that it can take a bit for paperwork to be finished.
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Re: Players can go in the portal at any time.
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They just can't get picked up by another school until the April window opens.
Wrong. Players must and can only enter the portal during the 2 portal openings, December and April. Players can transfer to schools outside of the portal windows as long as they entered the portal during the set openings.
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Clemson Conqueror [11545]
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I'm not convinced this rev share thing will tip the scales either way.....
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Dec 29, 2024, 9:19 AM
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it'll be a "handout" to all schools that will inflate the NIL price tag even more than they already are. Most of the "football first" schools will allocate the same/similar ratio as each other, therefore not creating any further advantage or disadvantage amongst those that strive to win a national title.
-Not sure why it took the mass de-commitments to "open our eyes"..........the fact that our eyes haven't been open the last 4 years have put us in the "reactionary" position of dealing with the new era that we're in right now. You say "it's something we've never dealt with".........that's the case with ALL SCHOOLS so we haven't been deprived of some secret information from that sense.
-Define "the right players".?.....I think it's naïve to think that we've retained all these "core" players because they just WANT TO BE AT CLEMSON w/ no regards to money. Let's not kid ourselves into thinking there were no "renegotiating" amongst our players........meaning they are here for money and that money DOES mean something to them.
I feel as though Dabo is very very slowly coming around to this new world (much slower than he should be), so hopefully he'll grab a few more key portal guys to fill some gaps and we'll be on the road to recovery to ELITE..............that's the hope, but I have to see it first. Our on field performance the last 4 years have been EXTREMELY sub-par when you look at our record vs teams w/ a pulse and even worse in the OOC. That fall was preventable, but stubbornness accelerated the downfall.
here's to Dabo FINALLY coming around........time will tell.
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Ring of Honor [21525]
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We've never lost recruits as we did this last cycle
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Dec 29, 2024, 9:39 AM
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So yes, that's going to open eyes.
I'm not talking about losing core guys, we've always retained them. But we retained many highly rated recruits who played little this year. Many schools cannot say that. You know full well guys like Parker, Woods, Wesco, Moore etc. could have received higher dollars elsewhere when they signed with us. Those chose us for more than money.
I agree the rev share isn't a game changer, but will help in adding more money to the overall pot.
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Clemson Conqueror [11545]
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we've lost out on TALENT on the recruiting trail compared to our elite years....
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Dec 29, 2024, 9:43 AM
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that's what I was referring to. We took a dip in talent b/c of the lack of adapting Dabo did. Now.......he seems to be slowly coming around, time will tell.
Parker, Woods, etc... may have come here for more than money, but I said let's not kid ourselves into thinking they didn't renegotiate to STAY AT CLEMSON.
using NIL to RETAIN AND OBTAIN Top talent will be key for Dabo to get us back to elite.
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Re: we've lost out on TALENT on the recruiting trail compared to our elite years....
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Yea retention of the top guys seems to be priority 1, and I’m good with that. Also impressed with Clemson’s numbers in comparison to other schools in player retention.
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Clemson fans who are Portal Panickers reliably fail to look at big picture
Dec 29, 2024, 9:49 PM
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- - - in that the Portal Superstar teams are already being exposed for wild inconsistency in their W - L records, despite the very short time for when huge roster makeovers have become possible because of the portal.
FSU is the poster child of a portal superstar program in 2023 that was predicted by the ‘experts’ to, at a minimum.compete for ACC Championship.
Michigan has also surprised the CFB world in 2024 (the season immediately following 2023 season’s National Championship season. Michigan won 7 games this year; only their upset of OH State allowed MI to brag that they beat one (1) team in the Top 25. No one predicted this kind of inconsistency from MI since they were (and still are) highly successful in acquiring many players via the portal.
Attentive fans of building FB rosters via the portal are finally starting to figure out that the portal is not some panacea fantasy.
Clemson, on the other hand, has for several years (I specifically remember prior to the 2021 season) committed to highly selective use of the portal to fill gaping holes … but only considering high quality young men who also have the skills to be impact players. Our fans beeching and beech that Dabo has stubbornly refused to use the portal. Nothing could be more ignorant. Dabo is simply committed to using it when and where it makes sense. Clemson doesn’t always get our portal target players to sign, just as we don’t always get our HS recruits to sign.
Despite all of the complaining, Clemson has had only one ‘disasterous’ season of less than 10 wins since 2011. That, ladies and gentlemen, is what is called consistent excellence.
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Re: So the portal is now closed until April
Dec 29, 2024, 9:26 AM
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It’s my understanding the NIL money is there to retain current players and the revenue sharing will go towards recruiting. I’m not sure on that but that’s what I was told.
I do know for a fact that at least 80% of the 21.5 million in revenue sharing will go towards football.
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Re: So the portal is now closed until April
Dec 29, 2024, 9:26 AM
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It’s my understanding the NIL money is there to retain current players and the revenue sharing will go towards recruiting. I’m not sure on that but that’s what I was told.
I do know for a fact that at least 80% of the 21.5 million in revenue sharing will go towards football.
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Clemson Conqueror [11545]
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think it'll be way more than 80%.....
Dec 29, 2024, 9:33 AM
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based on what I've read and heard.................as it should be.
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85 % to FB, 10% to basketb, and 5% to remaining teams..
Dec 29, 2024, 1:12 PM
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is what i think i read one time...
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Re: So the portal is now closed until April
Dec 29, 2024, 10:04 AM
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Thanks. Enjoy your posts. I really like the strategy of retaining your own first. And good to hear that we may be adjusting our stance on HS NIL since those are the guys we need to retain and we def need to pick HS recruiting back up. It seems to me there is too much emphasis on the current scholarship number, but I know that’s important to Dabo. It seems to me, like with Heldt, if you can improve do it and the attrition will happen naturally. Love Cade, let’s make it official and then really excited for next year. Might have to find a way to LSU game.
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Re: So the portal is now closed until April
Dec 29, 2024, 10:17 AM
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Good take Striper. It is amazing in just one post how many fake, false or just off the wall replies are tagged on. The number of uneducated, and follow the off track crowd people, just never ceases to amaze me. I respect opinions, so I guess that is what a message board is about. Just laugh with those of us who actually take time to try to look for the truth and have a Happy New Year.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99376]
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Clemson/Dabo is walking a tight rope.
Dec 29, 2024, 11:32 AM
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I think/hope the rev sharing might be the balancing pole we need to tread this tiny cable.
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