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Clemson Conqueror [11406]
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Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:45 PM
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If Clemson doesn't get innovative with NIL, and fast, it's going to lose an "attrition warfare" game. Little ole Clemson isn't anywhere in the neighborhood of being able to compete with that through the current NIL strategy. It'll be like the colonies trying to fight the British in the same column formations during the Revolutionary War - we just don't have the numbers to compete straight up! Guerilla Warfare or bust!
https://x.com/JacobTilley0/status/1860370292159205378?t=FH-vDnxaecztpDWmNflUKA&s=19
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:48 PM
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They are not going to sit around quietly and watch Ohio State’s 25 million dollar roster win the national championship this year.
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Clemson Conqueror [11406]
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:49 PM
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College football is about to become Major League Baseball with unlimited salary caps and pooling of talent to the big budget teams.
We're all witnessing the destruction of the sport.
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Legend [6779]
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
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Jan 2, 2025, 2:13 PM
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Exactly. And just like baseball where a shortstop hitting .220 with 6 homers and 28 RBIs gets offered $25M a year you will see inflation of position valuations for kids who have proven nothing on the field. Human beings with large amounts of money can be really, really dumb.
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:50 PM
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We will never be able to compete with that while stuck in acc. Donors and businesses are not going to spend big bucks on acc exposure.
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Dynasty Maker [3495]
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Everyone gets $20M in revenue sharing and it doesnt matter
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Jan 2, 2025, 7:38 PM
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what conference you’re in, it doesn’t add to NIL. TV money cannot be used by the school towards NIL.
On the positive side, we’re committing 100% of revenue sharing to football. I don’t know how much we get for NIL, but we don’t seem to have any trouble retaining players.
I’m sure we do just fine with NIL, but regardless our philosophy will remain to recruit, develop, and retain, while using the portal for absolute needs.
We haven’t lost any games because we don’t utilize the portal more. We have dudes on both sides of the ball who can win at the highest level - DC help on the way.
Plus, we’ve lost only one starter, ever, to the portal. We retain as well as or better than anyone. Nothing wrong with that.
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Rock Defender [58]
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Re: Everyone gets $20M in revenue sharing and it doesnt matter
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Jan 3, 2025, 10:14 AM
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Issue is Clemson isn’t offering what the top 5-10 schools are paying to attract 5 star recruits, which is why you saw a lot of commits flip this past fall. As This pay discrepancy increases with current players, you will see more guys leaving after 1-2 years. If they really want to be a top 5 program, they have to almost double their current pay structure. Lets face it, they got lucky to get into conference championship but max that opportunity. I have a very good friend that was on the podium last night at the sugar bowl that works at ND and If you want to copy a NIL program, it’s ND. They have a similar philosophy as Clemson claims to have in terms of recruiting and developing players, their pay scale is around 25% higher for most starters with 2-3 years of experience, but they will selectively use the portal at the skill positions, quarterback, receivers, running back and even cornerbacks. They don’t have to be the highest bidder as players know the value of playing for ND. Their alumni have deeper pockets than any other top school and could easily be the NY Yankees of college football. But as my ND friend said, “Throwing ridiculous amounts of money to build a team rarely works in professional sports but selectively adding the missing pieces through free agency (or in our example The transfer portal )is what will keep ND at the top of college football without hurting the overall brand ND has built over the years” he also thinks a salary type cap is coming sooner then later. This would really help schools like Clemson.
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Campus Hero [13989]
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hard to innovate around coming up short on funds, money is money***
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:51 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11406]
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Re: hard to innovate around coming up short on funds, money is money***
Jan 2, 2025, 2:42 PM
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Sources change.
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Orange Phenom [14535]
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
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Jan 2, 2025, 1:51 PM
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Sounds about right.
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
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Jan 2, 2025, 2:05 PM
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Who says it’s going to work for them??
Watch it crumble.
Remember just a couple years ago when Texas A&M was supposed to the envy of everyone?
Yeah…how’s that going?
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Solid Orange [1319]
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
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Jan 2, 2025, 2:07 PM
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Clemson is different and has to be different.
It's a good thing we found a coach that made Clemson stand out and rise to the top in a different way when the money was all under the table.
I trust he will be the one to get us back there now that the money is on the table.
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
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Jan 2, 2025, 2:34 PM
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I didn’t say everything was exactly the same.
I was referring to everybody freaking out and wishing they could do things just like A&M.
That part is the same.
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Orange Phenom [14752]
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Maybe... Maybe not. Depends on that House settlement where the revenue sharing
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Jan 2, 2025, 2:08 PM
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will be capped and NIL will revert back to it's originally intended purpose - NIL payment for actual advertising/sales. Currently the House settlement will have NIL regulated by a 3rd party clearing house that has to approve any NIL deals over $600 where such deals have to meet fair market value standards. What that means is the real "pay for play" portion of college sports will be limited to the revenue sharing of the schools themselves (with a $21 Million cap) and essentially limits the NIL collectives from paying players untold $'s without it being legitimate NIL. IF this takes place and survives scrutiny - having an NIL piggy bank of $40 Million will not have near the sway it does now because of the newly in place House settlement NIL guard rails.
Furthermore - regardless of this House decision, I'm betting the Federal Government/Congress is going to eventually step in and put legislative guard rails on college sports (give the NCAA some anti-trust protections) and will probably use the pending House settlement as a foundation for such legislation. Too many Congressmen from too many States want to be able to compete in college sports instead of just letting the top ultra rich programs buy their teams without limits. In my opinion - it's not a matter of "if" but "when" Congress gets involved....
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All-American [573]
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Re: Maybe... Maybe not. Depends on that House settlement where the revenue sharing
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Jan 2, 2025, 2:18 PM
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Tabby - exactly. Not sure why I had to scroll so far down this thread to find this comment.
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Solid Orange [1389]
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Re: Maybe... Maybe not. Depends on that House settlement where the revenue sharing
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Jan 2, 2025, 2:35 PM
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I'll just say you shouldn't blindly believe what a reporter says a sealed settlement agreement has in it. They don't know, and you end up looking like an ### when you're wrong.
I guess you missed where he said maybe or maybe not which is clearly not blindly following anything.
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Orange Phenom [14752]
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True - the settlement still has some court processes it is working through.
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Jan 2, 2025, 2:40 PM
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BUT... having said that I do trust the Clemson AD has some accurate information and what I posted is in agreement with what the Clemson AD is predicting to come out of the House Settlement.
Time will tell and the NCAA is going to continue being taken to court regardless of the House Settlement. The difference will be that in the future the NCAA will have a Federal Court approved "settlement" that they have not had before to give them better legal standing against challenges but even that may not be enough. Thus the reason I believe Congress will eventually legislate college sports to give the NCAA (or whoever runs college sports in the future) some level of legal protections to set and enforce rules.
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Varsity [103]
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Congress may or may not do anything.
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Jan 2, 2025, 3:10 PM
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However, it's unlikely they will do anything that affects NIL because that's outside of the antitrust exe option that the NCAA is trying to get.
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Clemson Conqueror [11406]
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Re: Maybe... Maybe not. Depends on that House settlement where the revenue sharing
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Jan 2, 2025, 2:49 PM
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Maybe.... But you just posted a list of assumptions that big dollar schools aren't operating toward.
One thing the judge explicitly stated: "I will not sign off on anything that limits athlete's ability to earn NIL money"
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Orange Phenom [14752]
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And... there is absolutely nothing in the settlement that limits NIL - so long
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Jan 3, 2025, 8:38 AM
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it is REALLY NIL and not a de-facto salary to play football. What the NCAA is trying to do (and Judge Wilken has approved) is to keep NIL payment to actual NIL and not a pay for play scheme.
By the way you are quoting old news from Judge Wilken. Judge Wilken turned down the original settlement offered by the NCAA in September and stated her concerns over limiting NIL. However, when the parties came back with a revised settlement proposal in October - Judge Wilken agreed to the NIL third party clearing house for deals greater than $600 and fair market value.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/college/2024/10/07/ncaa-revenue-sharing-house-settlement-approved/75514164007/
"As it now stands, athletes would have to report payments of more than $600 to a clearinghouse that would be established. And their deals would be subject to review, with the goal being the prevention of pay for play and deals that pay amounts above market value."
So... if the NIL portion gets yanked - it won't be from the Judge Wilken's objections to the deal as she has already given her approval to the NIL stipulations in the proposal in October 24. The NIL guard rails may be stripped but it will be from further legal challenges which have yet to be adjudicated.
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Varsity [103]
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Re: The NIL clause in the House settlement is unlikely to survive
Jan 2, 2025, 3:13 PM
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Even if congress attempts to grant an extension of antitrust protection, won’t that decision itself be re-challenged?
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Varsity [103]
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Antitrust exemttions don't affect NIL at all.
Jan 3, 2025, 8:54 AM
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Example: the NFL has an ATE.
Patrick Mahomes' salary counts towards the Chiefs' salary cap.
His NIL endorsements for State Farm or whomever don't count toward the cap and the NFL has no say in any of it.
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Orange Phenom [14752]
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Yes.. State Farm is also paying him for bona fide TV advertising. They are NOT
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Jan 3, 2025, 9:06 AM
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paying Mahomes to sign a contract to play with the Kansas City Chiefs. Furthermore, State Farm is paying Mahomes a fair market value for his services - not some extraordinary amount for which they would not get a return on their business investment.
What do you think would happen if a Kansas City NIL Collective were created by the fans and did what the college NIL collectives are currently doing?? The NFL would find it to be a de-facto run around of the salary caps and would get shut down.
Once college athlete's are on salary - the current no limits NIL is going to eventually get it's wings clipped to actual market purposes. It may take us 5 years to get there but it will happen or collegiate sports will crumble under it's own corruption.
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Orange Phenom [14752]
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I'm just spit balling here but I imagine Judge Wilken is quite familiar with
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the previous NCAA judgements.
I guessing she knows more about those cases and the law than either of us and is constructing this settlement so it doesn't run afoul of previous judgements. New legal arguments can always be made on ANY judgment so we will see how this plays out.
However, the idea that NIL is some sacrosanct private matter legal unicorn that can never be legally defined or restricted and then adjudicated according to that legal definition is absolute bunk. It may take more than this legal settlement with Federal Legislation (which I believe will happen) but at some point this NIL free-for-all is going to be tamed to where it can't be used as a de-facto work around to violate future salary caps.
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Orange Beast [6571]
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
Jan 2, 2025, 2:11 PM
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It is Oregon and Michigan then everyone else. OSU needs to enjoy its run this season because there are two new sheriffs in town. The SEC is becoming an afterthought in College football prominence.
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Game Changer [1712]
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
Jan 2, 2025, 2:13 PM
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Why not 250 million per year?
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National Champion [7928]
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
Jan 2, 2025, 2:54 PM
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Michigan has several alumni that are multi-billionaires, including Larry Page (Google cofounder) and Stephan Ross (owner of the Miami Dolphins and real estate mogul).
We cannot compete with these pockets, and Ross especially has said he will give whatever is necessary. He could give $50 million a year from the spare change in his sofa.
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
Jan 3, 2025, 12:08 PM
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You are assuming all these billionaires care about football and also don't find it repulsive to pay millions to football players instead of gving ot charities. I have never heard about Larry Page profess his love of UM football even though he graduated from there.
What isn't being spoken about nearly enough by the MSM is how 80 year old Larry Ellison got involved in UM NIL because his 5th wife, who is 47 years younger than him and is younger than his own daughter, suddenly decided she as a UM alumna wanted to start buying players and he went along with it. Disgusting on many different levels.
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
Jan 2, 2025, 2:57 PM
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It is time for fans to step up and say enough is enough. stop backing and going to games
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Varsity [132]
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
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Why? Because players are being paid what their entertainment value is to the school?
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National Champion [7928]
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
Jan 2, 2025, 3:17 PM
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The entertainment value is not “to the school”, it’s to the fans. Without fans watching its college rugby without the blood.
And if it is dominated by a few big schools with deep pockets, fans will lose interest.
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Varsity [132]
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
Jan 2, 2025, 3:22 PM
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I agree with you that if fans gave up on the sport in terms of attendance and viewership, that the sport would struggle and players market values would drop. But, that hasn’t been the case since the addition of the portal and NIL. Fans don’t seem to care. For every 1 in 200 fans that no longer watches the sport due to some perceived loss of sportsmanship/integrity (as if it ever was completely moral), 10 new fans have arrived. In other words the sport keeps getting more popular.
I don’t understand why people are against above the table payments?
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
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Jan 2, 2025, 3:48 PM
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If we have to explain it to like we attempt to do with Bluff then you would not understand. Has nothing to do with the above the table payments.
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National Champion [7928]
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
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You are assuming a lot.
I'm not against players receiving fair compensation, and I suspect most are like me in that respect (but I am assuming that as well). The issue I have is when a handful of schools with bigger pockets control the sport. If my school has little to no chance, I'm out. Like a Tampa Bay Devil Rays fan.
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Legend [6828]
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
Jan 2, 2025, 3:38 PM
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You mean Oracle U. They will play Nike U out in Oregon.
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10 to 12 mil to come from rev share, we are doing 20.5....and they cant
Jan 2, 2025, 3:51 PM
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really promise what nil payouts will be under the new FMV rules..they are just trying to get the headlines of being the biggest payout when we dont really know that. Now i dont doubt that they are dedicated and ready to spend whatever they can to get the job done...
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National Champion [7928]
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Re: 10 to 12 mil to come from rev share, we are doing 20.5....and they cant
Jan 2, 2025, 4:44 PM
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I've followed Stephan Ross for YEARS as a Miami Dolphins fan. He will pay whatever it takes to get Michigan the talent they want.
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Clemson Conqueror [11406]
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Re: 10 to 12 mil to come from rev share, we are doing 20.5....and they cant
Jan 2, 2025, 6:58 PM
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Add Portnoy to that now
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lets hire their DC***
Jan 2, 2025, 7:31 PM
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Orange Elite [5418]
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Re: Michigan will pay $50 Million per year to football players
Jan 3, 2025, 10:30 AM
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I feel like the coaching staff, especially HC will end up needing to put a share of their salary in. It's going to take donations from any rich alumni or fans we have. Nikki Haley could surely help, I think Bill Murray and Mark Wahlberg have/had kids go to Clemson, formal NFL players like DW and Trevor making big $$. If there's no limit on this stuff, we have to get whoever is willing.
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