Is AOC that stupid?

FBCoachSC · 2020-02-03T15:51:06.592Z

https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-criticizes-space-force-when-americans-dont-have-healthcare-all-1485362 Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez asks why Americans will fund Space Force, but won't back health care for all "Our problem isn't a lack of money. It's a lack of good priorities," the New York representative said. Because you can't shoot at healthcare

it's all platitudes and examples that are not grounded in anything factual.

Ridiculous co-pays? Under MC4A there would be NO COPAYS. NO DEDUCTIBLES, NO PREMIUMS, NO BILLS IN THE MAIL LATER.

Oh but it's going to cost 50 something trillion dollars:
Our medical system as it is now will cost that much while not covering everybody. MC4A will be cheaper in the long run than what we have now while covering everybody mainly because, like all insurance, spreading liability across a larger segment of the population will reduce costs. Not to mention the 50 tril is already going to be spent. What many advocates are pushing for isn't additional spending. It's taking those tens of trillions of dollars fighting brown people for oil and turning it into something useful for the tax payers.

Doctor's are going to leave the country, innovation will plummet.
-And go where? EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRY ON EARTH HAS MC4A with the exception of us. Did they take off in the Nordic countries, or Canada?

You'll have to wait exorbitant wait times and DIE!
- Hell I wait forever now WITH insurance. Emergencies get seen first just like now. Go into the ER with a toothache? Wait 6 hours. That's happening now. Go into the ER with chest pain, right back there now.

It will kill small businesses.
-Will it? These small business no longer have to pay for employer provided HC. That frees up more money, plus they have a healthier workforce.

My taxes will go through the roof.
-Your taxes will go up. But the cost benefit is still in your favor. I pay easily 500 a month in HC for my family. Then I go to the doctor and pay 70 dollar copay until I hit my deductible. Then a few weeks later I get a bill that can range for $30 to 3000 dollars depending on what was done. If my taxes went up $500 PER MONTH I would still come out in the positive.

The misinformation and scare campaign is absolutely ridiculous.

Of course I'm sure you'll retort with "you don't know economics."

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Wow, did you do any research?

Feb 3, 2020, 11:44 AM [ in reply to Good lord you haven't done any actual reasearch ]

Oh but it's going to cost 50 something trillion dollars:
Our medical system as it is now will cost that much while not covering everybody. MC4A will be cheaper in the long run than what we have now while covering everybody mainly because, like all insurance, spreading liability across a larger segment of the population will reduce costs. Not to mention the 50 tril is already going to be spent. What many advocates are pushing for isn't additional spending. It's taking those tens of trillions of dollars fighting brown people for oil and turning it into something useful for the tax payers.

This did not happen with ACA. The population that was added was in worse shape and required more medical attention, raising costs.

Doctor's are going to leave the country, innovation will plummet.
-And go where? EVERY OTHER DEVELOPED COUNTRY ON EARTH HAS MC4A with the exception of us. Did they take off in the Nordic countries, or Canada?

Where does medical innovation come from? The US. Given our education system structure, do you think people will take on that medical school debt to work cheaply? Go to the VA and check out their facilities and doctors. They are garbage.

You'll have to wait exorbitant wait times and DIE!
- #### I wait forever now WITH insurance. Emergencies get seen first just like now. Go into the ER with a toothache? Wait 6 hours. That's happening now. Go into the ER with chest pain, right back there now.

Check out the private imaging business in Canada. BOOMING. MRIs, CTs, Xray, all places they pay out of pocket because it's 6-8 weeks for a simple image. Non critical scan? They strive for 28 days in Toronto, but they average wait time is 37 days. Spend some time up there. It's truly fascinating. Also, healthcare staff aren't allowed to speak poorly about the system.

https://www.hqontario.ca/System-Performance/Wait-Times-for-Diagnostic-Imaging?utm_source=Ontario.ca&utm_medium=Referral&utm_campaign=WT%20Referral

It will kill small businesses.
-Will it? These small business no longer have to pay for employer provided HC. That frees up more money, plus they have a healthier workforce.

Will it free up more money? I doubt it. Someone has to pay for all this 'free' healthcare.

My taxes will go through the roof.
-Your taxes will go up. But the cost benefit is still in your favor. I pay easily 500 a month in HC for my family. Then I go to the doctor and pay 70 dollar copay until I hit my deductible. Then a few weeks later I get a bill that can range for $30 to 3000 dollars depending on what was done. If my taxes went up $500 PER MONTH I would still come out in the positive.

For my company, the total premium cost for a family of 4 is $21,000/year. The employee currently pays $7,000 of that with a $2k/$4k deductible. And those costs are on the lower end for coverage averages in our region. So you pay $6,000/yr more in taxes, but where does the other $15k come from?

The misinformation and scare campaign is absolutely ridiculous.

Agreed.

Name me one market or business that the government took over and made it cheaper and more efficient? I'll wait.

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Yep, it's because we don't need to make war when we can...

Space Force will recieve a sliver of the DOD budget

She doesn't care about the cost.

Good lord you haven't done any actual reasearch

Sanders says nobody know how much this will cost.

Not gonna lie. That response threw me off

Why would I quote anything from Fox here?

Wow, did you do any research?

You can not compare MC4A with ACA

Republicans: Gut ACA of all of the vital pillars

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Truthiness

I might be wrong on this, but it looks like what you

Then stop calling it Medicare for all

Ok so Single Payer.

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Actually didn't copy pasta that one.***

You're on Medicare...?***

Just jockeying for position on that Sanders/AOC ticket

I think she needs a few more ice cream seasons before...

A scary thought but she’s not old enough to be on the ticket.***

Well...

Is that what they said about Reagan's Starwars project?

Maybe...

China is getting too big for its breeches.

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No sir.

Existing health care is expensive and has coverage gaps.

why are we still talking about healthcare

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Why are you talking about war?***

I agree, she isn't stupid.

I agree we don't need to gut our military

That's a good start but...

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