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I have ever been following the dismay by some thar Barrett
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Apr 26, 2025, 9:38 AM
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Carter has not yet been drafted and we are going into round 4....But,I have to say I am not surprised. I have been watching Clemson linebackers all the way back to Randy Scott and Bubba Brown...Tripplett,McDaniel,Simmons,Termite,Bouleware..etc. Personally, I don't think he is in the Top Thirty I have seen...and I am not even counting outside linebackers....
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totally agree . not surprised at all
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Apr 26, 2025, 9:43 AM
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Freshmen Barrett Carter was not bad .
You could see Brent Venables defense in his play.
I saw a lot more life after football and family themes in his character take over and his output directly related to it . no real standard holding his progression accountable . just saying politically correct interview things and being happy with progress (that wasn't really happening)
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Re: totally agree . not surprised at all
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Apr 26, 2025, 9:45 AM
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Outside of the bowl game versus Kentucky where he was outstanding…he seemed to regress every season and every game. Maybe it was the partnership with Trotter that made the magic!
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Re: totally agree . not surprised at all
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Apr 26, 2025, 9:46 AM
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It was the partnership with Porkchop that caused the regression. The proof is in the pudding.
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Clemson Conqueror [11416]
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Wade Woodaz had only played under W.Goodwin - hes MUCH better now
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Apr 26, 2025, 10:28 AM
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We all love Barrett Carter, and justifiably so.
However, to blame slow development of LBs in Wes Godwin … using Barrett Carter as proof … requires us to give credit to Wes Goodwin for the impressive upward trajectory of Wade Woodaz.
FWIW, J.Trotter played his final two seasons under Goodwin; he played NLP his FR season under Venables. Trotter was nothing special I’ll his FR year. Definitely not Sammy Brown-esque.
Let’s be happy that Tom Allen is our guy, and wish Goodwin all the best being part of the Oklahoma FB program.
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Neither Carter nor Woodaz played exceptionally well under Goodwin in 2024
Apr 26, 2025, 1:53 PM
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It was not a fluke that Sammy Brown had 75 tackles (45 solos) in 1/2 the snaps (375) of Carter (763 snaps / 88 tackles / 42 solos) and Woodaz (632 snaps / 88 tackles / 42 solos). S RJ Mickens had the most solo tackles (48) on the team heading into playoffs.
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I would agree that his showing did not surpass those mentioned
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Apr 26, 2025, 9:44 AM
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I have wonder if it was talent or coaching?
I been around as long as you having seen Randy Scott, Bubba Brown and beyond.
I think this Defense especially LB was the worst coached in many years.
Think whoever drafts him will get a steal with some coaching
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Re: I would agree that his showing did not surpass those mentioned
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Apr 26, 2025, 10:17 AM
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Absolutely, if he knuckles down and not only accept the training, but puts in the effort.
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Re: I have ever been following the dismay by some thar Barrett
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Apr 26, 2025, 9:46 AM
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Being around Wes did none of the LB's any favors. The longer he was there the worse the D got and the less the LB's seemed to do.
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Re: I have ever been following the dismay by some thar Barrett
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Apr 26, 2025, 10:32 AM
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Not true.
Wade Woodaz has developed from a surprisingly good, but hardly great, LB as a FR to an obvious stud now. Woodaz never played under Venables.
J.Trotter played his FR season under Venables; he was hardly a distinguished LB as a FR. As a SO and, even moreso as a JR, he played under Goodwin; he was excellent as a SO and a flat out stud as a JR.
Just sayin’.
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Re: I have ever been following the dismay by some thar Barrett
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Apr 26, 2025, 10:37 AM
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Can't blame all on Goodwin, but he deserves some blame. Some players peak, some motivation wanes. Love Carter but he missed way to many tackles. I think different coach could have brought him back to level and allowed progression. My 2 cents...
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Re: I have ever been following the dismay by some thar Barrett
Apr 26, 2025, 10:41 AM
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I think a lot of the blame could be placed squarely on poor position coaching & poor development for Carter not being the player we all thought he was going to be after his freshman year.
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And his awful pro day #s? Hang that on dough boy as well?****
Apr 26, 2025, 2:39 PM
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Re: I have ever been following the dismay by some thar Barrett
Apr 26, 2025, 11:43 AM
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Maybe some coaching but he seemed to be a little slow in space. Great guy and wish him well.
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Re: I have ever been following the dismay by some thar Barrett
Apr 26, 2025, 1:03 PM
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I was pumped when we signed him and after watching him his freshman year. #1 LB in the nation, #18 player, potential future first round pick (247).
Always seemed like a good guy and great teammate, but I never thought of him as a leader of our defense at the linebacker position… like we saw from Boulware or Skalski. Carter was just sort of “there”.
He wasn’t a great tackler, didn’t blow up plays, and seemed to get bulldozed by linemen at times. Didn’t seem like he had that mean streak that you’d like.
I hope he ends up having a great career in the NFL, wherever he ends up, but I understand why he isn’t high on people’s boards.
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