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Has College FB AMONG P5 SCHOOLS
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Oct 30, 2024, 5:54 AM
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Now evolved into a big business with everyone involved in producing it as well as the media, treating it as a big business controlled by the tv/streaming media?
Are fans just a customer who may be like all customers of any product...except in this case, the manufacturer doesn't produce the product for the customer's consumption but for the advertising industry??(Media)
We are in a new shift of college fb evolving into something that looks more like the NFL than the traditional amateur college student athletic event. Will it grow and prosper or will it become so much like the NFL that fans lose interest and quit watching. Alumni may very well quit supporting it.
Is the sport evolving too quickly? Can the young High Schoolers being recruited to produce the product even know much about what they are being asked to commit to?
I think it is moving too fast. For the young and old alike.
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Rival Killer [2621]
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Paradigm shifts are always uncomfortable for thos
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Oct 30, 2024, 6:45 AM
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who are committed to and enamored of the old paradigm.
Too fast? It started with the big TV contracts and changed even more with the O'Bannon vs NCAA case.
Big TV money started with ESPN in the early 1980's. The O'Bannon case was filed in 2015.
Compared to other paradigm shifts like the Pearl Harbor or or 9/11 attack, that's not very fast. Compared to the end of the Ice Age, it's lightning fast. It just depends on your perception.
Is it going to continue to change? Without a doubt.
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Re: Paradigm shifts are always uncomfortable for thos
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Oct 30, 2024, 8:18 AM
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Going from the ice age to the 1960's hippie age was a tad too fast for me.
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Rival Killer [2621]
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I understand.
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Oct 30, 2024, 9:10 AM
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It's not the same for me, but it's going to be perceived differently by people with different perspectives, beliefs, and chronological ages.
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Re: Paradigm shifts are always uncomfortable for thos
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Oct 30, 2024, 8:37 AM
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I would be more inclined to say 2005. Reggie Bush vs USC and the NCAA. Reggie lost, but he was right.
The NCAA had their opportunity then to make things right. And they missed it.
I can guess that had the NCAA agreed that an athlete is entitled to compensation for the use of NAME-IMAGE-LIKENESS (which I have always agreed they are) They could have headed off the controversies we have now.
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Athletic Dir [1122]
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Oct 30, 2024, 10:31 AM
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Paradigm shifts happen all the time, some bigger than others. A great example that had a big local impact was the shift to digital photography. Most big camera and film companies, like Kodak and Fugi(factory in Greenwood) fought it like crazy, and lost. Others( Sony, Nikon,canon) embraced it and controlled the market. Even crazier is that Kodak actually invented the digital camera only to kill it later. I guess the Iphone was their own paradigm shift in that stand alone cameras are now used only by professional photographers .
So, do we want to be the Kodak of college football, or do we want to be the Canon, or the Iphone? The NCAA has definitely been a Kodak by ignoring what was happening and completely losing control of the shift. We don’t know yet who the Canon or Iphone is but there IS a solution to the “wild Wild West” we are currently in.
In my opinion, the answer is starring us right in the face: it’s the NFL model. It’s all tried and proven and is legal and highly popular and entertaining. The big unanswered question is how to convince the SEC and the Big 10 to fold themselves into the new league. Either that, or they take it all over and merge like the NFL and AFL did in the 60s. It seems inevitable where we end up, but how we get there is unclear.
Where does little ole Clemson fit in this new model? I don’t know, but I do know that we cannot compete if/when it’s ONLY about money with no controls.
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Re: Has College FB AMONG P5 SCHOOLS
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Oct 30, 2024, 8:34 AM
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It's actually a very interesting question. I like the response bluffton gave.
I don't think it's moving too fast. A couple things. Imo the shift is moving towards more involvement for more teams. Less than 20 years ago, our loss to uga would have eliminated us from any championship talk, let alone a BYU or Boise St but the big thing was how big a bowl we could make.
Now to your point on becoming the NFL, I think you're correct. With the decisions made in the last decade, portal and nil, it's forcing a quick change to adopt the NFL model because it's totally out of control and now openly corrupt where pay for play is the norm.
I never grew up in an NFL environment. Saying, I had no ties, no invested interest in any team. Would watch Atlanta or the redskins and hoped they won, but I didn't give it a 2nd thought if they lost. Never dreamed of purchasing merchandise to support an NFL team. But cities such as Dallas or Boston that had no college team were invested in the NFL. That to those people were like college sports to us.
To me, the shock was the Nate interview. He pulled back the curtain and gave us insight into what, and how much, college football IS changing. That was a shock to many who were hanging on to the model that CFB was still just the same ametuer sports we loved. It's an interesting debate and at the same time, disturbing.
So yes, I think we will have to admit and each decide whether we want to be supportive of the new model, or do we just become the ivy league?
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Re: Has College FB AMONG P5 SCHOOLS
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Oct 30, 2024, 8:37 AM
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Its P4 as the fifth P is gone (some say the fifth P became a G). Yes, the college game has evolved based on the money involved and lack of a central management system. Every conference and school is fighting for themselves with zero thought to the long-term impact on the sport or fans. How great would it be if all the P4 teams were under one umbrella where the divisions were aligned based on geography and strength? Where there was one TV contract and all teams had the same payout? Player compensation was included in the agreement and outside payments, unless justified by a business case, were not allowed?
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One part of that would be er fly.
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Oct 30, 2024, 9:17 AM
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Restricting outside compensation can't happen. That NIL horse is out of the barn and gone. The barn door is slammed shut and the NCAA barn is on fire.
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Re: Has College FB AMONG P5 SCHOOLS
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Oct 30, 2024, 9:18 AM
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Where CFB is headed is going to require much more change quickly to sustain the current model. Changes such as a players union, a collective bargaining agreement, players draft and contracts with the team that limit movement.
Then we have a mini-NFL and don’t need college affiliation or to require players to attend classes.
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Rival Killer [2621]
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Not necessarily so.
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Oct 30, 2024, 9:21 AM
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It would require a federal antitrust exemtption. Congress has shown no interest in giving one.
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Oct 30, 2024, 9:46 AM
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You’re late to the party. About four years. Yes. We’ve been screaming it since NIL was law of the land.
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Oct 30, 2024, 10:49 AM
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I am of the opinion that none of this would have ever happened if winning had no become more important than education. If you look back to when Harvard was dominant. every player on the team was there first and foremost for the education. Harvard continued with education first policies over winning football and look at them now. They still have the most national championships of any school, but because they stuck with being a school first and foremost and not a football entertainment business that have dwindled down to being in a small closet Ivy League where all the players are students first and players 2nd.
My prediction is that college football will return once the system that is right now finally admits it is the NFL training league and then separates from the schools. Then college ball will completely reset to being amateur student athletes. The football will not be as good, but it will be all students who are focused on being students vs players masquearading as students, but have their focus on getting rich playing pro football.
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It's hard to argue against the idea that the last decade is the biggest, fastest
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Oct 30, 2024, 11:02 AM
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change in college football. Fundamental concepts of the sport, such as amateurism, have been completely destroyed. Assumed concepts such as recruits mostly committing to a school for their playing days (or...not to sound too corny...their education) are also demolished.
This may be over-romanticizing the "good old days", so I welcome the counter-argument, but before the TV money became soooo large, it seems like the sport more so served the fan. Pragmatically, having a good football team built school spirit, positive relationships and experiences, and a long term bond with students that would connect to them to the school long term and hopefully result in more donations. It provided a way for a school's name to be mentioned for a few hours on a Saturday. Now, it's hard to say it serves anything above tv revenue. Students aren't guaranteed a seat anymore. Because it doesn't generate enough revenue...which is considered more important than that student's connection to the school.
It is pretty crazy to think about...I'm on record as being very pro-Dabo in terms of the model he is following. But I look at fans like UGA and think...what are you cheering for? A team that is loosely associated with your school? Full of players that are there because they were paid well to do it, who will leave if they get a better offer, who probably don't go to class (just my speculation) and who rarely graduate (not speculation). Again, I might be misremembering, but I swear the official Clemson football roster used to show the players' majors. Now it just shows their social media accounts. UGAs does the same, only they also show what school they transferred in from (seriously).
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