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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
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Dec 19, 2024, 10:48 AM
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So Dame thinks Cade is a more athletic Baker Mayfield. Not bad. I can see it.
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
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Dec 19, 2024, 10:58 AM
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If he continues improving on the mental side of the game maybe a faster Drew Brees?
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
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Dec 19, 2024, 11:08 AM
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LOL. I love how everyone always says so-and-so is like a hall of famer only better. I like Cade. He's a good QB. He isn't a shadow of Drew Brees. Brees was famous for being one of the most cerebral QBs to ever play the game. I'm sure he's smart enough, but I haven't heard anyone say that about Cade. Drew Brees was the most accurate quarterback ever in the NFL. Cade is #45 in completion percentage in college this year. Brees had a much faster release as well. Brees was a statue, but made up for it by being able to read a defense lightning fast.
There is 0 in common between the two outside of playing for the same high school.
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And....
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Dec 19, 2024, 11:31 AM
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If the outfit thinking Cade is a second rounder is legit, he should go. I can't see him getting better by staying. Yep, we would be s-c-r-e-w-ed for sure if he left.
Truth is he is NOT going anywhere until his eligibility is exhausted here.
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Dynasty Maker [3381]
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Re: And....
Dec 19, 2024, 3:09 PM
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And if you are getting cash, stay a year and enjoy your time in college. Nothing is guaranteed in the NFL. I wonder how many kids wished they would have stayed when they get older.
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
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Dec 19, 2024, 11:47 AM
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Drew Brees JR yr stats:
-61% completion %
-3531 Yds
-21 TDs/11 int
Cade JR yr:
-64% completion %
-3303 yds
-33 TDs/5 int
It’s not a bad comparison. His makeup is that of Drew Brees. Not saying that’s how well he’ll do in the NFL but the comparison coming out of college is accurate.
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
Dec 19, 2024, 12:54 PM
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I don’t remember if Brees left after his Jr season at Purdue.
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
Dec 19, 2024, 1:27 PM
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He didn’t.
But his SR year was just about the same statistically. Less passing yards and a couple more TDs with more interceptions.
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Solid Orange [1389]
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
Dec 19, 2024, 6:25 PM
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No, it's a terrible comparison.
-Looking at raw stats is stupid. They are entirely different QBs with different playstyles and different strengths. I can show you a ton of players with significantly better stats than Tom Brady in college. But there has never been another Brady.
-The stats you pulled for Brees are wrong. His stats were much better. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drew_Brees
-It was a different time period. Defenses were allowed to be far more aggressive when Brees played and it was harder to have big plays. I broke it down the other day in another thread, but the average starting QB today throws about 500 yards more, 6 touchdowns more, and 3 interceptions less than the average QB in 2005. It's a different game today, so you have to compare how the QBs did vs. their competition, not look at raw numbers. Brees was top 5 in almost every statistics his sophomore, junior, and senior years. Cade is top 15 in most (top 5 in TDs), but #45 in accuracy.
-Drew Brees played for the Purdue Boilermakers. They had 3 elite recruits on his team. He had one receiver go to the NFL in the fifth round, but never played. Cade has 52 blue chip players around him. Do you think it's harder to have good stats with Vinny Sutherland, Chris Daniels, and Randall Lane or with Wesco, Moore, and Antonio? We're a better team than they were.
-The NFL and college are two entirely different ball games. Very very few college star QBs go onto NFL success. I broke it down in another thread maybe Tuesday, but of the ~25 Heisman winning QBs since 1985, only 3 became NFL successes. It requires a different skillset. Brees had that perfect skillset.
It's a bad comparison any way you slice it. But it's always stupid when a dumb fan says their college player is like an NFL hall of famer, only better. Statistically, that's pretty much impossible. I don't think many would say Cade is better than Deshaun or Trevor. Neither of them found success in the NFL. If Cade was Drew Brees but faster, he would become the GOAT. It's just a silly claim.
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
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Dec 19, 2024, 11:43 AM
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If he gets a 2nd round grade he would be dumb to stay
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
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Dec 19, 2024, 11:53 AM
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If he gets a 2nd round grade he would be dumb to stay
2nd Round Grade doesn't guarantee 2nd round drafting.
IMO he comes back because he doesn't have an urgent need to jump and probably wants a chance at winning a CFP Championship with Clemson.
Things might change though if Clemson gets hot and wins it all this year.
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
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Dec 19, 2024, 12:36 PM
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Should have a even better Oline next year with almost everyone coming back.
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
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Dec 19, 2024, 3:28 PM
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Agree, these things are highly variable. If he was a consensus first rounder then it’s a no brainer, but not where he is.
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
Dec 19, 2024, 8:34 PM
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At any other position probably, at QB second round grade is probably 1st round pick
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
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Dec 19, 2024, 12:51 PM
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Subtle, diplomatically expressed assessment of CK2’s arm strength. “Good arm strength.”
Indeed, CK2’s arm strength as of late 2024 is better than Tom Brady’s arm strength during Brady’s final 7 or so years in the NFL. That’s not saying a whole lot.
The comparisons between Drew Brees and CK2 that imply close similarity as far as passing ability are absurd. In addition to what others on this thread noted about Brees’ advantages such as consistent accuracy and quick release, Brees had much better arm strength. Brees never had to ‘load up’ to throw a put-it-on-a-dime deep out route. As for his completion percentage stats, Brees played for (tongue in cheek) college FB powerhouse Purdue. Sure, Purdue had some decent teams over the years, but for a pocket-only QB on a mediocre college team, Brees threw the ball away much more frequently in college because eluding a sack was not a strength of his.
CK2’s improvement between 2023 and 2024 is what most of the non-fan boy observers of CK2 had expected … at least, these expectations were what we had after watching him during the final two games if the 2022 season: I.e., a not ready for college starter QB prospect that appeared to have enough ability to develop into a very good QB by either his Jr. or Sr. season. In that respect, CK2 has exceeded expectations.
I have great optimism that he will be a truly elite college QB next year whose stats won’t need to be padded via numerous games against vastly inferior competition.
The only way that we can win the National Championship this year is for CK2 to play out-of-his-mind stupendous FB over each of the four next games. If he can do that, then he’ll have taken that next step that many of us had been hoping him to take starting early in the 2025 season.
I’m not too proud to hope for CK2’s and our CFP title accomplishment this year, but I’m more optimistic about next year.
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
Dec 19, 2024, 6:31 PM
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Thank you! People are acting like I'm ######## on Cade by saying comparing him to Drew Brees makes no sense. Cade is a great QB. I'm glad we have him. I think he could have won national titles on our elite teams back in 2015-2020 too.
But Drew Brees is a top 5 NFL QB of all time. His skillset is entirely different from Cade's, and it was one that allowed him to thrive in the NFL. Brees maybe had the best throwing mechanics and overall arm talent ever, combined with being maybe the smartest QB to play the game (Tom Brady and Kurt Warner are also incredibly intelligent). Cade is incredibly gifted with his feet and is smart enough, but their arm talent is entirely different. Cade's arm strength is more comparable to an aging Brady (I honestly don't know how Brady was so amazing. Those are those intangibles.).
This was a great post.
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
Dec 19, 2024, 2:50 PM
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I’ve never been too concerned with his physical abilities. It’s his football IQ that causes him to struggle at this level and I think will limit any chance he has in the NFL.
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I dont think he will leave this year. He and his family
Dec 19, 2024, 3:21 PM
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do not need the money.
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
Dec 19, 2024, 6:39 PM
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Other than this one pretty much every draft evaluation of Cade I've seen puts him in the undrafted FA range, or perhaps a late day three pick. If he's getting legit 2nd round grades from everyone then he has a decision to make but this appears to be an outlier.
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
Dec 19, 2024, 8:36 PM
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What current mock has Cade undeafted? I bet you can't find one
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Re: Cade Klubnick draft analysis
Dec 19, 2024, 9:56 PM
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Most of the ones I've seen have him ranked 200+ and plenty of guys in that range go undrafted. Mind you I'm not saying I necessarily agree with them but I've not seen him ranked as even a top 100 prospect, which is early fourth round anywhere. And these mock drafts and rankings are notoriously fickle at this point. If Cade lights up Texas and wins a couple games in the playoffs he could certainly become a hot prospect.
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