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Well, we will know what we have after this weekend. Jack
Feb 27, 2013, 7:44 PM
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either has it or the same old, same old.
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So 10 games into the season we will already know how the
Feb 27, 2013, 7:51 PM
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rest of the season will turn out????? wow man you dont know much about college baseball do you
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Re When is the last time he has won a series against South
Feb 27, 2013, 8:10 PM
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Carolina? Keep believing this crap that he continues to feed you. We sink lower each year. He can be replaced and much cheaper at that.
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Clemson won the regular season series...
Feb 27, 2013, 8:17 PM
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in 2010 and was one outstanding defensive play by Evan Marzilli from winning it last year.
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Re:You sound like Bowden. At least you are not blaming the
Feb 27, 2013, 8:21 PM
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facilities today.
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Here's a clue for you...
Feb 27, 2013, 8:26 PM
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Baseball teams lose "games they shouldn't" all the time. It happens. And it's especially likely to happen early this season because Clemson is playing a lot of freshmen. Yes, they've been very good so far, especially Tyler Krieger and Steven Duggar, but I imagine they'll have rough stretches too. And it's a FACT that Clemson's player facilities are not up to the standards of other teams in the region. If you can't admit that, then it isn't my fault. Yes, Doug Kingsmore is a beautiful place and it works very well for the fans and the media, but the parts that fans DON'T see on a regular basis are not up to the standards of other ACC and especially SEC teams.
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Re:You are not going to solve that problem by throwing
Feb 27, 2013, 8:35 PM
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money at it (not in baseball anyway), Win the games you should win and things will take care of themselves. We hear this stuff every year from the apologists.
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Re:You are not going to solve that problem by throwing
Feb 27, 2013, 8:45 PM
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Agree with baseballfan our baseball program needs renovations at DK. Thats a given.
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Re:We need a lot of things but we do not have infinite
Feb 27, 2013, 8:55 PM
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resources. Some of you want a new basketball arena, now new baseball
facilites. Have you seen Western Carolina's field? They stomped our butts twice last year.
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Clemson seems to have "infinite resources"...
Feb 27, 2013, 8:59 PM
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when it comes to football. In the last decade, Clemson has spent over 40 million dollars on football facilities. Want to guess how much it's spent on baseball, basketball, and soccer combined in that same time period? Not even half that. In fact, I'm fairly certain that the amount spent on just the Indoor Practice Facility exceeds the amount spent on the other three sports combined.
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Re Look, football is Clemson's bread and butter. You don't
Feb 27, 2013, 9:10 PM
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cut off your nose to spite your face. Football only needs to beat SC and I think
that we will start doing it , again, on a consistent basis. You don't throw good money after bad money unless you have a good chance of winning. I don't see it under Leggett. I do hope that he can turn it around but I doubt it.
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"Clemson only needs to beat SC"?...
Feb 27, 2013, 9:18 PM
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So football is a one-game season? Seems to me Clemson needs to beat Florida State and Georgia Tech and NC State and a bunch of other teams in order to win a conference championship. If your competition is spending money on facilities and you're not, then you're getting behind. And if you want to win, then you have to keep up. That applies in baseball, basketball, and soccer just like it does in football. If a player is considering playing baseball at Clemson, Virginia, UNC, South Carolina, Florida, Florida State and several others and goes to those campuses and sees what each school has, chances are he isn't going to choose Clemson. Spending money on a program shows your level of commitment to it. If that's what you call "throwing good money after bad" then I'm sorry.
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Ah, no...
Feb 27, 2013, 9:24 PM
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As the old saying goes, "a rising tide lifts all boats" and if baseball and basketball succeed, then football also benefits. Why do you think DJ Reader chose Clemson when his parents wanted him to go to Maryland? Because of baseball. Football benefits when other programs succeed. I don't understand why some people act like Clemson's sports are competing with each other. EVERY sport is important.
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Football is where the money comes in
Feb 27, 2013, 10:28 PM
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so they better be spending to win make our football program elite. Football is really all that matters to Clemson fans. Yeah we like baseball and basketball, but it's not even on the footballs radar
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Baseball and basketball sure seem to matter...
Feb 27, 2013, 10:35 PM
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after they lose games, especially "ones they shouldn't". Other schools in the region have managed to build ALL of their sports, why shouldn't Clemson? If Florida, which most people consider a "football school" can be as good in basketball as it's been, then why can't Clemson? Shouldn't Clemson make the same effort, or even a comparable one considering the size of the institutions, as Florida has to both sports? Do you think Florida basketball has become as good as it has through dumb luck? I'm always amazed that Clemson fans expect Jack Leggett and Brad Brownell to compete on the field (or court) to the same level as their competition without making the comparable investment as the competition. Facilities matter, in EVERY sport.
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I agree they should, but football comes first
Feb 27, 2013, 10:42 PM
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and making football elite takes top spot over making baseball elite. When you get all that the football program needs like West zone and indoor practice facility, then you can start throwing some at basketball and then after basketball is met, then start on baseball. The top 2 come first. Baseball is never on major networks, but a few and post season on ESPN. Do you ever see Clemson or SC on ESPN during the regular season?
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The ESPN "family of networks"...
Feb 27, 2013, 11:02 PM
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is carrying something like 160 college baseball games this regular season. Most of them are on ESPN2 or ESPNU, but they're nationally televised nonetheless. Clemson will be on ESPNU at least twice during the regular season. I believe it's this weekend that one of the ESPN networks wil begin carrying at least one college baseball game every weekend through the College World Series. The Indoor Practice Facility should have been behind the north side of Riggs Field and the baseball facility instead of first. The work on the north side of Riggs is a public safety issue and not just an athletic issue. That sidewalk is terribly unsafe for pedestrians to use on an everyday basis. You sound like Reagan with your "trickle down" theory. Didn't work then, doesn't work now.
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Football team has won 21 games in 2 years, working just
Feb 27, 2013, 11:09 PM
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fine. Hey i'm honored if I sound like Reagan
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Football isn't all that matters...
Feb 27, 2013, 11:14 PM
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sorry you can't figure that out. And I'm not surprised you're "honored to be compared to Reagan", even though he was a horrible President.
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Wow, just when I thought you couldn't say anything dumber
Feb 28, 2013, 7:47 AM
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I go and find out you're a socialist.
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You cannot possibly compare baseball and football and be
Feb 28, 2013, 9:04 AM
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serious. Yes, the ESPN networks are about to begin broadcasting college baseball games. A couple questions if I may:
It's February 28, what else is on that they could show?
How does college baseball ratings compare to college football on ESPN?
So Clemson will be nationally televised on ESPNU at least twice in the 50+ games that they play, but in the upcoming football season where they will potentially play 14 games, how many times will the football team be nationally televised on ESPN channels?
You're right that football isn't all that matters. From a national perspective, all that really matters in collegiate athletics is football and basketball. I love watching Clemson baseball, but come on, college baseball is just not popular across the country. But then again, your assessment of Reagan tells me all I need to know.
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Get a grip and let last year go. IF you expect
Feb 27, 2013, 9:28 PM
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Clemson or any other team not to get beat by "inferior" teams in baseball then you need to let that sport go. NOT GOING TO HAPPEN.
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Really?...
Feb 27, 2013, 8:47 PM
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South Carolina didn't win much of anything before spending 30 million on a new stadium. Look at what the West Zone has done for football. Facilities DO matter whether you want to believe it or not.
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Re: Thats a lie and you know it. You need to check their
Feb 27, 2013, 8:50 PM
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records and the dates.
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Did they win any National Titles...
Feb 27, 2013, 8:55 PM
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playing at Sarge Frye? Building their new place was a HUGE boost to SC's program, whether you want to admit it or not.
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Re: You can't deny that they had very successful season for
Feb 27, 2013, 9:03 PM
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quite a while now. They deserved a new stadium Ray kept winning at Sarge Frye. When Leggett proves that he can do that then I think the administration will consider the same. Until that time, you can continue apologizing for him. I would bet that the administration has higher building
priorities.
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Re: You can't deny that they had very successful season for
Feb 27, 2013, 9:06 PM
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What did Ray accomplish at Sarge Fry that Leggett hasn't at Clemson? You're talking crazy talk now.
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Re: He built a program that won two national championships***
Feb 27, 2013, 1:28 AM
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Re: He built a program that won two national championships***
Feb 27, 2013, 9:15 PM
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Now you're contradicting yourself. You said he earned the stadium with what he did at Sarge Fry. He didn't win championships there. Did they have a crystal ball? Your using hindsight to say that because he won two championships he deserves what they gave him. But they made that commitment first. But Jack doesn't deserve the same investment in your book - because he can't accomplish the same things as Ray without them. Makes no sense.
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Re:Ray continued to get better. Leggett has continued to
Feb 27, 2013, 9:18 PM
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regress.
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Re:Ray continued to get better. Leggett has continued to
Feb 27, 2013, 9:20 PM
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peanut, is that your brain size or another body part
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Re:Is that the best you can come with?***
Feb 27, 2013, 9:25 PM
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Re:Is that the best you can come with?***
Feb 27, 2013, 9:27 PM
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facts dont mean to much to your circle of #####
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Re:You need to take those rose colored glasses off.***
Feb 27, 2013, 9:28 PM
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Re:You need to take those rose colored glasses off.***
Feb 27, 2013, 9:31 PM
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i wear those glasses when we go to omaha. nice trip, you should try it some time. our coach, the one you goobers cant stand has taken our team there quite a few times.
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Re:I doubt that I will live long enough to go again. Not at
Feb 27, 2013, 9:34 PM
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the rate we are going
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Re:I doubt that I will live long enough to go again. Not at
Feb 27, 2013, 9:38 PM
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not been keeping up with recruiting huh
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He hates Jack Leggett so much...
Feb 27, 2013, 11:04 PM
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that he can't understand that this is still a very good program.
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Re: Tommy Bowden never had a losing season.***
Feb 27, 2013, 10:19 PM
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The College World Series is the equivalent of the Elite 8 or a BCS bowl game. How many of those did Tommy go to?
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Re: Tommy Bowden never had a losing season.***
Feb 27, 2013, 10:32 PM
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Never won a championship either did he? Sorry but most of us aren't ok with mediocrity?
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I think you made my point for me.***
Feb 27, 2013, 10:36 PM
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Clemson baseball has done 100 times more that Bowden ever
Feb 27, 2013, 10:43 PM
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did. How many times has Leggett been to the CWS? How many times did TB get to the BCS?
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Re:Ray continued to get better. Leggett has continued to
Feb 27, 2013, 9:33 PM
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Ray did not "continue to improve." He hadn't been to Omaha in 6 seasons before they opened the new stadium. 3 trips to Omaha in 13 years prior to the new stadium. Clemson had the exact same number of trips in that time frame. Oh and 1 conference tournament championship each during that same time. And 1 to 2 regular season conference championships,. So, I can see why you feel his performance demanded such a massive investment while Leggett deserves your scorn and ridicule.
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But he was able to take recruits to the site...
Feb 27, 2013, 9:20 PM
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of the new stadium and say "See, this is what we're building and if you come here, you'll get to play in it". All coach Leggett has to show is pictures that are nearly 3 years old. If Clemson has higher building priorities then nothing will change.
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Re:Then we might as well accept it.***
Feb 27, 2013, 9:26 PM
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Re: But he was able to take recruits to the site...
Feb 28, 2013, 12:43 AM
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What were Oregon State's facilities like when they won back to back? How about Fresno State's in 2008?
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Argument won***
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Re: Argument won***
Feb 28, 2013, 10:53 AM
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Really? You just assume those schools have crap facilities and declare argument over since it is convenient? Oregon State plays in a beautiful on campus facility at the oldest college ball field in America. They have made two major renovations in the last 20 years. In 1999 they built their stadium with a individual donation of $2.3 million - more than twice what was spent to launch building our stadium. They underwent another facilities upgrade in 2009. Oregon State has spent significantly more money on their baseball program than Clemson has. None of that money spent on bleacher seats - which I doubt do much to sway recruits. (I'm not critiquing bleacher seats - just emphasizing that they have poured more money into aesthetics and facilities than we have).
Fresno State also has a premier stadium. It seats nearly 6000. Their stadium underwent a $2.2 million renovation in 1983. They led the nation in attendance in the country in 1988 and 1989. They have done further upgrades in 1996, 1998, 1999 and 2000. The last addition, in 2004, was a brand new clubhouse and indoor batting cages.
So no, I don't think argument won. I think his argument proves the opposite. If you actually look nearly every team to win a CWS has invested more money into sport than Clemson.
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Since when was Oregon State...
Feb 28, 2013, 12:49 AM
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or Fresno State a measuring stick around here? Does Clemson recruit against those schools? Nice try coot. Too bad you were too stupid to get in Clemson, unlike me.
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because those teams have national titles***
Feb 28, 2013, 12:55 AM
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Yes...
Feb 27, 2013, 9:50 PM
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partly because Khalil Greene had an uncharacteristically bad day, committing 3 errors. Of course, looking back on it with the benefit of hindsight, maybe that was the first indication of his disorder, the one that eventually ended his Major League career. Now, that may sound like an "excuse" to some of you, but I can't help that.
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Re: Thats a lie and you know it. You need to check their
Feb 27, 2013, 9:05 PM
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And your exaggerating greatly. Any outsider would have regarded South Carolina as comparable to but behind Clemson as a baseball program - pre-stadium. Between the facilities and an ever increasing tuition gap it will be hard for Clemson to stay competitive at anything but full scholarship sports. But by all means, stick your head in the sand and lay all the blame on the coaches.
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Re:You are not going to solve that problem by throwing
Feb 27, 2013, 9:02 PM
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Right, because throwing money at it did nothing for South Carolina - the only measuring stick you know to use for baseball. Btw - three straight CWS finals and their baseball team still bleeds money.
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Re:Maybe, when Jack wins one, ours can bleed money.***
Feb 27, 2013, 9:13 PM
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Re:Maybe, when Jack wins one, ours can bleed money.***
Feb 27, 2013, 9:17 PM
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Once again, if you're going to exclusively use them as the measuring stick then you need to recognize that they committed that money long before Ray ever won anything.
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Re: Like I said,you do not throw good money after bad
Feb 27, 2013, 9:24 PM
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money. Ray was building a power and the fan base knew it. Unfortunately, a
large portion of the Clemson fan base has little or no faith in Leggett AS HE CONTINUES TO SIDE INTO MEDIOCRITY. Enjoyed arguing with you guys. GO TIGERS.
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Re: Like I said,you do not throw good money after bad
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Ray did not "continue to improve." He hadn't been to Omaha in 6 seasons before they opened the new stadium. 3 trips to Omaha in 13 years prior to the new stadium. Clemson had the exact same number of trips in that time frame. Oh and 1 conference tournament championship each during that same time. And 1 to 2 regular season conference championships,. So, I can see why you feel his performance demanded such a massive investment while Leggett deserves your scorn and ridicule.
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Re:You sound like Bowden. At least you are not blaming the
Feb 27, 2013, 9:00 PM
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Wait, you challenged him and it was only two seasons ago. We were in the CWS in 2010. And if you can't see the discrepancy between South Carolina and Clemson's baseball facilities then I don't know what to tell you.
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Re: Clemson won the regular season series...
Feb 27, 2013, 8:43 PM
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"and was one outstanding play away" if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle. Heck...if Bradley can catch we win today, but he couldn't. If Aaron Kelly catches the 50 yard bomb against BC Tommy Bowden probably still has a job.
IF...IF....IF. Man have some accountability. We can't keep making up excuses.
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How is giving a player on another team credit...
Feb 27, 2013, 8:50 PM
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"making excuses"? And, by the way, Evan Marzilli wasn't from SC. Why is it that every time something goes wrong it HAS to be somebody at Clemson's fault?
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Re: Ouch, already giving up against USC?***
Feb 27, 2013, 10:35 PM
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We're playing the Trojans?
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Re: Well, we will know what we have after this weekend. Jack
Feb 27, 2013, 8:18 PM
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We lost to Winthrop!
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So?...
Feb 27, 2013, 8:20 PM
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South Carolina lost to D2 Francis Marion last year. Didn't seem to hurt them in the long run.
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Not just Winthrop, it's that we also lost to W&M.***
Feb 27, 2013, 8:29 PM
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So?...
Feb 27, 2013, 8:33 PM
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Do you really expect to win all 56 games? I suggest you go to baseballamerica.com and look at all the Top 25 upsets that happen with regularity. And some teams just barely avoid massive upsets; like Miami escaping from D2 St Thomas 5-4 yesterday after trailing 5-2 going to the bottom of the 9th.
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Re: No, because we are just so so.***
Feb 27, 2013, 8:38 PM
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Re: No, because we are just so so.***
Feb 27, 2013, 8:41 PM
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so if you are so good why dont you go coach...you ahve no idea about baseball...coot
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Re I have been following CU baseball for over 60 yrs. I
Feb 27, 2013, 8:46 PM
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believe if Wilhelm was alive today, that he would admit that he made a mistake
putting Leggett in charge.
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Thanks for the laugh***
Feb 27, 2013, 8:58 PM
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You've been following in for over 60 years...
Feb 27, 2013, 9:02 PM
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and understand so little about college baseball? Don't think I'd brag about that if I were you. And I doubt coach Wilhelm would think anything of the kind.
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Re: Re I have been following CU baseball for over 60 yrs. I
Feb 27, 2013, 9:13 PM
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And you topped yourself again. I think anyone that has actually followed baseball for 60 years would know what a profoundly disingenuous statement that is. Wilhelm fought for the sport of college baseball, not just Clemson. The ACC was atrocious at a time when the best of college baseball was a sub single A clown show. Wilhelm fought hard to change that. Clemson, and the sport, are indebted to him. But Leggett has maintained that legacy of success in an ever increasingly competitive era for the sport.
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To build on your point...
Feb 27, 2013, 9:27 PM
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coach Leggett is also fighting for the sport of college baseball in his attempts to improve the ball that the colleges use in order to get more offense into the game.
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Re: They all are playing with the same ball, aren't they?***
Feb 27, 2013, 9:30 PM
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Yes...
Feb 27, 2013, 9:46 PM
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but my point was, since you obviously missed it, is that coach Leggett is trying to improve college baseball much like coach Wilhelm did. Jack Leggett is a highly-respected coach in college baseball circles, a group MUCH more informed about the sport than most Clemson fans.
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Re: To build on your point...
Feb 27, 2013, 9:39 PM
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It's why the anti-Leggett group is so maddening. First, there is no chance Clemson would ever fire him short of some kind of personal issue unrelated to the sport. He has been a fantastic extension of Wilhelm's great work and is a terrific ambassador for the sport and University. Much like it did with football, Clemson has coasted on its success with baseball and it has hurt us. This incoming recruiting class was one of the best ever yet, here we are two weeks into the season, and everyone is ready to start throwing people under the bus.
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Predictable and ACC***
Feb 27, 2013, 11:20 PM
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Sorry hit enter by mistake before finishing. Predictable
Feb 27, 2013, 11:29 PM
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and ACCURATE. You always show up after any loss and start telling everyone how poor that the coaching was. WHY don't you get a coaching job, which I am sure would pay slightly above what you are making at present if you are like most people? Everyone wants to be an armchair coach when they know nothing at all about most situations so really is sad and funny.
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So I've forgot more about baseball than you'll ever know and
Feb 27, 2013, 10:22 PM
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I regret that some you can't see what's right in front of your face. Occasional losses happen to less talented teams but we've been consistently getting beat by lesser teams the last few years.
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You have not...
Feb 27, 2013, 10:29 PM
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"forgotten more about baseball than you'll ever know". Not by a long shot. Has Clemson lost to a D2 school in the last few years? And no, PC, Western, Winthrop, and those schools are NOT D2. Clemson started 5 freshmen today (pitcher, catcher, shortstop, left field, right field). Most of them have done very well to this point. However, I expect that all of them will go through "down periods" at some point this season. Clemson hasn't lost significantly more games to "lesser teams" than any other D1 school has.
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I guess I just expect more than you. Enjoy settling.***
Feb 27, 2013, 10:34 PM
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What gives you the right to "expect" anything?...
Feb 27, 2013, 10:50 PM
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What have you done to help build the program? Or do you just sit behind your computer and cast stones at the coaches and players? Your "expectations" aren't based in reality. If you want to see "mediocrity", then look at Bill Wilhelm's record in the 1980s. For all of his success, that wasn't a very good decade. Clemson went to Omaha in 1980 and didn't go again until 1991 (and went out there 60-8 and came back 60-10) and won the ACC that year and in 1981, but didn't win another conference title until 1989, in a much weaker league. They did win 54 games in both 87 and 88, but didn't win the conference or a regional title either year.
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Too many. You missed my point about TB. We kept him too
Feb 27, 2013, 10:39 PM
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Long lie we've kept LJL too long.
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Bottom line is don't put TB in the same breath as JL***
Feb 27, 2013, 11:10 PM
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Why? They both just aren't quite good enough.***
Feb 28, 2013, 7:48 AM
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Re: So?...
Feb 27, 2013, 8:46 PM
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Scar also won 2 national championships. Stop. Making. Excuses
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Re: So?...
Feb 27, 2013, 8:49 PM
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so..either get on board and support or hit the gravy train..
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But they also...
Feb 27, 2013, 8:54 PM
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"lost games they shouldn't" along the way. Here's another example for you, but from basketball. Penn State was 0-14 in the Big 10 coming into today's game and just beat #4 Michigan. This happened one night after unranked Minnesota beat #1 Indiana. Being realistic isn't "making excuses". It's living in the real world. By the way, the best team Clemson has had in a long time was the 1991 team that finished 60-10 (it also went 0-2 in Omaha by the way) but that team lost to Western Carolina that just happened to be coached by Jack Leggett. Maybe that's part of why coach Wilhelm hired him at the end of that season.
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Re: Jack loss two to Western, last year. Don't smooth over
Feb 27, 2013, 8:57 PM
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that.
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Re: Jack loss two to Western, last year. Don't smooth over
Feb 27, 2013, 8:58 PM
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the idiocy on this board knows no bounds.
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Re You guys never know when to cut bait.***
Feb 27, 2013, 9:05 PM
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Re: So?...
Feb 27, 2013, 9:26 PM
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"Win anyway" is a stupid South Carolina slogan. How's it working for their basketball team. Evaluating problems and identifying solutions is not the same as making excuses. Clemson has a major facilities gap that hopefully this $6 million investment that is coming online soon will help close. Everyone loves to criticize the in state recruiting - but it is only going to get tougher when they have a better stadium to play at, 2 national championship banners flying, and significantly cheaper tuition for kids who are all on partial scholarships. To deny those impediments exist is just ridiculous. And to view Jack as the root of our problems is just willful ignorance of the sport. He is not being inducted into the sports' hall of fame because people felt bad for him losing to South Carolina. It is because his track record of success places him in the very highest echelon of the sport.
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Re Screw the HOF. Win the darn games, that you should
Feb 27, 2013, 9:32 PM
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win.
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If nobody "lost games they shouldn't"...
Feb 27, 2013, 10:22 PM
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then there would be no Hall of Fame. Bill Wilhelm lost games he shouldn't, believe it or not. Augie Garrido has lost games he shouldn't. Gene Stephenson, the winningest active coach in college baseball, has lost games he shouldn't. Why is that so hard for you to understand? Should a Clemson team that went to Omaha with a 60-8 record have lost to Western Carolina or Louisiana-Lafayette?
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Re: So?...
Feb 28, 2013, 12:45 AM
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Ok. Tell you what: we make the CWS finals and I won't say anything more about losing to winthrop.
At some point your blind faith needs to end. Call it as it is son.
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Your school lost to D2 Francis Marion , "son"...
Feb 28, 2013, 12:52 AM
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so stop talking down to me. Don't you "believe in Chad"? After all, he is your coach.
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Socialist. You want to leach off of others hard work.***
Feb 28, 2013, 7:50 AM
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What I'm hoping for is the same old same old
Feb 27, 2013, 9:14 PM
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not what we've had for the last couple of years
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What's your problem?***
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I hate to say it.
Feb 28, 2013, 8:55 AM
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But Clemson could have new basketball and baseball coaches in the next three years. Thank goodness the football program is succeeding on the national level. It is the only one of the Big 3.
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Uncle Si?
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