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Brownell really has the haters spoiled.
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When the expectation is to beat a 20 win team, the #13 team in the nation, and the #1 team in the nation to win an acc championship, then maybe B-Rad has assembled a #### good team and staff.
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Re: Brownell really has the haters spoiled.
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I don’t normally agree, but I do on this. Expectations are definitely on a level not experienced in basketball in my lifetime at least.
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Before we move on to a question that difficult
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Mar 16, 2025, 8:30 AM
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Let’s go back and work on simpler math…
1) Which one of these is not like the others?
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
Mar 16, 2025, 10:58 AM
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You may not think that dillon hunter is a key contributor on our team, but i certainly do.
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CU Medallion [18024]
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We won the last 9 games he started, we lost the last 2 he didn't, I'd say
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Mar 16, 2025, 4:12 PM
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he plays an important role
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And before anyone makes comments about this topic
Mar 16, 2025, 4:25 PM
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It stems from that poster comparing the loss of Flagg at Duke and Smith at Louisville to D. Hunter at Clemson. While our loss is not even close in comparison, this is in no way meant to take away from D Hunter’s role on our team. The three, however, are not alike.
It will get twisted by those who do not know the backstory if you do not keep these few posters on track.
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
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Mar 16, 2025, 11:12 AM
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How about:
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From supposedly our best recruiting class in ages and a top 100 player. In a season where we dominated many games and won comfortably. Would a little more experience for even one of those guys have made them more prepared to step in when Dillon went out? Maybe? But we’ll never know and personnel decisions are never Brad’s fault unless they’re positive.
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
Mar 16, 2025, 11:58 AM
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Hindsight is 20/20.
Andre, what do you think?
Kinda crowded in here. 🙂
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
Mar 16, 2025, 12:44 PM
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Didn’t require hindsight to know you were gonna need to be more than 6 deep.
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
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Mar 16, 2025, 12:48 PM
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Yep, we all knew one of our guards would get hurt. Didn’t happen as early as you prognosticated, did it? Did you complain about our lack of depth earlier in the season? Don’t remember that. Thanks.
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Lack of depth becomes painfully apparent when...
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Mar 16, 2025, 1:41 PM
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you're facing better competition and dealing with injuries. We didn't need great depth to beat crap teams like VT, Notre Dame UVA and BC. When you add to that how terribly bad our shooting was, ESCPECIALLY from supposed 3-point shooters coming off the bench and turning out to be liabilities on the court, it's nearly possible to compete. Yet we were able to mount a nearly miraculous comeback against Louavull that took the most glaring, flagrant no-call in ACCT history to quell, you have to give a lot of credit to the Tigers. Let's hope the shooting improves and we get some real refs in the NCAAT, not the slack-azz corrupt hacks in the ACC.
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
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We're still more than 6 deep without Dillon Hunter. You can't expect there to be no drop off. More importantly we have 3 players that can lead the team depending on the type of game it is. Even Wiggins and Zachary have carried the team in a game or 2.
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
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There are a lot of people using the loss of Dillon as an excuse. The loss of your 6th man shouldn’t be an excuse. Duke lost their best player, possibly the best player in the nation, and moved forward with relative ease.
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He was a starter when healthy...not surprised you didn't know that***
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Re: He was a starter when healthy...not surprised you didn't know that***
Mar 16, 2025, 5:28 PM
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Dillon Hunter started 9 games. He is 6th in minutes played, games starts, and 8th in total appearances. Referring to him as the 6th man was a matter of accuracy not insult. I am not surprised you would misrepresent reality to curry favor with your fellow Bros.
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He started the last 9 games...try to keep up***
Mar 16, 2025, 6:50 PM
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Re: He started the last 9 games...try to keep up***
Mar 16, 2025, 8:10 PM
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That doesn’t contradict anything in my post or my point. You keep throwing out random facts because you can’t.
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CU Medallion [18024]
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Of course it does, him establishing himself as a starter absolutely contradicts
Mar 16, 2025, 9:38 PM
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your mistaken premise that he was our sixth man...Clearly he was in the starting Five...That fact isn't random, it is applicable to the point that seems to have escaped you
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Re: Of course it does, him establishing himself as a starter absolutely contradicts
Mar 16, 2025, 9:44 PM
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I’m gonna come back around to that iq test please. You are not making a valid argument. We did not play a 9 game season. And whether he was the 5th or 6th man was never the point. The point, you continue to dodge (or lack the intellect to grasp) is that we needed more depth and have 4 freshman (only one of whom saw meaningful minutes) and a top 100 redshirt freshman who were not utilized despite having ample opportunity throughout the season. Feel free to continue to expose yourself by deflecting further.
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
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Mar 16, 2025, 3:54 PM
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Coaches develop their teams as the season moves forward. Dillon Hunter had started seven of the last eight games to end the regular season (beginning with the Duke win). To call him the 6th man at this point in the season is incredibly ignorant for those that are watching the games. If we look at those last eight games under a microscope, Dylan is not only starting, but contributing across the stat sheet. I understand the shortsightedness of looking at the entire season, but the at the time of Dillon's injury, he was a starter and averaging #5 in points scored per game(last 8 regular season games).
I understand your need to minimize this given your usual crusade. In some strange way I wonder if you're actually happy he got hurt? It would help to bolster the “unmitigated disaster” comment you made last year in predicting this season. It would also paint you as the type fan I believe you are.
I am hopeful that given a week of practice without Dillon in the rotation will help to strengthen our players in their enhanced roles.
Hunter since the Duke game:
6.4 ppg
5.5 A/T Ratio
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28 Minutes per game.
Despite your musings, its kind of a big deal. He's not Cooper Flagg, but also a huge part of our team. Here’s to Uncle Dill being ready for next season!
Go Tigers!
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We went on a 9 game win streak after he took Wiggins starting spot,
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Mar 16, 2025, 4:07 PM
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you would think a basketball fan would know that
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It is the same type of dishonesty we have come to expect from viztiz.
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Dillon is our best defender and arguably our best ball handler. He is also a fiery competitor the other guys feed off of.
His injury is a big loss for sure.
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I'm not sure he even watches the games***
Mar 16, 2025, 4:15 PM
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Re: It is the same type of dishonesty we have come to expect from viztiz.
Mar 16, 2025, 5:53 PM
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By what metric is that remotely true? Zackery is the best defensive guard in Clemson basketball history according to Allowat so I’m not sure how Dillon could be better. Defense doesn’t show up entirely on the stat sheet but he isn’t top 5 on the team on a per minute basis in a single defensive category. In fact, his most exemplary stat is being 3rd in assists/min. You might be aware that’s an offensive stat. As usual, you just throw stuff out assuming you won’t be fact checked.
Further, I’ve haven’t said anything negative about Dillon. My point, which was clear as day yet all of you seem to be avoiding, is that there was very little development behind him. Del Jones got some decent minutes. But we have 3 other true freshman and an RS freshman who were supposed to be very strong. They were supposed to be indicative of Brownell’s ability to recruit with all the investments in his program. But it looks increasingly like we will live and die exclusively by the portal as Schieff and Chase Hunter move on.
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
Mar 16, 2025, 5:22 PM
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8 players saw meaningful minutes this season. By minutes played, 7 and 8 saw significantly less minutes than 4, 5, 6. Our lack of functional depth became an issue after he hurt his hand. Not one of your comments negates that reality. We supposedly have great recruits including a RS freshman who was supposed to be a stud. Better roster management may have enabled us to overcome his injury.
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
Mar 16, 2025, 5:40 PM
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Yeah, but did you have the foresight to tell us this earlier? Or is this your 20/20 hindsight? Good analysis in retrospect. Congrats.
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
Mar 16, 2025, 5:54 PM
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I don’t do consultancy work for free.
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
Mar 16, 2025, 6:00 PM
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LOL! I’ve always thought flapping your gums and providing doomsday predictions was your strong suit.
Dang, I had a spot for you next to D Bender. 🙂
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
Mar 16, 2025, 6:22 PM
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Based on how badly our staff is paid according to JK, I’m not sure I’d fit into the budget.
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
Mar 16, 2025, 6:56 PM
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I dont have a yarn board tracking all JKs stuff, do you? JK Derangement syndrome? I know, I know, it racist or something, but he’s not celebrating our players getting hurt. 🙂
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
Mar 16, 2025, 7:18 PM
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No, he just thinks their family members dying is worth some off-color jokes yet you think he’s the good guy.
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Re: Before we move on to a question that difficult
Mar 16, 2025, 7:42 PM
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Out of material? Bummer. 🙂 Guess we can still be disappointed. Maybe Dillon broke his hand on purpose per Brad’s instruction. You might come up with some BS narrative like that. Sad!
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He is a "key contributor" which is how it was framed. It in unsurprising that you didn't know that dillon was inserted into the starting lineup.
It would be nice to replace our injury with a top 20 recruit. Btw, Isaiah Evans played similar minutes that del and heidbreder played.
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I started the thread
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I mentioned Duke and Louisville losing key players in Flagg and Smith and it being a perfect storm for us to win the ACCT. You then inserted Dillon Hunter into the conversation. He is not the same as the other 2, stop trying to a change this into something it is not. Of course D Hunter is a contributor on this team. No one is saying he isn’t, but you are wrong if you think that Hunter belongs in the same conversation contribution wise as Flagg and Smith. And if you do think that, you don’t understand basketball.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-forum/message/this-year-was-the-perfect-storm-36575075
Message was edited by: Francis Marion®
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Re: I started the thread
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Dillon, don’t let FM get you down. You are a great player. Get well soon.
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Re: Brownell really has the haters spoiled.
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Brownell got better during the NIL era.
Basically pulled a reverse Dabo (who appt finally see the light)
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Hes been using transfer players for his entire career.***
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I dont think wants to win championships = hate.
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You may want to google it.
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Bingo.
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The way people overuse the word “hate” is just really bizarre.
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No one is denying this is one of the best two-year runs
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And Clemson, basketball history… But at some point a coach needs to bring home some hardware
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Re: No one is denying this is one of the best two-year runs
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Maybe I'm on the lunatic fringe (lot of that with basketball), but for our program I'd be happy with an ACC Title and a consistent two or three game run in the tourney every year. Obviously I'd be thrilled to go beyond that, but for our program's history, resources, and trajectory...I feel like a solid ACC showing and multi-year appearances at the NCAA tourney is in line with what we should expect.
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I like your Lunatic Fringe wierdo***
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Re: Brownell really has the haters spoiled.
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I think you’re Judging the situation incorrectly.
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Re: Brownell really has the haters spoiled.
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lol I see you 👀. Well done!
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Re: Brownell really has the haters spoiled.
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Thank you
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It would have been nice to win the ACC tournament, but it wasn't expected.
It's concerning we can't hit shots and are missing free throws at the worst possible time in the season.
Yes, the same thing happened last year. Hopefully we see similar results in the NCAAs.
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Re: Brownell really has the haters spoiled.
Mar 16, 2025, 10:04 AM
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Yeah we are missing that pure shooter who also plays great D at either 2 or the 3.
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We were favored, #######***
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Because we are good this year.
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Favored teams lose every week.
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So we shouldnt expect to win when we are favored. Got it. JC some of you...***
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I think it's kind of being a baby. Name a single team that has't lost a game
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they were supposed to win.
What you seem to be missing is that having that expectation has nothing to do with reality. At all.
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I was hopeful but not expecting a ACCT championship. I did expect us to play better throughout the game though and not be down by 15 late. 6 plus minute scoring drought. Dillon injury didn't help things. But we had plenty of opportunities just missed way too many shots.
When you are the 10th ranked team the expectation is to give the 13th ranked a better game. The players gave all they could in the final 4 minutes or so. Just can't be in that big of a hole to start with.
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Expectations go hand in hand with excellent coaching.
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If we are not supposed to have high expectations for a record-breaking season and believe a top coach has turned the corner, then what in the world are we doing here? Do we have leadership we can count on? Still can't win multiple games in the ACCT, once again against a team we're favored against to make that so?
That's an incredibly obtuse OP and you're sadly moving goalposts of your own. Either Brad, through his excellence in his field, has raised our expectations accordingly, or we're in the same hamster spin cycle.
It's okay to believe we can win big. This defeatist attitude by the Brad Brigade, especially now, is very sad.
Go Tigers!
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Exactly. This is a record breaking season and one of the best Clemson
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teams in history. Some say the best. So yeah, you’re darn right we have expectations. With that being said, just making the tournament is not enough. I thought making the ACC tournament championship was the expectation as well as making a deep run in NCAAT.
The ACCT was a disappointment.
Anything less than a sweet 16 will mean this was NOT a successful season, going by the warranted, elevated expectations of the program just as you said.
I’m not sure what the OP is talking about? Who hates Brad Brownell? We just need him to show consistency and repeatability now. Anything short of achieving a sweet 16 would be considered a failure with this team.
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So the team that Brownell built has earned high expectations with success.
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And that means, because of this positive reputation that was earned with actual success, that if you get disappointed and all the crazy variables involved in March Madness don't produce a specific number of wins, regardless of refs, matchups, location, player health etc. that means it's all a failure?
Doesn't that seem arbitrary to you? Shouldn't we expect to have teams consistently in a position to compete for a multi-win run or an ACC championship? When OP was here, he showed us a pattern of falling flat in the tourney every year. Brownell has already established that is not his limitation. His limitations involved consistently fielding a team that made us relevant. So if we lose an unexpected game against March Madness, it is foolish to throw the baby our with the bathwater and declare the season a failure. We have a great team that can compete with the elite two years in a row. THAT meets expectations.
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Yes. We should expect to win.
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Yes we should be expected to compete for the ACCT.
Yes we should be expected to reach at least a sweet 16.
Goal 1 was a disappointment. Hoped goal 2 isn’t, but there are no excuses.
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I didn't say nor do I believe this season is a failure due to another
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Mar 16, 2025, 12:10 PM
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regularly scheduled ACCT disappointment. The OP is obsessed though with driving wedges among fans and the coach. Was he not disappointed? If not, why? If so, why this petty bluster? Many Brad doubters see he has turned the corner and is creating actual optimism, and higher expectations which go hand in hand. Does the OP not possess high expectations? Not optimistic? Does he not truly believe in his Brad? #### move here.
Two NCAAT's in a row is definitely a success for this program. Thrilled that Brad could pull that off - been a long time coming. And I hope Brad and his players and the staff have higher expectations than the OP though, and most of us at this point, for what comes next. They certainly showed that last season.
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Paw Warrior [5088]
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It's all in the way you approach it.
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Mar 16, 2025, 2:09 PM
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During football season, I think like a football fan -- a loss is a loss. They lost.
During basketball season, I pivot and starting thinking like a basketball fan -- a loss is not a loss. It's just failing to win.
I'm much happier now that I've comprehended and apprehended these differing approaches to winning and losing.
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Clemson Icon [24197]
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You are right. It's because of a T-Net poster people are weird about BBall.***
Mar 16, 2025, 10:59 AM
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Ring of Honor [22194]
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Re: You are right. It's because of a T-Net poster people are weird about BBall.***
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Mar 16, 2025, 2:35 PM
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Some definitely are weird but to be fair the basketball crowd would be ripping Dabo a new one for not winning. I don’t see what’s wrong with wanting to win an ACC title in basketball. NC State did it last year but for some reason it shouldn’t be something we should be able to do.
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Orange Elite [5386]
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So if we play a ranked (but less than us), 20-win team in the NCAA team
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in the NCAAT, we shouldn’t expect to win??
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CU Medallion [18428]
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Re: So if we play a ranked (but less than us), 20-win team in the NCAA team
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Mar 16, 2025, 11:17 AM
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Expectations aren’t allowed for Clemson basketball.
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Ring of Honor [22194]
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Re: So if we play a ranked (but less than us), 20-win team in the NCAA team
Mar 16, 2025, 8:13 PM
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Apparently so yet the same crowd expects national championship or bust from football
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Orange Elite [5281]
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Re: Brownell really has the haters spoiled.
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Mar 16, 2025, 11:59 AM
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Just a reminder after this best team ever did manage to tie CBB's best-effort of winning 1 ACCT game. This was last year. Seems to me that the same exact statement could be made this year.
Brownell on blowout loss to BC in 2024 ACCT (yet another one-and-done): "Thoroughly outplayed us...We just weren't quite ready. Ultimately that's on me. I don't really understand it. I thought we were. But we looked a half step slow and lacked urgency, and then I thought when we got behind, that's probably not great for us. We haven't been behind a lot this year, and we probably panicked a little bit, and we had a hard time."
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Hall of Famer [8765]
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So B-Rad has assembled a #### good team and staff
Mar 16, 2025, 12:07 PM
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and still can’t get multiple wins in ACCT?
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Paw Warrior [5088]
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0 conference titles.
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Mar 16, 2025, 1:46 PM
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0 national titles.
Yeah, right.
So very spoiled.
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Rival Killer [2888]
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Re: 0 conference titles.
Mar 16, 2025, 8:17 PM
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Tennessee fans agree, along with several others.
Bring back Rick Barnes! Oh wait.
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