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TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 4:55 PM
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Rival Killer [2751]
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 5:29 PM
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We really need to secure another top ranked QB. You have to figure that a lot of the offensive players want to play for, not only a winner, but an offense where they can exhibit their talent.
Saban retired. UGA has had some success. Oh st has faded a bit. Playing field seems to have leveled a bit. Nil seems to have tipped kids into going places where they might not have considered before. Obviously upset that we're not pulling in the #1 class every year, but the waters sure seem a whole lot muddier than before.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 2, 2024, 10:30 AM
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Ohio State has faded a bit? They have the number one ranked class for 2025. Ohio State is dominating recruiting.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 2, 2024, 10:59 AM
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Ohio State has faded a bit... LOL!!
I stopped reading after that line. They are loaded both this year and the foreseeable future.
Further, with the size and passion of that alumni base, their NIL $$$ is going to be tough to contend with for years to come.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 5:39 PM
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Here is the frustrating thing for many of us fans. Clemson went 0-2 on recruiting targets today both of those targets raved about how great their Clemson visit was & how nowhere was quiet like Clemson & their culture. Yet, when it comes time to making their decision it seems as if other factors are superseding all that. All we can do is wonder where we are coming up short. I admit I beyond frustrated.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 5:42 PM
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The truth is culture, facilities play a smaller role. Still important and we should always make them a priority....but better decide if you want to play the game or be satisfied with ± four loss seasons.
You cant refuse the play the portal game and then have contingencies abt how HS are being paid. Look, I agree with the ideal......but it wont work in todays environment. There isn't enough elite difference makers out there, who don't care abt the $$$, that are going to make us NC caliber on a consistent basis.
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Game Changer [1774]
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 8:09 PM
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BIG NIL Money!
No mystery……
SEC money does it again…..
Just like Nick Saban said!!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
Jul 1, 2024, 11:42 PM
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BIG NIL Money!
No mystery……
SEC money does it again…..
Just like Nick Saban said!!!
BIG NIL Money!
No mystery……
SEC money does it again…..
Just like Nick Saban said!!!
ACC! ACC! ACC!
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Solid Orange [1318]
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 5:48 PM
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Those things are important. In 2016, they made all the difference. However, as crazy as it seems, that was almost 10 years ago. Now that players can be paid, indirectly and directly, they simply will not be as important going forward. I think it is as simple as that.
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Associate AD [1089]
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 5:51 PM
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Sadly I think you are 100% correct. But you still understand how frustrating it is?
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110%er [4057]
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Your frustration will INCREASE as time goes by - CU is playing in a high
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Jul 1, 2024, 11:49 PM
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…stakes poker game with an EXORBITANT ante.
If you don’t have the money for the ANTE, you cannot play. You MUST find a lower stakes game.
At present, Clemson is going from table to table trying to get into a game, but is being turned away because they can’t pay the ante.
NOTHING will change here. College football is an unregulated professional league. That “thing” they used to call a student-athlete is GONE.
Clemson is a small football school that exceeded expectations in winning 3 national championships through coaching and recruiting football student-athletes on a much more level playing field than has now been established.
We now see the beginning of the end for Clemson football to be in that Top 10 or Elite 5. It is hard for me to say that, but it just seems as clear as day to me that if Clemson chooses to remain as a Division IA program, they will become that team that is scheduled as a “sure-win”, just as Clemson schedules teams like SC State, Presbyterian, etc.
I know that Clemson has to try to get that seat at the table for at least another 5 years, but after that, Clemson will most likely need to find its place in the FCS. And, I’m personally, quite fine with that destiny.
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Re: Your frustration will INCREASE as time goes by - CU is playing in a high
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Jul 2, 2024, 7:59 AM
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Might as well just pack up your toys, go home and play all by your little self.
Quit your pathetic whining and go play with that other team in coot-lumbia
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Re: Your frustration will INCREASE as time goes by - CU is playing in a high
Jul 2, 2024, 9:39 AM
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*portal game, i meant.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 5:51 PM
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I don't wonder why we are coming up short, and I don't mean to be disrespectful. The sport is simply Pay-For-Play now. It's professional. And we don't have the money to match the top offers being made.
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WE DO HAVE...
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Jul 1, 2024, 6:00 PM
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the $$$$.
Thats a false narrative. Its where/how we are choosing to spend it. We are holding onto an unrealistic, albeit honorable ideal, that isn't working given today's CFB environment
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We have some of the highest paid coaches ...
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Jul 1, 2024, 7:10 PM
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Clemson spent a fortune eliminating parking spots to make a nice walkway for Tiger Walk that few Clemson fans watch.
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Re: We have some of the highest paid coaches ...
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Jul 1, 2024, 7:17 PM
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Millions were spent on that stupid walk way and beautiful old trees had to die, but hey, Dabo thought he could sell it to recruits…..
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Re: We have some of the highest paid coaches ...
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Jul 1, 2024, 7:34 PM
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Clemson spent a fortune eliminating parking spots to make a nice walkway for Tiger Walk that few Clemson fans watch.
A few?...
I went to the tiger walk vs free shoes..
There were more than a few out there...
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Re: We have some of the highest paid coaches ...
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Jul 1, 2024, 8:57 PM
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Yea I’m not making assumptions that ppl saying that have never been , but if you have been to tiger walk especially for a decent game it’s always packed out.
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Re: WE DO HAVE...
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Jul 1, 2024, 8:15 PM
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IMO that is BS, if we had the money don't you think that Dabo would have let Matt Luke have that OL recruit that he wanted, and we lost him to Wisconsin!!!
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Re: WE DO HAVE...
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Jul 1, 2024, 8:44 PM
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You dont pay what we pay our staff and not have enough. Ridiculous
Its widely known he doesnt guarantee NIL upfront.
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Re: WE DO HAVE...
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Jul 1, 2024, 9:46 PM
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Exactly. Additionally, coaches salaries, Tiger Walk and other upgrades have nothing to do with NIL. Completely different bucket of money. And no, you can’t transfer funding into NIL.
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This is such a cop out. Please stop.
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Jul 1, 2024, 11:31 PM
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We have plenty of money, we just don’t have a coach who is willing to make NIL a centerpiece of his sales pitch.
While I get Dabo’s frustration with what has become of college athletics, the reality is that these are the new, legal rules. Players can get paid for their endorsements - and they WANT to get paid. There is nothing wrong with that. I don’t blame them, and neither should you. This notion that these players are the problem and that they are greedy people with the wrong priorities has to stop.
Most people would consider their salary the most important factor in their employment. Sure, company culture matters. Believing in the company’s mission matters. A nice office environment matters. But at the end of the day, those things don’t trump the money, especially when someone has multiple job offers from companies who offer all of those other things too.
Dabo needs to wake up, and start looking at all of this differently.
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Re: This is such a cop out. Please stop.
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Jul 2, 2024, 9:45 AM
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nailed it.
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Re: This is such a cop out. Please stop.
Jul 2, 2024, 2:55 PM
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Dabo makes sure Brownlee gets all the nil money so that he can buy coached up players. Brownlee can’t develop good players.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
Jul 1, 2024, 10:04 PM
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Replying to pacontaco2001
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Orange Beast [6221]
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These recruits spoke very highly of EVERY school they visited.
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Jul 1, 2024, 10:19 PM
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You can see the same line of comments on the other schools’ boards. They’re being groomed from 10th grade on how to talk to and about schools.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
Jul 2, 2024, 11:16 AM
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While there is plenty to be concerned about, I wouldn’t be concerned about what he said. These kids are all coached on how to publicly behave. They are taught to speak words praise about any school they visit. It’s just good PR. And that way, they keep all of their options open. Nothing to be gained by them speaking their real mind. You have to take what these kids say with a grain of salt
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Good. Now we cant save the $$ to spend in the transfer portal
Jul 1, 2024, 5:52 PM
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……
Oh, wait….
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Rival Killer [2886]
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*can***
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SEC Matters and Noon Game Neff added Lacrosse
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 6:21 PM
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Adapt or get left behind. We still have not learned.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 6:49 PM
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I watched this guy's tape. I saw solid, not special. I don't see this as a major loss IMO.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 7:18 PM
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You serious Clark?
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 11:23 PM
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Clark may be correct that he wasn't elite top drawer like Sanders but to me, the perception that we can't even pull in high level talent isn't a good perception to have. We've lost on every level of offense on our 3rd or 4th choices.
And sadly tbh, we have lost on defense players too, corners and safeties. That said, we have stud coaches at that level who seem to develop non highly rated players to elite status.
I'm concerned we're having a hard time reeling in a mediocre 3* linebacker. Not saying the kid can't be great, but we're not really competing anymore against osu, bama, or uga. We're competing against fsu, lsu, wisky, ole miss and Oklahoma... kinda the second teir teams and struggle.
One can spin it with citing different services and current class rank but bottom line is recruiting has fallen off the last few years.
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Recruiting definitely seems to be a tier behind what it was.
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Jul 2, 2024, 12:32 AM
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But that’s not because we are in the ACC or because of NIL. It’s because we are recovering from some really poor assistant coach hires over the last 5 or so years - coaches who had no business being on our staff given their limited experience coaching and recruiting.
That played a huge role in our performance on the field as well.
Now we are left with a lack of recent high level success, and a weird mix of coaches who are either subpar or who seem to be great but haven’t proven it yet at Clemson.
Thankfully, we still have a fairly recent history of elite success, as well as NFL draft picks, but the shine has worn off of the slide in our football building as well as Dabo’s catchy phrases.
As I said in another post, it’s time for an update and a refresh. Our program has gotten stale. We know this because the market has spoken. The new marketing pitch needs to be led by Dabo, with a renewed enthusiasm that includes a very real embracing of NIL and the portal.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 6:56 PM
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At the end of the day, Clemson will need to leverage NIL and fill gaps with the transfer portal. It's not like I dobt agree with Dabo's philosophy, it's admirable, but we don't need to go all in on NIL or transfers to get back to the top, we just need to get a couple of portal guys, and maybe drop some $ on a top tier WR and QB and we are there. Maybe pay a couple big guys up front.
Either way, we still have a solid class coming in, and it's not always about what you missed out on but more about who you got. I hope some of these other wide outs come our way, but we absolutely need to get an elite line.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 7:36 PM
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Starting to remind of the early 90's when the program was slipping under Hatfield. Took two decades to recover.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
Jul 1, 2024, 8:07 PM
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Lulz.
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You're telling me he doesn't want to fly accross the country to play Cal
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Jul 1, 2024, 7:43 PM
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and then the very next week fly north to play Boston College?
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
Jul 1, 2024, 8:37 PM
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Nice move Venables. Geez!
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 8:41 PM
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$$$$$$$$$ means more than Daboisms and ROY busses.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
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Jul 1, 2024, 10:30 PM
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These recruits are following the money and nothing more. Their advisors are instilling this in them. Selling to the highest bidder and unfortunately, their parents are following along.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
Jul 2, 2024, 10:00 AM
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Parents following/pushing. Kids making ridiculous amounts of money and haven't proven a thing yet. This reminds me of the NFL draft before they implemented a rookie salary structure, you'd have draft picks being paid more than same position veterans who hadn't played a single snap yet.
I've got less heartburn over a portal player getting paid than I do a kid coming out of high school. At least you've seen what the portal player has accomplished at the collegiate level, these high school kids are unknown and may be a bust, or could be the next Heisman winner, who knows.
I just know I hate what college football has turned into.
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Re: TNET: Clemson offensive targets commit elsewhere
Jul 2, 2024, 11:18 PM
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Well that is a stone cold bummer. I was expecting us to get at least one of them.
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