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Varsity [131]
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Transfer portal and FSU
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By now, everyone has seen the outcome of FSU going hard and heavy into the transfer portal and how their season has been. I've been saying that you can't take a large group out of the portal and expect them all to be on the same sheet of music in one season. The expectations were well beyond their reach. Now, people are saying that he should've taken the Dabo approach and only went after a few needed players. I say what a bunch of hypocrites. You all was screaming that Dabo was wrong for not bringing in players from the portal and his way of thinking is outdated. Yet, when another coach fails at it, you want to preach that Dabo was right. You can't have it both ways. I myself think Dabo's approach is best. Why go after a bunch of money chasers who don't care about the team and as soon as things seem bad, they jump right back into the portal. You build for the future, not the right now. In the end, ya'll scream when he doesn't use the portal like some think he should but then praise him for not using it when another coach fails when using the portal. Make up your minds.
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Paw Master [17288]
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it all depends
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Nov 11, 2024, 5:48 PM
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worked well for them last year and not so much this year. but likewise indiana has 31 portals on this years team and is undefeated
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TigerNet Icon [155430]
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I think it's feast or famine with the portal.***
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Nov 11, 2024, 6:32 PM
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Associate AD [1090]
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Re: it all depends
Nov 12, 2024, 8:36 AM
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Very similar to FSU. It’s great this season but what’s the forecast for next season?
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Legend [7050]
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Re: Transfer portal and FSU
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Nov 11, 2024, 5:50 PM
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Literally nobody has ever argued that Clemson should lean into the portal as heavily as FSU has. We’ve only ever argued for a handful each year, not the 17 like FSU signed last year.
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Walk-On [70]
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Re: Transfer portal and FSU
Nov 12, 2024, 1:28 PM
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They only did that because they had to replenish a depleted roster due to Jimbo leaving and the poor recruiting afterwards. They had the money to quickly rebuild so they threw everything into that
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Rival Killer [3010]
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Re: Transfer portal and FSU
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Nov 11, 2024, 5:54 PM
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You can use the portal in many different ways. Im not sure why this is so hard for people to understand.
FSU has been using the portal to build their entire team. I have never heard a clemson fan advocate for that. What i have heard people advocate for is bringing in 3-4 players per cycle to fill key needs and to replace outgoing portal players. That is reasonable and absolutely needs to happen for us to keep up. We are the only school aside from the military academies that didnt have an incoming transfer this previous cycle.
It doesnt have to be one extreme or the other.
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Game Day Hero [4465]
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Dabo has attempted the portal.
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Nov 11, 2024, 7:18 PM
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He is very selective in who he goes after. He wants people that fit into the culture at Clemson. He doesn't want disruptive players that will call everything to fall apart. He went after four different players that I know of for this season. All four chose other schools over Clemson. I'm sure three of them were financial. However, one chose Georgia Tech over Clemson because he was seeking an engineering degree that was available at Georgia Tech and not at Clemson. I'll let Dabo do his job and I'll keep doing mine.
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Paw Warrior [4893]
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Re: Dabo has attempted the portal.
Nov 12, 2024, 8:38 AM
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Exactly what is the culture he’s trying to preserve? I mean Ohio St, Alabama, Oregon, Texas, Ole Miss and a bunch of other programs use the portal and no culture issues so far, so not sure where this malarkey comes from. It’s just an excuse is what it is!
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Associate AD [1090]
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Re: Dabo has attempted the portal.
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Nov 12, 2024, 8:39 AM
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Can’t force them to come if they don’t want to be at Clemson.
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Offensive Star [344]
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Re: Dabo has attempted the portal.
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Nov 12, 2024, 10:57 AM
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MONEY seems to be the greatest issue for players. Greed, noteriety, NFL dreams.
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Campus Hero [13855]
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Dabo has not REALLY attempted to use the portal
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Nov 12, 2024, 10:57 AM
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He's made a token effort at best.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Dabo whiffs in the portal because portal guys know he doesn't like it
Nov 12, 2024, 11:47 AM
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...and that he's against up front NIL.
That equates to two reasons for them to go elsewhere.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Orange Elite [5553]
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Re: Transfer portal and FSU
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Nov 11, 2024, 6:18 PM
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Are some of y’all diagnosed as highly functioning down syndrome inflicted fans? 95% have questioned why not plug areas where we know we are thin. DE this year, and obviously we’re in a heck of mess next year at RB. If Clemson goes into 2025 with a 160lb RB in Haynes, it’s going to be bad. We’ve been very fortunate this year that Mafah has stayed relatively healthy
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CU Guru [1543]
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I think we'll be fine at RB. LB & DL- yes. Maybe OL & a QB
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Nov 11, 2024, 6:39 PM
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The qb to develop for depth and challenge Viz as QB2. Maybe a TE for depth but I like the guys behind Briningstool. We will just have to see who declares and who transfers and plug those spots where we don't have freshmen coming in that can play right away.
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All-In [10313]
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Re: I think we'll be fine at RB. LB & DL- yes. Maybe OL & a QB
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Nov 11, 2024, 6:52 PM
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We are not deep enough at LB, RB, DL, especially DE and I would venture to say we need another quality WR. We have good starters but quality falls drastically, just look at what happens with 2nd & 3rd string Def when we pulled 1st string.
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Orange Blooded [2121]
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Re: I think we'll be fine at RB. LB & DL- yes. Maybe OL & a QB
Nov 12, 2024, 10:46 AM
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You have the number one rated TE redshirted I believe in Bentacourt (sp). You have Sapp and Patt-Henry. Those young men will be fine.
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Legend [6983]
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Re: Transfer portal and FSU
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Nov 11, 2024, 6:55 PM
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Lane Kiffin went hard and heavy in the portal.
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Offensive Star [344]
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Re: Transfer portal and FSU
Nov 12, 2024, 10:58 AM
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At a school like Ole Miss, you have to.
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Tiger Spirit [9778]
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Re: Transfer portal and FSU
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Nov 11, 2024, 7:01 PM
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The reason that FSU took so many transfers is they lost many players last year to graduation and transfer. You can only recruit so many kids and one of reasons we have not taken Portal guys is we have not lost many to the Portal. Roster management is all about numbers.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Exactly.
Nov 12, 2024, 11:51 AM
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What was Nit ell supposed to do?
Inky have 40 scholarship guys on his roster?
His primary problem isn't portal guys.
It's the Big Stinko portal guy.
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Legend [6702]
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Re: Transfer portal and FSU
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Nov 11, 2024, 7:08 PM
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I agree with his stance on the portal. He offered several OL but they chose to go elsewhere.
1 - Many of the top transfers already have a destination before they enter the portal. Dabo will not tamper.
2 - The other top transfers will entertain a bidding war. Dabo will not enter into a bidding war.
3 - They will also want playing time. Dabo will not guarantee playing time.
4 - They have to have high character, and be the type of player he would have recruited. Dabo will not compromise on this.
So do you want him to tamper, enter into bidding wars, guarantee playing time, or sign players with questionable character, or a combination ?
It is not hubris or stubbornness, it is part of who he is. Time will tell if will change his stance, or perhaps he will retire, but I hope not.
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Tiger Spirit [9787]
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Re: Transfer portal and FSU
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Nov 11, 2024, 8:56 PM
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Beautifully summarized.
Next, be ready for someone to respond to with ‘yeah, OK, but why doesn’t Dabo get 3 or 4 players from the portal each year’?
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Game Changer [2083]
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Re: Transfer portal and FSU
Nov 11, 2024, 9:02 PM
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Ask Miami how the portal is working for them…. I think for key positions like QB, it can work….. what if FSU got Ward and Miami got DJU…. I think the outcome would be very different…. Portal is a tool not a full out solution, the teams that do well with it have a few key adds at impact player and/or for depth…. Use it as a tool, not to build an entire team…
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Tiger Titan [46614]
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If it isnt possible to successfully use the portal or NIL
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Nov 12, 2024, 8:48 AM
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then perhaps Dabo shouldn’t be coaching and we shouldn’t have a football program.
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Game Changer [1989]
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Re: Transfer portal and FSU
Nov 12, 2024, 11:11 AM
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Moderation is generally the key to most things in life.
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Orange Immortal [67583]
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I'm not sure you can fairly assess which approach is "best"...
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Nov 12, 2024, 7:07 AM
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My concern is that when you have players leave (i.e., enter the portal) each year, which admittedly hasn't been a big problem for Clemson, if you are relying on high school recruits (who need time to mature and develop) to replace them as opposed to finding more experienced players in the portal, you run the risk of having a team that is going to be perpetually young.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Clemson list 14 athletes to the portal after the Gator Bowl.
Nov 12, 2024, 1:40 PM
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Several of them are starting at other schools.
Notably, Mukuba and Beaux Collins are starting for teams ranked above us.
(Texas and Notre Dame, respectively)
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Clemson Conqueror [11168]
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Dabo DOES need to use the portal.........Dabo does NOT need to go........
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Nov 12, 2024, 7:12 AM
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All in with the portal. How difficult is that for some of you to understand????
The portal is used in different ways for different teams...........some need a lot of portal guys............some need a few..........EVERYBODY needs to utilize it b/c EVERYBODY loses to the portal. Saying Dabo's approach is the best is sticking your head in the sand..........if it was BEST then we'd still be ELITE. Our program has been ridiculed b/c we went from the top 1-2 programs every year to 3-4 losses per year and struglling w/ the likes of Louisville, NCstate, & Dukes each year in a blink of an eye.
The results the last 4 years speak for themselves........underperformed in a pathetic conference w/ a large drop off from the ELITE years.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Tell 'em nothing since 1969 coot. No one knows losing better than you.
Nov 12, 2024, 8:26 AM
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Game Day Hero [4176]
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Long term success is not possible with high number portal players
Nov 12, 2024, 7:34 AM
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You might catch lightning in a bottle. But at what damage to your recruiting base? At the end of the day, that high school base is your culture and life blood. It simply will not sustain good consistent play.
Betting all your chips on a gamble is not smart. You might win (once in a blue moon), but not in the long run.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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False dilemma.******
Nov 12, 2024, 1:36 PM
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Clemson Icon [26933]
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Anecdotal story about FSU and portal.
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First, I agree with you. I hate the fact that the NCAA has set up the rules so that every player is a free agent every year. That is not sustainable. It has to be and will be changed in the coming years.
When Norvell got to FSU the problem was the talent was so poor he had no choice but to use the portal, especially since COVID hit as soon as he got there and the coaches could not go out on the road recruiting..
But, he who lives by the portal shall die by the portal. Once you start using it, it is hard to get off of it because you have so many players who you recruit who are upper classmen and only have 1 year (or maybe 2)of eligibility left. So, vetting the players, for their attitude as well as there work ethic is crucial.
Norvell hit a home run his first two years. Brought in guys with great work ethic. Brought in guys who were "all in" to the program. Brought in guys who loved the NIL money but knew the "big money" was in the NFL and they worked their butts off to get drafted, and get drafted high.
Well, here's the anecdote. This was reported on a Nole board so take it as nothing more than that. A member of that board was at the ND game. He spoke with the parents of a player and asked what was wrong with the team this year. The answer was, "Too many of these guys are satisfied wih the NIL money. They know they aren't going to NFL and they don't care. They've got their money now and they are enjoying it now. They aren't thinking about what happens when they leave."
That's the problem with NIL. Not just for portal but also for HS kids. Give an 18 year old 50K, much less 500K, and expect him to act like a 40 year old.
That's why I admire the way Clemson is running their NIL. Kids are being taught, far better than most schools, that NIL money is available if you EARN it, and they are being taught how to manage the money they have earned.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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The NCAA didn't "set up" that rule .
Nov 12, 2024, 11:55 AM
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The federal court did in the Ohio vs NCAA case.
The old rule violated the Sherman Antitrust Act. If the transfer crossed state lines, it also violated the Interstate Commerce Act
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Tiger Titan [46614]
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Oregon took 14 players from the portal this year.
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Nov 12, 2024, 7:55 AM
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Seems to be working out pretty well for them.
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Clemson Icon [24892]
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Tell 'em shill I
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Orange Blooded [2121]
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Re: Oregon took 14 players from the portal this year.
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Oregon also has a blank check from Phil Knight. Who's backing Clemson's paycheck? Us? LOL sit this one out Judge. Schools like that can pick and choose who they want and have the money to back it. Clemson doesn't. Some of the old heads in here need to use them. We don't have money like that. How do you guys know if Dabo isn't asking for assistance through the portal and is getting stonewalled because of how much these kids are getting. Ohio State said they spent 22 Million on their roster. Jimbo payed 30 Million and what did it do for either of those schools? Did OSU or TAMU win anything? NOPE but they made huge splashes in the portal. Congrats?? We talking about winning and sustaining winning. You cant do that with portal pick ups every year. You're hiring mercenaries. Paid for hire and if things don't go their way they are clearing it on these schools. What if we spend a million or so and the kids gets injured or doesn't think he's being paid properly. He clears it. OOPS Now yall are even more mad. lol
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Re: Transfer portal and FSU
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We will see if Dabo's if we need it we will use it stance holds true, because I can unequivocally 100% say that we need it at DE. A LB and DT for depth would not be a bad idea either.
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Valley Protector [1433]
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Re: Transfer portal and FSU
Nov 12, 2024, 11:04 AM
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I don’t think you can build a whole team through portal and it’s showing for FSU. Last year they had a QB that been there for 3-4 years and then added some nice pieces on offense and defense but still had some really good players he recruited. This year he went full portal and that doesn’t work. Imo the best way to use the portal is to bring in a couple of guys that are needed like DE this year but not a whole team. Go Tigers!!!
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Word***
Nov 12, 2024, 11:26 AM
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Classic Appeal to outliers logical fallacy.
Nov 12, 2024, 11:45 AM
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Last year it was Colorado. They have taken more portal guys than anyone else and now they have the same record as us.
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Game Changer [1688]
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Re: Classic Appeal to outliers logical fallacy.
Nov 12, 2024, 11:58 AM
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I don't understand the NCAA allowing a transfer at will through the portal policy. NFL players can't jump ship every year unless their contract is up.
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [99534]
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Re: Transfer portal and FSU
Nov 12, 2024, 1:26 PM
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Only at Clemson after people trying to justify not using the portal. Stop worrying about how FSU screwed up. It's FSU for God's sake. They screw up everything.
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Tiger Spirit [9504]
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I can have it any way I want, and you can't do she it about it.
Nov 12, 2024, 4:12 PM
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For the record, I hate the port hole and believe that it has helped ruin college football.
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Dynasty Maker [3142]
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Actually, it saved college football
Nov 12, 2024, 5:12 PM
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From being bankrupted and put out of business by the federal courts.
You should be grateful to the Ohio Attorney General.
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