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TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
Dec 4, 2024, 5:52 PM
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reminds me of a bare cupboard***
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Dec 4, 2024, 5:56 PM
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Re: reminds me of a bare cupboard***
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Dec 4, 2024, 6:09 PM
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It seems like there is some nice talent there, but obviously too small. We need an amazing class in 2026 or the writing is on the wall as far as declining. That said, I like this class and I think we are in the right track, as long as 2026 is skrong.
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Re: reminds me of a bare cupboard***
Dec 7, 2024, 12:20 AM
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I see it like this, Dabo and the staff has until February 5th to try and replace the ones who didn't have the first clue of what commitment means, and we don't realize how lucky we are that they went back on their word bc they were of pretty poor character and anyone of them could have been that really bad apple that could've infected our entire bunch of recruits that wanted to be a Tiger and play at Clemson university...
We've all heard at some time in our life that one thing or another was a blessing in disguise, well those few recruits that were never taught the meaning of commitment, it was a blessing for the team that they decommitted before they're poor character had a chance to rub off on any of the high character kids that were taught the meaning of commitment, and they were blessed when those few bad apples took their poor character elsewhere!!! Go Tigers!!!!
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Re: reminds me of a bare cupboard***
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Dec 7, 2024, 12:32 AM
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This is such a dumb post. I'm a Clemson grad. I mostly enjoyed my time there. But it's a university. You pay them a lot of money for a piece of paper that will increase your employability. That's it. You can be close with your classmates/roommates, but the university administration is entirely apathetic to you if it can't benefit them. It's why the only time you hear from them is when they want money.
It's even more of a business exchange for football players, who are shuttled into fake degrees and crip courses. They go to a school for two things: (1) to play for championships, (3) to make NIL money, and (2) to make it to the NFL. If a player gets to Clemson and isn't good enough, you have 0 issue with them riding the bench for their career. You don't have any loyalty towards them unless they can produce. So why should they possess some extreme sense of loyalty and commitment to a school they never even attended?
The idea that it is a moral failing for them to choose a school that gives them a better chance at all three is absolutely insane. Anyone that would take Clemson over Michigan with a huge amount of NIL money is an idiot. Michigan is a better football program than us right now. They're the defending champions who just beat Ohio State. We are 2-8 against top 25 teams in the past 4 years and this year got beaten by every good team we've played. Michigan offers players far, far more money to play there guaranteeing instant money for the risk they put their bodies through. Michigan has had 33 players drafted in the last 4 drafts. We've had 18 (and that includes the class with Trevor Lawrence, ETN, and Amari). On top of all that, Michigan is a significantly better school than Clemson academically.
But please tell me more about how a 17 year old kid choosing them has poor character.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
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Dec 4, 2024, 5:57 PM
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We should sign really small classes more often!!!
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3-2-1***
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Dec 4, 2024, 6:08 PM
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Re: 3-2-1***
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Dec 4, 2024, 6:11 PM
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Better bring in more Matt Luke type coaches for player development, several ain’t cutting it.
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Re: 3-2-1***
Dec 7, 2024, 12:22 AM
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We should all hope that our HC has noticed that himself!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
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Dec 4, 2024, 6:16 PM
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So it reminds him of a small group willing to take a chance on an unproven coach, because a 2x National Champion shouldn’t be having those same struggles.
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Well, that's like comparing a Democrat and a Republican
Dec 4, 2024, 9:38 PM
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I like to refer to the handy Tigernet Scholarship Breakdown in times like these.
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Dec 4, 2024, 6:27 PM
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It appears we have a relatively large number of returning players. We'll probably have a few transfers out, but not as many as in the past. We've redshirted a lot of guys. Not a lot of playing time available anywhere, espectially at safety and corner for true freshmen.
https://www.tigernet.com/view/scholarships/football.do
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Re: I like to refer to the handy Tigernet Scholarship Breakdown in times like these.
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Dec 4, 2024, 6:32 PM
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Logic and rational thinking on TNet???!
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Re: I like to refer to the handy Tigernet Scholarship Breakdown in times like these.
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Dec 4, 2024, 7:51 PM
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Hopefully our next class won’t be the “Fabulous Five” …
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Re: I like to refer to the handy Tigernet Scholarship Breakdown in times like these.
Dec 4, 2024, 9:06 PM
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I’m thinking the Slab 5, like Rick Barnes first class
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Re: I like to refer to the handy Tigernet Scholarship Breakdown in times like these.
Dec 7, 2024, 12:46 AM
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This argument doesn't hold much water. We're losing 4 from our 2 deep in the secondary. Michigan is losing 5, so it's pretty much a wash. Our secondaries are ranked very close to one another statistically, but our average opponent's passing offense was #62, while theirs was #39. I think it's really hard to conclude that there's a meaningful difference in playing time opportunities between the two schools, especially since we run a lot more nickels than they do.
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After the best 15 years in Clemson football history
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Dec 4, 2024, 8:05 PM
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Every recruit knows Clemson, our success and the power of the paw.
Yet, we're back to signing classes equivalent to a first time interim coach following many mediocre seasons.
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Re: After the best 15 years in Clemson football history
Dec 7, 2024, 12:28 AM
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Whooo, for a second there I thought you were about to call Dabo out, but from how you described them as having many mediocre seasons, that wasn't Dabo!!!
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Re: After the best 15 years in Clemson football history
Dec 7, 2024, 12:52 AM
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I don't really agree with you here. I'm sure they know Clemson, but we're more removed from our success than you think, especially for a high school kid. Let's take a high school junior. They were in 5th grade the last time we won a championship. They were 10 years old, and probably didn't even watch football then. In the time they've been considering football, we've been a good, but not great team. Then they have coaches in their ear telling them that Clemson are has-beens with a coach that can't adapt to the times. And that matches what they see. So I think the "power of the paw" is less powerful than you think. That's why a win on Saturday and a good showing in the playoffs is so important. You have to remind them and prove the naysayers wrong. If you can't, then it's pretty much over.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
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Dec 4, 2024, 10:18 PM
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Dabos disbelief in the transfer portal and how we don’t use NIL like other colleges do has certainly hurt us. Another issue has been the lack of development when inexperienced coaches were promoted. I understand that Dabo wanted to provide opportunities he was provided when he moved from interim coach to head coach, but he took on too many inexperienced position coaches at once.
The brand has taken a big hit and other schools have been trending up while Clemson has been trending down. I am not suggesting the firing of the head coach, but pray he re evaluates some of the coaches and goes after top coaches from other schools for replacements.
We have a pretty good class coming in, but have little depth. I hope Dabo will supplement a few transfer portal players and get someone to better manage NIL so we can be competitive.
If no changes are made and more recruits are brought in, then I can’t help but think we could be in for another 9-3 regular season as other schools are adapting while we continue to fall behind. One thing I do notice is that just about every school has little depth compared to years past. It is especially noticeable this season.
The landscape is changing in college football. Kids might commit early to start the bidding wars. Someone from this site mentioned that they should get red of Signing Day and when a kid commits, he signs a contract for at least 1 or 2 years. It would be nice to have a cap on NIL, but schools would find a way around it.
We are lucky to get in the ACC Championship game this year and hope we win or keep it close. It’s kind of embarrassing an outside team joining the conference for the first time could be in it. It’s not like it’s a Georgia team or Oregon team either.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
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Dec 4, 2024, 10:28 PM
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Got to have the money to buy players. Probably fewer Clemson fans able to buy a player than other schools.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
Dec 5, 2024, 6:38 AM
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Clemson has the money. Before a major retook recently we were 17th largest NIL purse. After partnering with IPTAY and a very generous donor we vaulted into the top 10. Dabo needs to go buy a Cam Ward. A Travis Hunter. And some depth.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
Dec 5, 2024, 8:29 AM
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I would like to see that NIL analysis. Sounds surprising to me! I’m not as big on the portal, but these High School kids are signing for NIL money. It didn’t do Jimbo Fisher much good at TAMU, but we need it to boost 4 and 5 Star guys.
Go Tigers!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
Dec 7, 2024, 1:15 AM
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Jimbo thought that if he had unlimited elite players that he could win big, he forgot the #1 rule, you can't be successful with to many Chiefs and not enough Indians!!! To many elite players cause a lot of arguing and fighting within bc they feel they are better than the ones playing ahead of them...
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
Dec 7, 2024, 1:07 AM
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OneJedi NIL money comes from sponsors, those high profile guys in the portal are after the under the table type of money for them to play for any school, they are wanting millions, and the NIL sponsors aren't handing out that much money for a single player. That's why those high profile player went in the portal, they couldn't get what they want from the NIL at whatever school they were at, and that's 100% the reason they went to the portal, for more cash. Surely no one actually believe those high profile players are getting NIL money while hanging out in the portal, bc they're not getting a dime while in the portal. They're in the portal to make their own deal with a school that has lots of donor money to spend, and that's what they're after!!!
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
Dec 7, 2024, 12:50 AM
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Most fans refuse to believe that it takes millions to get the best players from the portal, but it does, and that means they're going to be pisssed at Dabo when he can't get those high dollar players to come play at Clemson. Most of our fans don't make enough money in a year that it takes to get those high dollar players from the portal!!!
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Both of your suggestions violate federal law.
Dec 5, 2024, 6:53 AM
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That why we have NIL and free transfers.
Lots of programs are thriving in the new paradigm. We aren't doing nearly as well as a lot of other schools because of Dabo's stubbornness.
Limited quality depth. No meaningful portal gets. 7 decommits. We already lost Stellato to to the portal, before the window even opens on December 9. If we lose to SMU that numer will probably increase.
Our special teams are bad. Our coaches, with limited exceptions are not developing guys like Dabo claims we do. Boneheaded in game moves like taking Sammy Brown out and letting Sellers shred us. 1-2 against SC and Beamer. 1-3 against teams with a pulse, and one play from losing to Pitt.
This isn't a recipe for trending up or even maintaining what we have. I hope we hear SMU, but if we do win the ACCCG, it will be because we play in a like if a conference.
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Re: Both of your suggestions violate federal law.
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Dec 5, 2024, 8:28 AM
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How is Dabo 1-2 against Beamer? Oh.. yeah, I'd want to gorget 30-0 as well if I were you too. SMH.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
Dec 7, 2024, 12:41 AM
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Just start donating the millions that's needed to bring the players that maybe better than some that we have, I'm sure he wouldn't hesitate to try and get them to Clemson, if fact I would bet that he would make an honest attempt to get them to Clemson if he had the millions that it takes to get the high quality high 4 star and 5 star players from the portal, but I would also bet that 99.99% of Clemson donors aren't donating that type of money to our athletic department that would buy those high quality players from the portal.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
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Dec 4, 2024, 10:22 PM
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You can only play 11 at a time and only need 22 to field a team, anything after that is just wasteful spending.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
Dec 7, 2024, 1:22 AM
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You get it, 4 or 5 five star players are more than enough to help win championships if you that talent in the right positions if your other players are just average 4 star talented players.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
Dec 5, 2024, 7:52 AM
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Did the Dandy Dozen class have 7 de-commits like this class had? Our program is not trending well. You have a flawed philosophy from the coach who won’t engage in the portal, you have a drop in the quality of play on the field, and a perception of the program from the outside that we are a declining program.
None of this is good and once the recruiting issues start you have serious problems.
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
Dec 5, 2024, 9:54 AM
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dont play these brain washing mind games, ala GT's Paul Johnson. he seems to be taking our intelligence for granted. laughable
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Dec 5, 2024, 10:06 AM
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Seems like the kids are not interested in the Clemson philosophy. We entered a new age of free agency where the kids have all the power now. Were aren’t getting anything from transfer portal and the hs recruiting is also striking out. They can’t survive at this rate
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Re: TNET: Swinney says smaller signing class reminds him of the Dandy Dozen
Dec 7, 2024, 1:27 AM
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Tell me this, would you rather shovel chit out of horse stables for $300,000 a year, or would you rather be the CEO at a company for $100,000 a year? These high profile players don't care who they play for as long as they're getting paid the big bucks, the highest bidder gets the prize!!!
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