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Well said and quit playing scared. We had multiple opportunities to go to a 7 point or a 10 point lead and we played scared.
Dabo thought we can defend a 4 point lead in the last drive? When Sellers is gonna have 4 downs to score? We all know they are gonna score a TD. When we could drive all the way for a FG in less than a min, why not be aggressive earlier?
Also let Cade run more and stop playing injured Mafah. We can’t get an adequate back up qb? What’s spiller doing?
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I think Jay Haynes is more than adequate. I was going to say they leaned way too heavily on Mafah but his workload only went from 179 to 201 with a game to go. Thats not a totally wild increase. He looks hurt (shoulder). I was hoping to see more of Haynes.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 10:08 AM
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Haynes seemed to disappear from scrimmage plays after he had that motion or illegal formation penalty (I forget the details, other than it being a 5 yard penalty).
Had Mafah not been playing as if he was hurt, then I’d have thought ‘OK, why mess around with a penalty prone RB in a tight game.’
But with Mafah being obviously impaired, wouldn’t it be a bearable risk to play our most experienced change of pace RB instead if Mafah?
Everyone complains about play calling being too conservative; perhaps some more consideration should be directed to personnel decisions being too conservative.
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Dec 2, 2024, 7:30 AM
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For as great as he was as a player and as much I loved him, Spiller is the absolute WORST I've ever seen at subbing in RBs. So many times in recent seasons after a super long run, I would scream to give Shipley a break cause you could see he needed it. Several of those times he left an exhausted Shipley (or Mafah) in, to then fumble or miss a key block. Now he continues to do same w injured Mafah. He barely made it back to huddle after 3rd down sweep, so no surprise he had no juice for 4th and 1 that got stuffed. CJ can recruit, but he SHOULD NOT be making critical decisions.
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Dec 2, 2024, 7:32 AM
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A proven defensive coordinator is a must
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Dec 2, 2024, 7:46 AM
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Bingo. I said to someone yesterday that one can not teach what one has never done. Wes is an analyst, but cannot teach tackling or other essential skills to a player. He could call a scheme or an alignment. These guys need to be taught they are not professionals at this point.
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I have been lamenting this fact for 7 weeks. Clemson needs a NEW DC. I knew the Tigers were in trouble with a 4-point lead late in the game. The defense can't tackle either. I'd like to see their tackle drills. Sellers should hvae not been able to break all those tackles he broke. This is just such a soft-minded defense.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 10:18 AM
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I’ve resisted joining the ‘Goodwin needs to be reassigned’ chorus, but by the end of Saturday’s conclusion, I’m now singing.
Among other obvious signs pertaining to to Goodwin’s non-DC role as LB coach. One would think that a LB coach who has the extra influence as the DC would be easily able to get the LB group’s attention about playing with gap integrity. Yet, this doesn’t seem to happen with enough consistency. Am I missing the bigger LB picture I.e., inexperienced Sammy Brown is the predominant culprit re failure to play his gap assignment? If I am wrong, and I am imagining things (such as B.Carter not playing his gaps consistently enough), then I’ll back away from my participation in the ‘Goodwin needs to be reassigned’ chorus.
As I (think) I see it, the LB gap integrity problem either means that our DC isn’t coaching very well or doesn’t think it matters because our LBs are blazing fast (and thus able to outrun their assignment SNAFUs).
I don’t think I’m seeing mirages.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 4:51 PM
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This is what I think is most needed. I respectfully disagree with Ryan that we have to use the portal. I wholeheartedly agree that we need NIL and revenue sharing to keep our recruiting class together. I think ultimately commitment from the university to the athlete by not recruiting over the top of them from the portal will pay dividends provided we are on a level playing field monetarily.
I think also if we beat SMU and advance to the playoffs, that it would prove Dabo's way has merit and that we are headed in the right direction.
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Because that's working so well now, right?
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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CJ Spiller is, in my opinion, the single most important football player in Clemson history. Not only was he one of our best, his choice as the top RB recruit to go to Clemson really helped us on the national stage. He was also more fun to watch than any of our other legends, because he could score from wherever every single play. He also seems like a genuinely good guy and avoided any major scandals.
That said, that does not mean the guy is a good coach. I am by no stretch and IQ snob, but he had a 10 wonderlic, the second lowest score for a running back in NFL history (and running backs historically had the lowest scores). That is actually below the level someone who is literate should score, and translates roughly to a 79 IQ. He might be able to teach basic fundamentals (though I'm skeptical since he was more naturally talented), but someone with a 79 IQ should not be tasked with those kinds of decisions, no matter how incredible of a player they were.
I do question your claim that he can recruit. When we hired him, I thought he'd dominate on the recruiting trail. But that hasn't really panned out. He didn't recruit Bowman (I know he was a huge bust, but we all thought he'd be amazing), Pace, Shipley, or Mafah. He recruited Keith Adams Jr., Haynes, and Eziomume, three 3 Stars. Haynes is okay, but I think that if I told you 4 years ago those would be his recruits, you'd be very surprised.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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I dunno. G.Davidson is a good recruit. Ezioume and Haynes are good players. Indeed, although before Spiller became RB coach, we gave a late scholarship to 3* RB Travis Etienne.
Now to Spiller as a RB coach. Shipley got better in each of his three years. Improved considerably as a pass catcher between Fr and So years. Achieved competency at picking up the blitz by his Jr year; as a Fr he was as effective at blocking as a Kleenex is at stopping a bullet.
Maybe he learned how to do this by doing on-line gaming. Maybe Spiller coached him up. I’m betting on the second scenario.
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Re: I'm not sure CJ can recruit.
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The last 2 RBs he's landed have been really good though. It is unfortunate that the coaches didn't get Eziomume more touches, especially since his upside is higher than all the other backup RBs. He's going to get better with more experience, but the coaches did not let him receive any.
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How can you say they are really good when ...
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Dec 2, 2024, 9:30 PM
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they are evidently not even good enough to get on the field when it is painfully obvious that your number one running back has been playing at least four weeks injured and limited, and only a shell of his former self?
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Ill believe it when I see it.
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They are better on paper than prior RB signings, but certainly not elite, best-in-class guys. I hope they will turn out to be dynamic, but I’m not convinced that he can get them there.
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Re: Ill believe it when I see it.
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The drop off you keep citing is compared to ETN, I presume. ETN was not considered an elite, best in class running back coming out of HS either. Based on what ETN was considered to be coming out of HS, our recent recruits are in very much the same class. But it is your job to doubt every move this coaching staff makes.
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The current commitment is supposed to be his best ever, but....
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Dec 2, 2024, 9:07 PM
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he isnt on campus yet so anything can happen as we have seen, and he hasnt played a down. But yes, at the very least, CJ has to get some running backs. It is unbeleivable that we dont have a single RB capable of playing more than one down behind Mafah in a game like this. What an eyesore.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Amen to that, its been a joke with me to guess the next play after Mafah would run a 30+ yard play and be trying to catch his breath. And what would they call-----Mafah up the middle for loss because he could hardly walk----every time! Then settle for field goal ATTEMPT. Coaching across the board has declined for years now. Who have we beat good in since 2020? Sadly, we are slowly eroding our reputation as a top tier program and wont be getting the perks that come with it. MAKE CHANGES DABO
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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The problem was not in philosophy...you are dead wrong...it was in execution...a QB as big as DJU that runs like Jordan Travis will give the Chicago Bears fits...our offense did not execute..yes Mafah is done, we knew that 4 games ago (dabo loyalty) the real issue is dink and dunk...why throw any ball to Mafah with 12 sec and the game on the line...into the end zone or kick to tie...we are at home...we threw the game it was ours and we blew it! That's not philosophy it's pure old execution...Usck could not stop us so we stopped ourselves!
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 8:49 AM
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Dabo said this was NOT the play call. It was throw it away or throw to the end zone. CK improvised.
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Are we sure CK wasn't trying to kill it at mafah's feet?***
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Wow...1st I heard about the throw to Mafah was not the play that was called. This is just another case of Cade playing hero ball. Not surprised at all. It appears he was actually believing all that B.S about himself being a Heisman canidate. 3 seasons and I'm still trying to figure out how in the #### did this guy get rated a 5 star prospect?
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Wow...1st I heard about the throw to Mafah was not the play that was called. This is just another case of Cade playing hero ball. Not surprised at all. It appears he was actually believing all that B.S about himself being a Heisman canidate. 3 seasons and I'm still trying to figure out how in the #### did this guy get rated a 5 star prospect?
Go and look at his HS film especially his SR year...
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He had HC at Austin Westlake the knew how to coach and run offense around the players he has. Cade 3 TX State Championships. Though UIL has made Texas HS football the joke of the USA. 4 teams per district make play offs. 10 games regular season and 6 games playoffs if win state
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He also had a frisbee catching dog WR in HS that went to ND.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 10:30 AM
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Oh no. I hadn’t heard (or read) that about CK2 deciding to override the called play and to substitute his better judgement.
Please tell me that you misunderstood what Dabo said. Pretty please.
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He was explicitly clear about the play call
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Dec 2, 2024, 11:51 AM
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Coach Swinney mentioned the play call explicitly in the press conference immediately after the game; the call was go to the end zone or throw it away, not put it in play under any other circumstance.
Cade wanted to be a hero, & sometimes that works out. Instead, it was a tremendously athletic catch for a game-ending INT.
I'm curious if Cade was so desperate to throw as the play-calling for more passes in the first half really helped him shine at passing as much as Sellers did at running he ended up making that call out of desire more than desperation; he believed he could do it & it felt like the last shot, which unfortunately it was.
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He said most of what I've been thinking since the game. I don't know why the offensive play calling went in the toilet. You're moving the ball nearly it will through the air and they quit doing it for what reason I cannot even fathom. That the SMU game they just go balls to the wall and let those boys play free. I'm not going to hold my breath though. I love Dabo but I think that he has been putting the boot on Riley's Nick at the wrong times playing not to lose rather than playing the win like we used to. There's Hope, Dabos one two national championships love the guy. Hey, one last thing. This was all coaching on the offensive side. You only need to look at the last 16 seconds of the game. Why did Cade throw the football on the first play to a check down rather than in the end zone or out of it to get two more plays?
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Sadly, Dabo Swinney and Clemson football is wasting 5-star players. This is why Mukuba left for Texas. He stated that Clemson wasn't getting most out of him, hurting his potential. Think sbout it. DJU failed here, and so is Klubnik. They wasted Will Shipley, and the list goes on and on. Players are decommiting from Clemson like the plague. 5-star D Lineman Peter Woods looks like an average player on defense. This continuous downward trend and pattern is quite disturbing, when you consider how successful the Tigers were before Trevor Lawrence, Brent Venables and Travis Etienne left after the 2020 natty loss to LSU and Joe Burrow. They were so good that they might have won 2 consecutive National Titles then. Clemson doesn't deserve to play in the ACC Championship game. Miami just plain blew it. SMU is my favorite in this game, by a score of 30-17. No offense, No defense in especially serious situations, and such poor tackling. The players have no confidence, and this is a tell tale sign of a program's regression. This WILL be the 4th consecutive season with NO playoff berth and a 9-4 record. Miami should have won against Syracuse. I doubt that Clemson will win 10 games this year, for I don't see them winning the 2nd tier bowl they go to. It doesn't matter who they play. Bad special teams, low fan base morale, signify a slow, steady deterioration of this program. All these factors are pointing to a grave need for change within Clemson Football, and it doesn't stop at the coordinators or the assistants. EVERYTHING is off-kilter at Clemson, and the blame must placed at the Head Coaching position. Dabo Swinney has done all he's going to do at Clemson. I felt after the 2020 loss to LSU Natty berth that Dabo would win at least two more National Titles by the end of his coaching career at Clemson, but after reviewing what has transpired over the last 4 years, I don't see him ever winning another one. He is strugging just to win the ACC crown now, and The Clemson faithful need to take off the blinders and realize that his stubborn ego and unwillingness to change will bind him to 7-5 and 6-6 records eventually. All the kids in HS are watching this slow demise of Clemson Football and they want to play for elite teams, not middle-of the-road ones. He can no longer hide behind those 2 Natty's for an excuse. The last one was in 2019, (5 years ago). Times change, things change, and they have immensely. He has simply failed to adjust. He has been the HC at Clemson since 2008. That's 16 years. He is losing touch with winning football championships. His coaching powers are waning before our eyes. It happens historically to coaches who fail to change with the times. This is why 5-star players are by-passing Clemson, and 4-stars who commit are decommiting. A change at the top needs to be made. Ohio State is facing the same dilemma with Ryan Day, who can't beat Michigan (4 straight losses). It will end his career there, and he's had a great one. Fan bases require certain accomplishments, and if you don't complete them, your'e gone. The Clemson fan base has been spoiled by the 2 natty's, and it will take a NEW voice to feed those expectations. Clemson can revive it's Football National status if Dabo leaves and a strong assistant from another high-profile program takes over. Kingdoms rise and fall, and it appears after these 4 years that the Dabo reign is over. He will finish 9-5 at the season end, and let's expect lesser win-loss records if he is retained as HC. Yes, kingdoms rise and fall, and this particular kingdom is a clear indication of that.
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Many contradictions in your epic and...
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tell-tale signs you are a well informed, long time fan of Clemson, as most don't know that Dabo led Clemson to consecutive national titles.(Closely guarded secret, keep it under your hat, Saban don't even know it!)
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Re: Many contradictions in your epic and...
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He didn't say that Clemson won consecutive natties. Read it again.
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Believe you went back and changed it when I wasn't looking****
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 3, 2024, 6:23 PM
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I don't think that anything the coots done broke us, IMO the SEC refs turning their heads on more than half of the penalties that the coots should have gotten if the rules would have been enforced equally, they didn't come close to calling that game that would have been fair for both teams.
I know that fans all over the country would rather blame their loss of the refs, but I would swear on a stack of Bibles that the SEC refs stole the game from our Tigers with bad calls and turning their heads on clear penalties they refused to call against the coots!!!
Our game against the coots was the worse called game I've ever witnessed by the refs I've ever seen in my lifetime of watching college FB. IMHO the SEC refs stole that game for the coots...
I'll also admit that Sellers was the slipperiest QB I've ever seen, but there was a couple of times that he got away his foreword progress had been stopped, and the whistle should have been blown but the refs gave him more than enough time to escape. I'm not trying to take anything from the kid bc he is good at getting away, but there was a couple of time that our guys could have slammed him to the ground but didn't to avoid ruffing the passer penalty. Like I said, some of the worse officiating I've ever seen in my lifetime of college FB...
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A sliver of hope is better than none at all
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Philosophical changes aside and looking the playcalls in crucial moments, there was an alarming lack of situational awareness on Saturday.
While Carolina could get a chunk play here and there, the defense proved more than capable to halt their momentum with key turnovers, even factoring in the works of Houdini at quarterback. So what does the offense do? A questionable attempt at a 4th & 1 that backfired even with the heavy package on the field. A laughably bad "trick" play that confused nobody but the offense trying to execute it. Head scratching attempts at a home run ball on 3rd & short, when 5 yards would have kept Carolina's running attack on the sideline, and the aforementioned woeful possession before Carolina took the lead for good.
If Clemson's coaches - at least the ones calling the plays - can exhibit at least basic situational awareness, I think it'd have a profound effect on the product on the field without making the drastic changes that flood the comments
Great article Ryan
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PRECISELY . . . and this is mostly being ignored in favor of
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incessant portal talk. There's a legitimate point to be made about the portal philosophy, whether Dabo's really "anti-portal" as some say, or whether he's just picking his situations more "judiciously" than others would. Fine, it's a legitimate discussion, it's relevant, and it can and should be had. But the idea that it is the primary or end-all-be-all of our problems seems a stretch. Dabo and his staff underachieve with what we have, meaning THAT problem is at the forefront. If we start using the portal more, then when we face good teams with which we similar talent, the strategic mismanagement will still cause us to underwhelm in those situations.
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The chicken QB was the best athlete on the field Saturday. That being said, our D held them to 17 points. Anytime our D holds an opponent to 17 points, we should win (especially at home). We blew the game for two reasons, horrible situational play calling (as you reference) and a boneheaded, egotistical, dullard QB. Watch Blake Miller’s brief postgame press conference. He nailed it. It doesn’t matter if only 10 players are on the same page, must have 11 players on same page. And when the one player that is off ###### is your QB, that’s an issue. This isn’t the first time our QB has failed to follow basic instructions but it dang sure needs to be the last. A home loss to our rival due to one person’s inability to follow instructions is totally unacceptable.
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Standout [214]
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Not sure why ###### was edited out
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how that word is used as a command in the creation or display of webpage content, and that it somehow interferes or causes a problem. That's probably a wholly inadequate explanation as it's not my area of expertise. But it's some kind of related matter.
I for one have never been able to comprehend why it's an issue. Other online forums don't always ban it, so it must be able to be negotiated somehow.
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Very weird
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The word that’s being blocked is,
Sunny
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Today
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Just admit you used a filthy profane word ****
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Re: A sliver of hope is better than none at all
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This is spot on. I was shaking my head just wondering how these coaches get paid so much and they miss basic calls. on the fourth and one you handed to an an injured running back. They have to know he’s injured. And everybody on South Carolina side expecting the play. I understand the mono a mono thing, but it’s just stupid football. Fake the handoff, throw the TE and easy first down. And just like you mentioned, you had third and short and you go for a low-percentage killshot . Just take the 5 yards and the first down and you probably win the game. On defense, third and 16, and they have to score a touchdown, you rush three , everybody stays home and you force him to throw the ball into coverage. Then the clock management debacle before halftime. I could go on and on. I just don’t understand how these guys make so much money and can’t do simple stuff.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Tell ‘em weasel contributing writer coot!
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Dec 2, 2024, 7:41 AM
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Which part of my article upset you this much?
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Thanks Ryan. No need to feed the trolls and Dabo cultists!
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Ryan, I will be straight with you. Although much of your article was accurate and pointed out truths we don't need to avoid, there was one glaring and upsetting statement that can NOT go unchallenged. You state that cupcakes have empty calories, and THAT my friend is unacceptable. I will challenge that to my dying day. There's dairy and carbs in a cupcake. That's healthy. Ok, maybe just carbs, but I know when I eat a dozen cupcakes, I feel full, so that blows away your ridiculous "empty calories" nonsense.
The rest of your article was astute. I hate to steer Dabo away from what he thinks is the right course of action. It's literally only bc of Dabo that Clemson is not a middling team. So to hear so many on tigernet and beyond question his judgement seems so wrong. But y'all may be right. Like WF coach stated clearly, it's a slippery slope once you open that door. Current players will feel slighted. And we see the worst case with FSU this year.
#### NIL nonsense. Ruining the game we love. But it's here. We must adapt and overcome.
Ryan, no more cupcake aspersions.
Go Tigers.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Sorry. You’re wrong. There are no healthy carbs in a cupcake. Keep eating your dozen. The diabetes will stop that eventually. I can confidently say with my science degrees that the dairy in a cupcake is destroyed by the sugar and overload of bad carbs. It’s kinda like saying at least genocide controls the over population problem.
I was expecting the first response to be “tell ‘em coot!” It’s what I’ve been screaming since the nepotism hires started killing the on field product. Dabo needs to let Riley cook. Stay out of the game planning. Follow the model that got him to the mountain top. Hire the best coordinators money can buy. Start spending more of that 17th largest NIL purse to recruit players and NOT for just retention.
Teaching tackling is simple. A player like Sellars you have to attack the hips and below. I was a 135lb safety in high school and our 210lb running back hated getting hit my me. It’s all about keeping leverage and not getting fooled by juke moves. The hips don’t lie.
Goodwin is terrible. We have many games where our gap integrity is garbage. Saturday was issues with pass rush integrity. You have to not over rush and keep contain. We consistently over extended the pass rush.
Expect SMU to exploit this with Jennings. He’s a much better player than Sellars. I’m not excited about watching this game.
All in all we did much better against little brother than I thought we would. I was expecting a 14 point beat down and to be playing from behind all game. Cade played well for the most part. He left everything on the field.
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Dec 2, 2024, 8:57 AM
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I stopped reading your stupid post after the first paragraph. The guy was joking about cupcakes you idiot.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 12:01 PM
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At least someone got it!
Go Tigers
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Everybody ELSE.***
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I believe strongly that Dabo needs to use the portal or get out! You have to change with the times or we’re going to get left even further behind than we are now. I hate NIL and I hate that college football implemented it with absolutely no rules. It is ruining the sport, in my opinion. But we have to play the game. We have to!
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 10:31 AM
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Tyler from Spartanburg was right. Millionaire coaches? BTW NIL is the result of a Supreme Court decision. Dabo is out there fund raising as we speak.
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Dear Ryan - if U ever leave TNet do not become publicist for Clinton Foundation
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If indeed you do join Clinton Foundation after leaving TNet and depart from the official organizational doctrine (as you’ve dared to do with this article of yours), then be sure that, in your life insurance documents, you include a statement that any sudden, violent death will not be because of suicide.
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Keep your head in the sand.
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Continue to ignore the fact that our recruiting has dipped, our coaching quality has declined, and we are nowhere close to being the program we were 5-10 years ago.
Keep telling yourself that Dabo won two national championships, knows how to fix things, and that anyone who disagrees is a Coot or is jealous of Dabo.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dabo can’t hear you from inside the castle
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Ring of Honor [21941]
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We lost at the LOS???
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what the #### game did Ryan Kantor watch?
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Playmaker [357]
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Re: We lost at the LOS???
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The same one I did…!!!!!!!!!
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Re: We lost at the LOS???
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You're kidding me, right? We got pushed around and bullied. They had over 200 yds rushing. Mafah had 66 yds.
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Ring of Honor [21941]
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No we did not.
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Our Dline played awesome but our pressure played right into Seller's wheel house. He used that pressure to get into the second level. Are you crazy? We had him on the run all day and run he did. And our Oline played awesome.
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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Their OL blew our DL off the line on run plays a lot.
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I did not see our OL get dominated though.
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Re: Their OL blew our DL off the line on run plays a lot.
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Fair assessment overall. Our OL was tremendous in pass protection and not good enough to beat S.Carolina’s DL on run plays.
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Yeah, everybody "loses" LOS if play calling requires QB to hold the ball over 3s
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FFS
Make it stop
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Hall of Famer [8115]
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Re: We lost at the LOS???
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Dec 2, 2024, 8:45 PM
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Seriously, we could barely run and they ran all over us. What game did you watch?
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National Champion [7495]
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 8:17 AM
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I agree
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Highlight
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“Clemson was tied or ahead for all but 68 seconds but got overly conservative in key moments rather than going for the kill shot. The most notable instance was when Clemson got the ball up four points with six minutes remaining. Rather than attacking downfield, where they’d had success, they ran a jet sweep and simple running back hand-off up the middle. That put them in a third-and-long which they failed to convert. They then punted, and South Carolina responded with the game-winning drive.”
This, should’ve kept attacking, put Haynes in at RB (change of pace), kept Sammy in at LB, stacked the box somewhat because Sellers wasn’t beating us with his arm, rather than play soft and give him room, I could go on.
I don’t mind when we just get beat by the other team, but I can’t stand when it’s obviously coaching that does us in. Not when we have one of the very top salaried staffs.
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Athletic Dir [1199]
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Re: Highlight
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Hear hear
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Re: Highlight
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The reverse call was not overly conservative.
It might well have been a tremendous success had CK2’s feet not gotten tangled in Ryan Linthicum’s feet immediately after the snap.
Blame for SNAFUed execution deserves as much blame as play calling. Maybe more blame.
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Valley Protector [1401]
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Would have rather seen us take a shot down field..
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than the reverse, a gadget play that felt like a CDS play call
but that's easy for me to say knowing it's result
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Orange Elite [5213]
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Nailedit Greene***
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 8:37 AM
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First, I am one who is accused frequently of being a Dabo cultist because I do continue to support our coach. I do believe we need to use the portal and believe we will. I agree with pretty much everything you said here with one exception. You said we had “ a 9-3 record against a far weaker schedule than expected”. I don’t think our schedule was really much different than expected. GA was exactly what was expected in game 1. The 2 unexpected teams I see was just how bad FSU was and how much better the coots were than expected at the beginning of the season. I don’t think ANYONE expected SC to win 9 games this year. As much as I dislike them we have to admit they far exceeded expectations. Every other team on our schedule was pretty much as expected. At the beginning of the year many had FSU in Tallahassee as a potential concern. and the coots as a definite win. Flip those 2 and here we are and our schedule was just as expected.
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Ring of Honor [21941]
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huh?
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Dec 2, 2024, 8:42 AM
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NC State, Louisville, VT and FSU were all expected to compete for the ACC championship. All but Lou ended with a losing record.
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Legend [7093]
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Re: huh?
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Dec 2, 2024, 8:57 AM
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Possibly losing records after bowl games, but at the moment both the Pack and Hokies are 6-6.
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Re: huh?
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The win over NC State was unusually easy because they were playing with a true Fr QB that had less than a full game of experience prior to the start of our game against them. Predictably, their highly inexperienced true Fr QB was not effective.
By late season, this same NC State QB had acquired plenty of meaningful experience. Poof! NC State started playing better … at least so in offense.
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Hall of Famer [8278]
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And you can say what you want about the coots, they arnt any good.
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Better than expected? Sure. Is the SEC FAR worse than expected? Also yes. A well coached team would have trucked them Saturday. Im so weary of #### coaching costing us games we should win.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 8:44 AM
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Well Said...That pretty much covers it...
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Orange Phenom [14170]
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There's one BIG key factor to Clemson's success in beating all those Power 5
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teams from 2012 through 2020 that was not mentioned in the article.... Brent Venables... Our defense has simply not been the same since he left.
IMO, until we have a DC that brings the same intensity and recruiting chops that Venables provided we will continue to see up/down performances from our defense with an overall downward trend from where Venables had us.
Which brings me to the bigger point... Part of our decline is not just player/portal related. It is in the nepotistic/inbreeding hiring practices of the program. A little hiring from within the "family" can be a positive but to the extent Dabo was doing it - the program has become largely inbred with few outside influences to bring new perspectives to match the changing college football landscape. Hiring Riley, Luke and Rumph was a step in the right direction but Dabo needs to really reconsider the Goodwin analyst to DC experiment that has seen a marked overall decline in our defense.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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As much as I agree with Dabo’s view on the portal, Clemson must evolve or die! Fundamentally, I think the NCAA has lost its way and lost sight of the “student” aspect of their charter… I know it’s been this way for awhile, but the NCAA has affirmed and reenforced that is truly all about the money, education be ######… sadly😞
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I hate the NCAA, but the legal system forced it.
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The NCAA is corrupt and incompetent, and most fans hate what it's become. However, money from television created problems. It became a business. Then the players wanted a bigger piece of the pie and a judge gave it to them. It's absolutely not about an education for them anymore. College has lost it's way in other aspects too. It's no longer affordable or about setting up young people for their careers. It's about dollars, tuition, and receiving grant money.
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Orange Beast [6476]
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Great article
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This kind of stuff is what I come for. I stopped donating years ago because the writing was awful IMO. This is good. One can be a die-hard lover of Clemson, but still be critical.
Those who tell you the truth love you. Those who tell you what you want to hear love themselves.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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100% disagree about losing at the line of scrimmage, at least defensively. Clemson's DL dominated their OL. I would even say Clemson OL held their own against what was probably the best pair of DEs they've faced. A healthy Mafah or a bigger dose of Haynes, and I think the Clemson rushing numbers would have been greatly improved.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Our OL’s run blocking was not good enough to defeat S.Carolina’s D-line. We couldn’t run the ball (indeed, Mafah’s injury induced limitations played a factor) and thus became a finesse offense.
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There were holes. Mafah either too slow/too injured to take advantage of them. Complete failure by the staff to adapt and go with Haynes or EZE.
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Do not hold your breath***
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Well written analysis. Thank you. Factual. No “well I think…”
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I love media guys are brave enough to write the truth and risk being ostracized by petty coaches. Look at records and recruiting classes. Clemson football has dropped several rungs from the version that challenged for national titles. If Dabo doesn't have it in him any more, I'm honestly ok with that. I can be content with ACC title being the goal. If you asked me in the beginning if 2 national titles would be worth it, that's an easy question. But back to the article, Clemson is softer and frankly not as good.
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Playing over the loudspeakers across campus today
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Ryan Kantor. Please report to Dabo’s office.
Ryan Kantor. Please report to Dabo’s office.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Spot on Ryan!
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Excellent article! Well said!***
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Well written article. Completely agree.
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Dabo aint gonna change
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His way worked 10 years ago but the game has passed him by.
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Rival Killer [2916]
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If his boss tells him to, he will. That's what needs to happen. Let's go Neff.
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I think Neff's already greasing the wheels for it, but I still need to see it. He's either a bit on the political style, word salad, spin side or he's going to be real and kick ###.
We'll see.
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Re: If his boss tells him to, he will. That's what needs to happen. Let's go Neff.
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I think you have a very valid point. Heck, it may even be a relief for Dabo if he opposes something (in theory) but is obligated to do it per BOT/AD/Alumni, etc. I think both Neff and Dabo are coming around to it to be honest.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 9:58 AM
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I agree and also imo the analyst to DC… ain’t working. We can’t tackle, we can’t fill gaps, we can’t stop simple option offenses, but one of the most telling signs is… our LB’s aren’t developing. I’d argue our LB’s have regressed instead of improving from year to year under Goodwin. We’ve got an exceptional LB in Sammy Brown who probably can be one of the best ever… if he’s given good coaching and developed. Taking him off the field against Sellers was contributing factor in the loss. That’s on Goodwin… I’ve seen the we felt they were going throw excuse. Once they started running , pull the plug and put Brown in. Brown and Parker are one of the few on this defense that play with any physicality. The lack of physical play on defense is a reflection of the leadership. I’d could go for a good suplexing of an opposing RB or QB out of a Wes Goodwin Defense. He may be great analyst but DC and motivator he’s not. Change is needed !
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 11:21 AM
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You lost credibility at "stop simple option offenses." Teams with less talent run "simple option offenses" because it evens the playing field.
Now, we agree with taking Sammy off the field because, as Dabo explained, "we thought they were going to do something different." That says it was not just on Wes.
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Athletic Dir [1111]
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i said it before the game. Mafah doesn't have it. he's injured and tired
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Dec 2, 2024, 10:01 AM
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The reliance on him cost us the game. Relying on Mafah is on the coaches. Relying in the run was a really bad idea, but not adapting and changing to a down field push by throwing the ball makes me wonder who the #### is making the play calls. Because it was bad. Really bad. Way too conservative.
The philosophical shift needs to come in the form of play calling as well.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 10:11 AM
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Thank you for writing this. Most honest piece I have read in 5 years regarding Clemson football. You'll notice I came out the "reading only closet" to say so. Again, thank you.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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I love the part about Dabo harping on a string of 9 plus win seasons but it comes across as empty as the calories in the cupcakes Clemson is playing. Nothing could be truer.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 11:00 AM
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Dabo job is not just opining about whether a season is evolving successfully or not.
He’s also in perpetual recruiting mode (which is of great importance). I’d be worried if Dabo started saying Clemson stinks and that Clemson will never be a respected program again since all that we aspire to achieve is a meaningless ACC championship.
Writers like Ryan fill in that ‘not recruiting’ aspect of opining on the state of our program.
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Tiger Titan [47444]
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Great article, Ryan. You speak the truth.***
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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OL improved with a good OL coach. DB's are good with a good DB coach.
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Linebacker coaching is terrible. Defensive cohesiveness is terrible. Effort is lacking and I never saw that before Goodwin.
WR coaching was terrible before this year, but it is Freshman who are are doing most of the lifting. 0 is better this year but still has issues.
Dline can pass rush but get blown off ball vs run. Tackling on defense sucks. Gap integrity is bad, LB play inexcusable with the talent we supposedly have. LB's are a huge sign of bad coaching.
Special Teams are bad now.
Running backs are becoming more ineffective. Tight Ends are not being used that much.
Cade showed huge improvement this year.
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Game Changer [1685]
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Re: OL improved with a good OL coach. DB's are good with a good DB coach.
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Dec 2, 2024, 11:38 AM
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^^^THIS^^^
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 10:39 AM
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Blee blah blu blu blu
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National Champion [7729]
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 10:57 AM
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Settle down Swinney Boy
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Good teams find a way to win close games against equally matched opponents.
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Dec 2, 2024, 10:40 AM
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We are not good and we play not to lose.
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Game Changer [2003]
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 10:40 AM
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As much as I want things to be the way it once was before NIL the reality is to compete through NIL with the portal or get left in the dust. This just a part the landscape. Clemson does have talented players but some position coaches have been failing. Special teams were atrocious this year. I’m afraid our defense needs a change for DC. I don’t think there is no excuse for the offense to keep continuing to attack. I understand the family mentality for coaches but in the end it still comes down wins and losses and going with the flow or being satisfied where the program is now. For the moment with the ACC championship coming up, GO TIGERS
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 10:41 AM
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There does need to be a philosophy change in the program. There is no excuse for letting a QB young knew was one dimensional to exploit you the way the coots qb did. He was who we thought he was and Goodwin allowed him to have his best day. Need a change there, I hoped that Goodwin was going to be serviceable at DC when BV left but now that most of BV’s players have moved on it shows.
I don’t think there is going to be a major shift with the portal. The deals for the best portal players are usually done before the guy enters his name in the portal. I don’t see Dabo tampering. I believe the main change that needs to be made is paying NIL to the high school kids who have not played a meaningful snap of football. If the recruiting is strong enough and getting the best players the portal use isn’t necessary. The problem is Dabo doesn’t believe in paying unproven players so they go where the money is and it’s never been more evident than this year. If he isn’t willing to change that then I don’t know what else to do? Hopefully the main boosters have let Dabo know he’s going to have to change or they will force Neff’s hands.
I’m hopeful the rev share can help, but Dabo is going to have to be willing to use all the tools in his tool belt if he wants to compete. These kids don’t care about morals, ethics or values. They aren’t taught to be good people at home and they don’t care about being taught to be good people at school. Look at this past weekend with all the fights after games college and NFL. Morals and integrity don’t mean anything anymore it’s all greed and what have you done for me lately. It’s getting to be that it isn’t worth watching, they are going to thug and greed themselves right out of the very thing they want the most.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 11:04 AM
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Not all of the good HS prospects are as bad as you suggest, but many college FB programs want the not-so-short-sighted players. We try hard to get the players which value long term outcomes, but don’t always get them.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 10:47 AM
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Great article with hard truth Ryan.
Unfortunately, only a bad loss Saturday versus SMU will possibly force Dabo’s hand in making difficult decisions for the future of the program.
If by some chance Clemson wins, it’s an excuse to carry on business as usual.
As for the donations to the 110 Society and Neff pushing the IPTAY points, this should’ve happened 2 years ago. Once again, Clemson is playing catch up with everybody else. Fans are constantly being asked for more money, as they raise ticket prices, IPTAY membership, etc, and still fans are confused as to how the money is being allocated. Then, we watch our Tigers play below average football. Very frustrating.
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Especially offensively
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Dec 2, 2024, 10:52 AM
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These last 2 years have completely black pilled me to the Air Raid. There's a reason why you see no National Championship winning Air Raid coaches and probably never will. It's a system built to take advantage of talent gaps. And when the talent gap is there, it works but at the elite level there is no talent gap. You have to scheme guys open and the system just isn't designed to do that. Pull the band-aid off, go find a more pro-style guy ( since we want to be run focused ) or a West Coast guy.
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Re: Especially offensively
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Dec 2, 2024, 11:06 AM
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^^^^^ nailed it ^^^^^
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Pro-set no, the time is not available to teach a QB under center +
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the thicker playbook
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 10:54 AM
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Agree they completely lack killer instinct. Seen it numerous times. This game, FL. State this year and last year just to name a few. However, the rivalry game this year rushing comments should be tempered. Outside of broken play scrambles they had 103 rushing yards. We should be able to take that and win majority of the time. Inexplicable disappearance of the LB's during the scrambles, lack of a spy, and continual poor tackling of the QB when in the grasp essentially gave them the game.
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Ehhhhh, maybe.....
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Dec 2, 2024, 11:39 AM
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I do agree there needs to be a shift in portal usage and NIL money spent on players, but I feel the way Clemson recruits and goes after players in HS and in the portal needs to change dramatically. They need to offer more kids, especially with the NCAA roster increases. We currently have 13 kids recruited for the 2025 class, that ain't going to cut it. I said it before, and I will say it again, the time for change was 2 years ago, Dabo is either going to have to take it on the chin in the form of losses over the next 4-5 years with 8 wins or less and hope he can change the direction of the program, or go all in with the transfer portal like FSU has and hope for the best.
I also feel we have severe limitations at some coaching positions on both sides of the ball. The players are not playing with near the urgency or intensity they used to, especially on defense and this causes me to question motivation, and that starts with coaching. Further, too many players look unprepared and confused on both sides of the ball throughout the game for there not to be issues there. They over pursue, under pursue, take bad angles, cannot get open, half-A$$ block and don't seem to have enough football knowledge to be able to adapt to the smallest of changes in game. I have issues with the entire team, and right now I am not sure it can be fixed.
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Re: Ehhhhh, maybe.....
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Dec 2, 2024, 4:28 PM
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Good post, mrheyj. But you left out special teams. Pretty poor this year.
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 12:24 PM
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Post 100...thanks
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Are you saying only other alternative is...
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Dec 2, 2024, 12:56 PM
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... to suffer thru 6-6 seasons most of the time, going 0-X versus other power-4 teams, and just do middling in ACC? Would we still have to pay $10 million/year to Dabo? And millions/year for assistant coaches?
Not sure I like where this is headed. We are a small school, not sure if I want to be in this arms race. Money will NEVER be enough, and always more will be needed to "compete".
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Thank you for the black and white article
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Dec 2, 2024, 1:43 PM
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Hopefully our sunshine pumpers will read it.
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Empty calories
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Dec 2, 2024, 4:28 PM
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That rings true for this season. I think one of the philosphies they could change this season is to take points when points are available early on. Instead of going for it on 4th down in the red zone on a 0-0 score early on they should stop and take the 3 points. We've done that several times this season in an effort to go up big and ultimately the game turned out badly for us. TAKE THE LOW HANGING FRUIT WHILE IT IS THERE FOR THE TAKING. I get going for it on a 4th down in the redzone when you are down by 14 in the 4th quarter, but why do that in the 1st half..ever?
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Re: TNET: Clemson needs philosophical shift, even if they win ACC
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Dec 2, 2024, 4:29 PM
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It is hard to give more when the coach is making $11,000,000 a year. Dabo could give a chunk of his salary to get it started.
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The Problem with the portal for Dabo...
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is not that he will not use it......but he wants to do it the right way. If you are a very good to great player - you are not entering the portal unless you have somewhere to go. Agents and others are approaching our players and others with $$$ to transfer. Dabo, right or wrong, will not "tamper" with the players before they enter the portal. So in our case, we will never get anyone out of the portal...unless we get an average player who wants to try their luck with the portal. In that case, Dabo would rather have a high school player to develop. How many of our players have been approached by other teams??? I am sure a bunch.
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Paw Warrior [4756]
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Re: The Problem with the portal for Dabo...
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Out coached … rinse and repeat, again.
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Re: The Problem with the portal for Dabo...
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Our OC Riley needs to be fired. He calls the play. Over the past 12 games he has squandered numerous opportunities to get a first down when we needed 3 yards or less by calling a play to throw the ball 20 plus yards down the field. Most times we were not successful. When we were playing a team with a pulse we did not make the catch. He is paid too much for very little improvement over Streeter.
Dabo should hire Willie Korn as our Coordinator. He calls plays that move the team down the field via first downs. Go watch film of games he calls as OC.
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