|
Replies: 9
| visibility 612
|
TigerNet Elite [73697]
TigerPulse: 100%
61
|
Pace vs Effort
3
Apr 17, 2025, 5:32 PM
|
|
I have lined up a thousand times (maybe more) to race my peers.
Racing peers and racing the clock are very different. I hate racing the clock but kinda what I am stuck with these days.
"Real Racers" I have known mostly race with pace. I have always raced with effort.
A good example would be races with hills (most races have those).
On the uphill and the downhill I ran with the same "effort" while many ran with "pace".
That means on uphill, pace racers must increase effort to maintain pace. On downhill they decrease effort and maintain pace.
On uphill I maintain effort which causes a decrease in pace. On downhill the same effort is an increase in pace.
Read the above again as the difference is ??
To me that means some are racing the uphill's and I am racing the down hills.
Racing for peers is mostly about who endures near the end that day.
If I am racing the downhills and you are racing uphills, who will have the endurance needed in the last stages of the race?
|
|
|
|
 |
TigerNet Elite [76000]
TigerPulse: 100%
61
Posts: 43644
Joined: 2004
|
Re: Pace vs Effort
3
Apr 17, 2025, 5:39 PM
|
|
Doesn't racing downhill hurt your knees more?
|
|
|
|
|
|
TigerNet Elite [73697]
TigerPulse: 100%
61
|
Doesn't racing downhill hurt your knees more?
1
Apr 17, 2025, 6:13 PM
|
|
I did not think any could see if I posted here.
Down hill racing is hard on not just knees, but body.
Many cannot do it due to stride. It is certain that if a race ends downhill, and I am still with you - I win.
Boston Marathon is soon. Many idiots claim it is easy as elevation drops.
The truth is there are constant up and down hills.
Many incredible racers fail here as their quads give out in the hills and they cannot deal with the last few miles down Beacon Street.
Knees are OK with up and down, best not to do much downhill training as it is not needed if that comes natural to you. I train hard for uphill, its not like I have to slow. I race with effort, not pace.
Uphill is easier on the body. Downhill beats you to death unless you slow down - and I count on folks doing that.
A good example is our Spud® who keeps extremely fit running up the steps. I doubt any here would challenge him there.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Beast [6284]
TigerPulse: 95%
40
|
Re: Pace vs Effort
1
Apr 17, 2025, 6:36 PM
|
|
Tug,I don't know how old you are but I will venture to
say that I am at least 25 years older.I will beat you up
hill or down hill or on flat paved highways and give you
a head start.Of course I will be in my car and you on foot.
You probably thought it would be fair. You the man Tug.
|
|
|
|
|
|
TigerNet Elite [73697]
TigerPulse: 100%
61
|
don't know how old you are
1
Apr 17, 2025, 6:57 PM
|
|
I will soon be 18.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Valley Legend [12375]
TigerPulse: 98%
47
Posts: 12618
Joined: 2003
|
Re: Pace vs Effort
2
Apr 17, 2025, 6:49 PM
|
|
The elite people train enough to race both. Of course at our age, choices must be made
|
|
|
|
|
|
TigerNet Elite [73697]
TigerPulse: 100%
61
|
Re: Pace vs Effort
1
Apr 17, 2025, 6:56 PM
|
|
Elite is not the deal.
Many "elite" have died in the hills of Boston.
Racing is about strategy.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Valley Legend [12375]
TigerPulse: 98%
47
Posts: 12618
Joined: 2003
|
Re: Pace vs Effort
1
Apr 17, 2025, 7:21 PM
|
|
Elite is not the deal.
Many "elite" have died in the hills of Boston.
Racing is about strategy.
Sure but the truly elite like Kip Keino ran both.
|
|
|
|
|
|
TigerNet Elite [73697]
TigerPulse: 100%
61
|
truly elite
1
Apr 17, 2025, 7:58 PM
|
|
The truly elite line up to race each other.
Keino was a racer.
Elite have the talent and do the training to win.
No matter how many line up, only one wins on any day and will lose another day.
It comes down to seconds.
Keino was not a Marathoner. He was a great runner but actually in the mile was slower than teenager Jim Ryan (no shame as most are).
|
|
|
|
|
|
TigerNet Elite [73697]
TigerPulse: 100%
61
|
Re: Pace vs Effort
1
Apr 17, 2025, 7:17 PM
|
|
Neighbors see me slogging about and think "what a looser".
They are correct, I really should give up and be happy with my fat/happy self.
If I were serious would loose 50 pounds of fat.
I aint yet that serious, but I am not yet done.
Today saw a picture of a couple guys I once jogged with. They were 20 years younger. They had talent I lacked and were college all stars.
They demanded I do my best. We traveled to races, they knew if I gave less than my best. I might win the age group and they would make fun as they knew I had slacked that day.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Replies: 9
| visibility 612
|
|
|
50
