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Clemson Icon [26363]
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Interesting theory I heard today.
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Oct 17, 2024, 9:27 PM
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FSU follows this theory to the ultimate. They are the outlier. But, here is the theory - As long as we have unrestricted free agency in football, we will see wild swings in records - to the worse - from year to year. Halfway through the season, here are a few examples of "big name" teams.
FSU 13-1 to 1-5
OK ST (picked by many to win Big 12) 10-4 to 3-3.
Kansas 9-4 to 1-5
Michigan 15-0 to 4-2
Washington 14-1 to 4-3
Michigan and Washington played for the national championship last year. Michigan is currently ranked 24th and Washington isn't ranked.
Moral of the story (FSU and Miami are the poster children), if you're going to the portal you better not miss on your QB.
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Clemson Icon [26609]
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and some on the positive side
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Oct 17, 2024, 9:31 PM
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Indiana from 3-9 to 6-0
BYU from 5-7 tp 6-0
Nebraska 5-7 to 5-1
Miami 7-6 to 6-0
Arizona State 3-9 to 5-1
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Clemson Icon [26609]
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and Pitt 3-9 to 6-0***
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Oct 17, 2024, 9:32 PM
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Rival Killer [2880]
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Re: South Carolina 5-7 to 3-3. Oh wait, they still suck !***
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Oct 18, 2024, 7:37 AM
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thanks Tiger bro you made my day ...Go Tigers
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Orange Blooded [2577]
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Offensive Star [310]
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Re: Interesting theory I heard today.
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Oct 17, 2024, 9:35 PM
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This seems more like a fact than a theory. How can you predict chemistry year to year with a roster turning over and having maybe 5 or 6 new starters on each side of the ball? I mean you can grade players individually but who knows how they will react and mesh with one another. Dabo may have the right idea keeping chemistry and the team mentality first.
I would agree to the 2nd point as well. You bring in a QB and miss on him, you’re going to be in a world of hurt. Not to mention, you’ll likely lose the trust of the team as well as the fan base
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Re: Interesting theory I heard today.
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Oct 17, 2024, 11:25 PM
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I thought this was accepted fact / settled law myself.
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Re: Interesting theory I heard today.
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Oct 17, 2024, 9:36 PM
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Pretty sure any year u could find teams like this.
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Athletic Dir [1177]
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Re: Interesting theory I heard today.
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Oct 17, 2024, 9:47 PM
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Why would anyone consider a theory from someone schooled at FSWTC...athletic department needs serious reality check...folks driving around in 100k sports cars that the license plate says FSU was the 2023 national champion ( maybe that was of the northern Seminole tribe)...and then losing by 60 in the Orange Bowl to Jawja, the math department needs some serious restructering...along with the administration who is suing the ACC cause they have not spent their money wisely! (SEEMS TO BE A TIGER DISEASE AS WELL) Maybe we can believe you later!
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Re: Interesting theory I heard today.
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:07 AM
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Come on man.
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Athletic Dir [1146]
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Michigan and Washington both lost their coach and most dynamic
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Oct 17, 2024, 10:50 PM
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players. I’m not sure the current era has much to do with that. Not everyone is Bama Clemson or UGA who keeps it rolling year after year.
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Clemson Sports Icon [54118]
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Re: Michigan and Washington both lost their coach and most dynamic
Oct 17, 2024, 11:20 PM
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Someone included Nebraska. I can assure you Matt ruhle won't go the portal route. He lost a lot of players when they brought him in so he had to get something. A lot were sophomore or rs at smaller schools.
I get what you're saying. But you have to include a lot more teams than Clemson uga and bama. People act like if a school takes players from the portal, they're subject to inconsistencies in chemistry. That's simply not the case.
Yes, it panders to the segment of the fanbase. There's a lot more Dabo's coaching than many think.
Last year Clemson 9-4 > 5-1 ??? Proves nothing.
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Orange Blooded [2553]
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Re: Michigan and Washington both lost their coach and most dynamic
Oct 18, 2024, 8:04 AM
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If they take massive numbers of transfers they are subject to inconsistency.
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Re: Interesting theory I heard today.
Oct 17, 2024, 11:39 PM
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Is the theory something new?
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Re: Interesting theory I heard today.
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Oct 18, 2024, 4:53 AM
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Only issue with me is that when you’re discussing FSU and Miami with portal QBs, you must realize that DJ isn’t in the same vicinity as Cam Ward.
You definitely WILL miss if you choose to bring a QB like DJ in out of the portal. If there ever will be another like him.
To this day man, I seriously am astonished and at a lack of words as to what Norvell was doing.
There’s not much to say. DJ was an afterthought after Clemson.
The only thing you could point to was that Oregon State had an outlier year. They won a lot of games. DJ did at Clemson too.
But now we know that Clemson was so good, they led DJ to multiple 9+ win seasons.
But we all were suffering. DJ, regardless of the amount of wins I guess, was just plain awful.
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Rival Killer [2786]
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Re: Interesting theory I heard today.
Oct 18, 2024, 8:27 AM
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Slow reader of defenses, questionable decision-maker, slow runner with limited shiftiness, lack of internal clock, inaccurate passer, lack of competitive fire, etc.
Throw in coaches that didn’t have a game-ready QB developed and ready as backup, that stuck to a predictable, limited, game plan because they didn’t trust him completely, and a stubbornness to make the needed roster adjustments to bridge the gap sooner.
No surprise in retrospect.
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Orange Immortal [66829]
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In fairness, Michigan and Washington are both breaking-in new head coaches...
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Oct 18, 2024, 6:30 AM
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and they lost a lot of players during that transition.
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Tiger Spirit [9421]
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Am I the only one who would rather see clemson go 9-3, 10-2, etc with a
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Oct 18, 2024, 7:33 AM
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consistent culture than the revolving door of players based on money?
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There are multiple intangibles which those NIL/portal based programs miss.
Oct 18, 2024, 8:06 AM
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You can't build allegiance with NIL seeking players anymore than you can build a relationship with a hooker.
The locker rooms are always going to be venues for confusion, mistrust, jealousy and a plethora of emotions which divide rather than unite. The one thing those programs can not manufacture is unity.
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Game Day Hero [4253]
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Spend the NIL on your playmakers to retain them
Oct 18, 2024, 8:24 AM
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that's what I say.
GO TIGERS CREAM da cavs
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All-Time Great [96884]
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Clemson is the outlier because we don't recruit using the NIL as a tool.
Oct 18, 2024, 8:00 AM
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Football programs' demand for more NIL funding to remain steady rather than yoyoing is going to be stunning.
Meanwhile, Clemson, Army, Navy, AF will remain steady and take advantage of that stability.
I believe your take on these circumstances is accurate, perhaps obviously simple. Good job.
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Orange Blooded [2577]
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Any mention of the military academies is a false equivalence
Oct 18, 2024, 8:37 AM
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It's not that they "don't" use the portal and NIL, it's that they "can't".
There is only one FBS school that doesn't use the portal by choice. Clemson.
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Re: Interesting theory I heard today.
Oct 18, 2024, 8:27 AM
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I think it would be easy to say the portal was a detriment to your program if most of your team left. FSU players left before their bowl game! And I suppose that when a HC leaves, so do many of the players and potential recruits. Although I have a tough time believing that some kid actually said, "Gee, I really wanted to play for Jim Harbaugh".
It's harder to connect the dots in the opposite direction. Getting these players was the direct cause for our success. I could make the case that Burrow at LSU was a good get. That's hindsight. And he wasn't out there alone. And I think we can agree that flipping a team is not the recipe for success.
Not trying to make a case one way or another. Programs are still feeling their way through this. It's really too knew and their just finding out what works and what doesn't.
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Re: Interesting theory I heard today.
Oct 18, 2024, 8:37 AM
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Bottom line, if you think wins and losses are determined by QBs (it's not) there are 70 Power schools and not even close to that many really good QBs out there. The make up of teams change every year and thinking just because a team won last year, means very little this year.
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Orange Blooded [2577]
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True...but...
Oct 18, 2024, 8:39 AM
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The issue for FSU was that they gambled on a crappy QB and lost.
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