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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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Trump kind of ran too the same way the other dodgers did. Hmmm. Anyway, yeah I always used to the name Fort Bragg. Thank you for your service.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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I joined the Military at 17 years old because I wanted to
follow my 24 year old brother by serving in the military.
My Father was a WW11 Veteran so I figured,I need to go in.
I don't believe that President Trump was a draft dodger
like yo ignorant left winged a$$holes that uphold the
Dems.in trying to slowly destroying a great country.
Thank you President Trump and God speed Sir in trying
to clean up the mess.
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Solid Orange [1320]
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No need to label peeps with demeaning terms who disagree with you. Trump
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took advantage of his resources to avoid military service. You may be a nice person but anger overshadows that possibility.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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He was a draft dodger. That part is a given. He did what a lot of privileged people would do though. He can still be a solid president and a draft dodger, which he was.
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Re: Post hijacking soiboi pinko post***
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It wasn't hijacked. There is a pitcher of Trump and draft dodgers was mentioned in the OP. It was just a comment.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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Feb 12, 2025, 8:54 PM
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Trump kind of ran too the same way the other dodgers did. Hmmm. Anyway, yeah I always used to the name Fort Bragg. Thank you for your service.
Are you saying like Biden? Let's see if you know how many deferments and exemptions Biden got. Hint: You need more than one hand to count your thumb and fingers for Sleepy Joe.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
Feb 12, 2025, 11:35 PM
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It wouldn't surprise me a bit. Probably was. And? Just saying Trump is also a draft dodger though, which he was.
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Orange Immortal [66742]
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Draft
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Times were different then.
Rich folks like George Bush served but got in the Guard.
Clinton went to England (Oxford).
Things like that are true in all walks of our life. Those special guys are the exception, maybe wrong, but it has no impact on the "need". Clay refused, Elvis did not.
Kids in college were not drafted. Married men were not drafted. Women were not drafted.
It was not like WW11 where one was in for the duration - just 18 months.
I personally know and served with many guys who were drafted. 99% are proud to have served. The education gained there for life ahead is invaluable.
The real truth is the draft is necessary for any country at war. One can say war is not necessary, but if in one, draft is necessary.
That can not be regulated by "if one agrees or not" with the current need for soldiers.
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Re: Draft
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Trump just said he had imaginary bone spurs. Yeah, but if I were rich I would have possibly avoided as well. No telling. Anyway, you now get to chill out with your beautiful birds and beautiful pond. Well deserved.
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Re: Draft
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Feb 11, 2025, 6:24 PM
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Tug, spent summer of 81 between junior and senior yr at Bragg as part of ROTC training. Must have been same barracks. On June nights, literally took a cold shower, then fell in bunk without drying off in attempt to get to sleep. Some July nights I could actually sleep under blanket though...go figure.
By the way, super impressed by 82nd personnel that trained us...some E -5's even we're college grads that could have been anything.
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Lester,has anyone ever called you an idiot?
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Re: Draft
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Feb 11, 2025, 6:29 PM
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I am familiar with being called that the way I am sure you are accustomed.
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Re: Draft
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Also, what are you disputing Einstein? What bothered you fella?
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Lester is OK, does not need me to defend him. We all see things differently as to info we have, thus the fun of debate.
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Trump derangement syndrome in action.
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Re: Draft
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For pointing out that he was also a draft dodger? He was. That doesn't mean he won't do a good job as president. You seem defensive. Isn't that a sign of TDS? Don't be so protective.
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Re: Draft
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Biden played sports for years but mysteriously got asthma after his college deferments expired. Keep going, your ignorance is surfacing again.
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My dad was married. He got drafted.
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My father was drafted as a married man with a son on the way. He was granted exception to join the National Guard where he served many years. He was poor and could afford to appeal any other way.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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Bragg was a traitor to the USA. Period. It's not complicated. And anyone saying otherwise is a traitor to the USA as well. It's not complicated. What don't you get? He took up arms against the USA. Treason. Stop it.
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Any mention of the CSA to the uneducated or the idiots sparks them to expose themselves (and why I did that).
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Re: traitor
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Is this why DSP was banned?
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Maybe you missed the part in the Articles of Confederation that talks about keeping slavery. Probably something most decent folks would realize is a good reason to see the CSA as a miserable mistake of history we can learn from.
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Definitely not cool to call anyone who served in the CSA
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a traitor. Perhaps looking back to the Civil War from 2025 it is easy to put labels on those brave Soldiers. I can't imagine having to live through that period of American history. The majority of fighting age males from the South joined the CSA or converted from the US Army to fight. Not taking sides here, but this is a complex issue that deserves more than a single word label. Many Americans lost their lives during the Civil War. All should be respected. You don't have to like it, but it is ignorant to call any Soldier a traitor for serving.
I can say if you have never served in the military and have not served in a combat zone, you are not speaking from a position of authority or understanding.
Without searching through some of my books or hitting the Googles, I'm pretty sure all Confederate Soldiers were pardoned by President Lincoln and are not traitors to the USA.
War is not pretty. It makes people afraid-I've never met anyone who wants to die. I don't condone dodging the draft, but understand why people did.
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Re: Definitely not cool to call anyone who served in the CSA
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I don't blame the regular folks who were conscripted and forced to fight for an evil and un-American cause, but Bragg should have been hanged after the war along with the rest of the Confederate leadership.
The failure of post-war Reconstruction is one of the biggest mistakes in American history. It led to men like Ben Tillman gaining power and using it to subvert democracy and lead a campaign of terror and mass murder against black South Carolinians.
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Re: Definitely not cool to call anyone who served in the CSA
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Very well said. As a state resident whose first relative to the United States fought at Kings Mountain (for the good guys ....us), great grandfather fought for the Confederacy (Hampton's 1st South Carolina Cavalry), father and both uncles fought in WW II, brother and I in Viet Nam, I don't think any of us would qualify as a traitor. My Confederate great grandfather even tried to sign up for the army in WW II at the young age of 92. The recruiter said "we will call you if we need you".
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Re: Definitely not cool to call anyone who served in the CSA
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The Civil War is only complicated to those who defend the CSA’s succession and fight for slavery, both now seen clearly as despicable acts. The Daughters of the Confederacy’s attempt to whitewash CSA history with statues honoring those soldiers has also been exposed for what it is; an attempt to cover up treason and legalized human bondage.
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In which branch of the military did you serve?
Feb 13, 2025, 9:41 AM
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Ever deploy to a combat zone?
How do you have this position of authority where you decide the Civil War is not complicated and that the Americans who died were treasonous? What and who gives you the right to pass this judgment?
Serious questions.
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Re: Definitely not cool to call anyone who served in the CSA
Feb 12, 2025, 11:34 PM
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Well said. I don't know why people defended it but I can imagine they thought or were coerced into it bc they felt like their families were threatened. No one puts their lives on the line for nothing.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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Moron. You might want to do a little research and find out who the new Ft. Bragg was named for. Moron.
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Johnny Reb doesn't approve of your characterization.***
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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......says the dude that does not understand history in the context of the time it happened ..... a time when the union was young and residents of a state felt way more loyal to their state than the union. That is why states like South Carolina and Virginia had ZERO residents join the northern army and fight for the Union.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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This argument always puzzles me. Most people act in accordance to the time frame for which they live. Only when conceptualize in modern history history in do we truly understand the impact of those decisions. Italians, Germans, and Japanese all overwhelmingly supported morally and ethically bankrupt causes during the 1930's and 40's. History has unquestionably shown this to be true. The United States civil war is often viewed through a different lense, regardless of the historical ramifications. Arguably, the civil war is the first conflict where the losing side lost the war but won the right to determine its historical perspective. The loyalty to one's state WAS stronger to ones loyalty to the union as a whole, this is true, however in a historical context that does not make it correct. As a Clemson alumnus, ROTC cadet, and current serving officer my oath was taken not to a state or a political ideology but to support and defend the constitution of the United States. Historical reflection matters. Did our ancestors (mine included) act in accordance to the time period to which they belonged? Sure. Does that excuse them of their actions? No, it does not. Truly great leaders are looked upon fondly because their actions transcend time and are equally valued as much today as in their own lifetimes. The actions of men such as John C. Calhoun, Robert E Lee or Braxton Bragg should continue to be taught and studied. However, to memoralize them as transcendent leaders would be the wrong course of action.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
Feb 12, 2025, 11:36 PM
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They led. Right or wrong. The usa tries to heal by not canceling half the union after the war. It's practical.
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Fair point. Let's go deeper though. Name another base we have named after a leader of an opposition force. Name another base we have named after one of our own who lost most of the battles they led? How about Benedict Arnold? He was a 2 star in the continental army. My point, nobody is healing from the Civil War anymore. More so, what achievements as a warrior did Braxton Bragg achieve that warranted such an honor? Taking the matter even further why is Nathan Bedford Forrest memoralized in the Tennessee State House? Look up his history, it's even more troubling. Let's not erase history, but lets put it in context.
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Don't disagree with any of your points.
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They are thoughtful and well said.
Our Civil War is unique in that our country came together after the war and thrived. We are still a very prosperous nation.
I think if some of the outspoken posters on this thread spent time on the soil of some of our adversaries they would understand how good life is in the US. I'm talking simple things like running water and reliable power...
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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Yeah except Congress blocked naming military installations after literal traitors against the republic four years ago. So now it’s named after PFC Roland Bragg who served this country in WW2
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Congress blocked
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Congress has been a bunch of blockheads, lets hope that changes going forward to making America great again.
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Those guys were loyal to their state more so than the Federal govt.
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Feb 12, 2025, 2:01 PM
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Lincoln asked Lee to lead the Union Army, but Lee decided to follow his state, VA. Not sure you can call that disloyal or traitoristic.
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Re: Those guys were loyal to their state more so than the Federal govt.
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Lee chose to fight for white supremacy and slavery. He betrayed the principles of freedom and equality upon which the US was founded. Confederate leaders like VP Alexander Stephens made it clear why they seceded:
"Our new government['s]...foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests upon the great truth, that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery—subordination to the superior race—is his natural and normal condition. This, our new government, is the first, in the history of the world, based upon this great physical, philosophical, and moral truth."
"[Slavery] was the immediate cause of the late rupture and present revolution."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornerstone_Speech
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Re: Those guys were loyal to their state more so than the Federal govt.
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You need to brush up a little on history. I am not one to argue that slavery wasn't the cause of the Civil War, but even that has to be be put into perspective. Lincoln was against the expansion of slavery into new territories and was not against it in territories where it existed. You also may not know that the Emancipation Proclamation was only for those slave holding states that were part of the rebellion.
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Re: Those guys were loyal to their state more so than the Federal govt.
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Yep a couple of loyal border states were left off temporarily.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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I spent quite a bit of time today in the office changing documents and briefings from Fort Liberty to Fort Bragg and FLNC to FBNC. Happy to do it!
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Private First Class Roland L. Bragg was a hero.
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Unlike the traitorous confederate general braxton bragg.
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Ha ha
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Duty, honor, country.***
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Re: Private First Class Roland L. Bragg was a hero.
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Sir! I take great offence to your disrespect of Gen'l Bragg. If I were able to I would simte you across the cheek with my riding crop. Then I would challenge you to a duel! Weapon of your choice Sir!
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You support a traitor and Mr. Bone Spurs
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Hilarious as you watch the country’s constitution you defended be used as toilet paper right now.
At least you won’t be alone for the true downfall, just your children and their children.
I got my popcorn ready.
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hope you have a lot of popcorn.
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Re: You support a traitor and Mr. Bone Spurs
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I did not go in the military as I was involved in the draft lottery during the Vietnam War. My draft number was 163 and they stopped drafting at 150 as they had their quota.
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Re: You support a traitor and Mr. Bone Spurs
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Folks posting here have no idea as to the prospect of being drafted and how it effects one's life.
Guys were marring ugly girls.
Guys were 'running off to Canada or Oxford.
With $ one might get into the Guard.
How kids now would react cannot not be predicted.
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Over half of the country supports him.
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Literally won the popular vote AND the electoral college.
Over half the people you know or associate with supported him enough to vote for him.
They may not openly admit it to you, but they did.
And Go Tigers!
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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Thank you and all who served for your service and sacrifice to this great country
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Thanks for your service Tug!
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Hooah!
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I tried to sign up
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to go to Ft Bragg as a recruit but in Charlotte failed the physical.
I tested deaf in one ear.
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I was at Ft.Bragg for basic training but when was
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the draft for 18 months? Was a minimum of 24 full months in 1969 - seems like they figured you would get a maximum of one year in the States and a minimum of one full year overseas. When it was clear that I was getting close to a full year in the States , I had to extend my 24 month obligation by one month in order to fit the month-long Airborne Training in and I would still have a whole year in Vietnam.
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Airborne
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On day one signed up for Airborne as I was young and crazy.
I requested it again a year later.
When I was courted to re-enlist they finally gave me a date to do that, but too late as I was in love and needed to go home.
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Re: Airborne
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Several of us in the NCO School at Benning decided to sign up together. If we had any cowardly side to us, it was that we delayed going to Vietnam , that was one more month that more VC would be taken out who could have potentially done the same to us. Sure enough- the Army Times(?) published KIA soldiers in each issue and we saw some guys who trained with us names on the list that didn’t make it through that one month.
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Orange Immortal [66742]
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cowardly side
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Folks posting on this thread with "authority" have no clue.
Their friends and family were not listed in the daily count as our friends and family died.
58,220 is the official count of "killed" but expand that many times to those who were injured for life. Years later many died early due to things like agent orange.
War is hell, and it is the kids who are called on to go to battle.
Teenagers in my day were scared sh-less of being drafted, and for good reason.
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Re: cowardly side
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My dad died bc of agent orange. My mom gets payments bc we fought for it. War is ugly.
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Re: Airborne
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Amazing you are here yourself. Wild. I appreciate your posts on the topic. They are fascinating.
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If you just joined TNet in 2024 , were you reading posts in 2020?
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If you weren’t, a few of my “50 years ago” posts are still easy to find in my profile page as Posts of the Day or HOF. Others are still in my archived posts if you can go back that far
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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Wish a real Commander in Chief would do the same with Ft.HOOD...as a new 2nd lt from Clemson served my country well from Ft. Hood...not fort Cheerios or whatever...that's what happens when you put wammabee Marxist and another group of passport patriots in charge of the military...surprised they did not change Washington DC into Clinton AC/DC!
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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I’m glad the woke decisions are one by one getting reversed. A name is a name and history is history.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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Yeah, it'll always be the Gulf of Mexico no matter what Trump says. A name is a name and history is history.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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Just curious ..... are you OK with the name of "Clemson" University.
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Should we not teach history as it occurred, not as we wish it to be?
Braxton Bragg was a confederate General Officer, but his accomplishments due not warrant the naming of a military installation. His record as a leader of troops was horrendous. If we're going to teach history let us teach all of it. Let's not pretend that Gen. Bragg received the honor for his stupendous war record. Let's recognize the fact that his name was chosen as an appeasement to the southern state of North Carolina and not to a transcendent American leader. History is multifaceted, the confederacy lost the war but for whatever reason has won the battle for its historical perspective. The United States military didnt defeat Mexico in the spanish-American war and then name a base after Gen. Santa-Anna. We didn't defeat Rommel in North Africa and proceed to name a base after him. We didn't name a base after Saddam Hussein after we toppled his regime. This is a culture war battle, renaming bases in a back handed compliment to a WW2 private who until 4 days ago was unknown doesn't make our fighting forces stronger. Audie Murphy, Chuck Yeager, Bud Anderson or any other heroes would've been better choices...but alas, they don't share the same name as a has been, but never great confederate general.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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And thanks Clover for your service.
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Who knew one person could change fort names? Seems kinda counterintuitive that on one hand we have a rich clown cutting, cutting, cutting spending and on the other have no regard for the costs of stupid decisions like changing the names of military posts. Oh well, maybe that makes sense to the 48.9 % who voted for this. Enjoy.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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What about the clown that approved changing it from Bragg to Liberty? I didn’t hear you complain about that stupid @ss clown wasting money on that one or all the other posts he had renamed. How much did he spend changing the name of all of those posts?
What about all the money your clown wasted on pushing EVs. We are not ready for those yet. We are already having power shortages as is. Our power grid cannot support it at this time. Oh, and when we have natural disasters like Helene, how the heyall are we gonna charge our cars so we can get around? Not much forward thinking by your clown and his sidekicks. Just one of many instances where your clown wasted money.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
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You sir, are hopeless. As i said, enjoy the show.
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You misspelled "majority" who voted for this...
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Feb 12, 2025, 5:40 PM
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Over half the country voted for a common sense President.
He literally won the electoral college AND the popular vote.
Go Tigers!
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Thanks for YOUR service !
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Wonderful memories of Ft Bragg in 1966-67 prior to a trip to RVN. Love the 82nd AB Animal Club after a tuff day training. Hated to see the name changed to Fort Liberty. Glad to see it changed back to Bragg.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
Feb 13, 2025, 7:25 AM
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Im not a Trump supporter in the slightest but I kind of thought renaming it Bragg after a different Bragg was funny.
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Re: Happy Ft Bragg Day
Feb 13, 2025, 8:45 AM
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Now they will just have to find another famous Lee to re-name Washington Lee University to Washington Lee University. Thank goodness it is a private institution or I am sure that would have already been done.
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