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Game Day Hero [4237]
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Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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To make finals and for Marcus Freeman also first Asian(mom is from South Korea) head coach to be in championship game.
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Ring of Honor [23642]
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How is that good history? Who cares what the race of the coach is?
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:16 PM
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Seem’s patronizing to bring up race like it’s a special accomplishment. Good coaches win. They are good coaches.
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Game Day Hero [4237]
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Freeman said it could help coaches of color get more opportunities
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:17 PM
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To coach high achieving college football programs.
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Ring of Honor [23642]
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Does anyone actually think this kind of thing through?
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:20 PM
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Does anyone think there are major universities who are waiting to see a certain skin color win a certain game before they think its safe to hire a person with a certain skin color? It’s an obviously silly and patronizing media talking point.
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Valley Legend [12918]
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Re: Does anyone actually think this kind of thing through?
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:21 PM
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It's never been done and it's been an issue in the past, so he is saying it is history and progress from the most so distant past.
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Ring of Honor [23642]
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Black dudes have been coaching football for several decades.
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:26 PM
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It’s a random meaningless stat at this point. Nobody cares what race their coach is. Everyone wants to win. It’s patronizing as heck to treat someone like they are a special case because of their skin color.
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Valley Legend [12918]
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Re: Black dudes have been coaching football for several decades.
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:28 PM
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Some people care and they are the minority. It's still a first and it's a positive. Nice how far we have come.
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Ring of Honor [23642]
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Extremely patronizing. Its a pointless distinction.
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:30 PM
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Good coaches are good coaches. Him being any race is irrelevant to his personal accomplishments.
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Game Day Hero [4237]
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Freeman thinks it does .
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:54 PM
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He brought it up as important
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Ring of Honor [23642]
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Actual full context quote from Freeman. Its patronizing to speak for him.
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:33 PM
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Answering a lame race based question about black guys that inspired him…
“There’s so many. I mean, there’s so many and so many different races. I mean, the impact Jim Tressel has had on my life, and Luke Fickell and Darrell Hazell, the guys I’ve worked for. It didn’t matter what color they were. It’s the way they went about their business, but then I’ve followed Tony Dungy from afar, reading his books, meeting with him. Mike Tomlin from afar. Todd Bowles, I mean, there’s great coaches, but you don’t just follow them because of the color of their skin,” Freeman said.
“You follow them because of their actions and the men of integrity they are, and their hard work. I think of Nick Saban. I think of Kirby Smart. I mean, those are guys — You got to be yourself, but you’re a fool if you don’t study what the best do. There’s something that they do that is helping them have success. So, I have to be Marcus Freeman, but I’m going to study the best. I want to study those guys, and some of them happen to be minorities, and some of them don’t.”
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TigerNet Immortal [169791]
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Three pointer from half court.***
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:52 PM
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Top TigerNet [29938]
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Pointless... to you.
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:22 PM
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Not, evidently, to others. Representation matters. Seeing folks who look like you succeed on the biggest stage allows for folks to begin to believe anyone can achieve things regardless of race, creed, color, nationality, or any other factor that has historically been used to divide.
Also, lets not pretend that they spent more than a minute or two of the whole game coverage talking about it
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Ring of Honor [23642]
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Its random to pretend like things that happened 60 years ago are
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:44 PM
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somehow relevant to Marcus Freeman’s coaching career.
It’s equally ridiculous to pretend that all of us witnessing Freeman do well at Notre Dame change ANYONE’s mind about society.
This topic was extremely relevant…. Like 40 years ago.
Now it’s just patronizing and awkward.
Black coaches won super bowls decades ago. We had a black president over a decade ago.
Black guys are guys just like everyone else. People should be treated with respect, not like they deserve a special trophy for skin color or gender. Marcus Freeman is a good coach. Period.
Are we a sexist society because there are no women coaches? Do we all hate gays because theres no gay coaches? How many hispanic coaches do we need to make the playoffs to prove we are an equal society? Focusing on identity is stupidity.
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Are you always this tone deaf?***
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:03 AM
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Game Changer [1883]
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Re: Are you always this tone deaf?***
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:10 AM
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So he’s tone deaf for asking a question about sports and what they choose? One thing that’s consistent of every team I’ve been a part of. Best players and coaches were a part of it. No one didn’t make it bc of color, sexuality, or any other stupid reason. Try to understand sports before calling someone tone deaf.
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Tiger Titan [47925]
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No, he is tone deaf because he has zero willingness to consider this issue
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Jan 10, 2025, 8:18 AM
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from anyone’s perspective other than his own.
“Understanding sports” has nothing to do with the fact that this year will be the first time a black coach has been in the national championship game. Why does that being pointed out bother you?
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Game Day Hero [4237]
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Ok. Black
Jan 9, 2025, 10:25 PM
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Does that work?
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Game Changer [1893]
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Re: that's probably true..
Jan 9, 2025, 10:26 PM
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But you have to wonder if it's really an issue anymore. Guys just want the best leader for their program. Not sure.
As a sidebar, while it will be the first black coach, it's also not the first fully black coach. Both are mixed race with Freeman being clear much more African American than Asian. As for Franklin, I still really don't consider him black at all and really not sure one thing about him would tell me he is considered African American/black.
That's just my take on it.
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Game Changer [1893]
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Re: And I'll add while I respect both guys
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:28 PM
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I love Marcus Freeman.. seems very relatable and an easy choice to play for.
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Re: that's probably true..
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:24 PM
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As for Franklin, I still really don't consider him black at all and really not sure one thing about him would tell me he is considered African American..
This is hilarious. Does he need to offer proof? If you need any...here's some. One od his daughters has Sickle Cell Anemia. And while this isn't solely a "Black person's disease" it is definitely more prevalent in Black people. and it is recessive. So both Franklin and his wife must carry the gene.
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Game Day Hero [4237]
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Yeah cause for people of color race has never been
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:24 PM
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A defining factor in the history of this country!!! Sarcasm of course. Compare the percentage of players and impact players to coaches ethnically. There was a well founded reason why the NFL had to take action in this area.
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Ring of Honor [23642]
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That issue has been dead for over a generation. Its moot and awkward now.
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:28 PM
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Coaches are just coaches. Neither of these guys are downtrodden victims. It’s insulting to them to treat them differently because of their skin color. Respect is treating someone normally based on merit.
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Game Changer [1883]
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Re: Yeah cause for people of color race has never been
Jan 9, 2025, 11:54 PM
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You are right. I hope the chiefs go for a 3peat and they ask Travis Kelcie how he feels about representing the minority in the NFL and Ike he represents minorities like us whites. Maybe if the few keep succeeding we can get more opportunities to make it bc the #### nfl is holding us down right brown? Glad you called out the hypocrisy the black man gets all the advantage in the nfl and the slower white folk are held back bc of skin color and no way there’s anything else to it like maybe the players drafted are just better. That can’t be it it’d prejudice against white people. Makes sense you idiot
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Re: Yeah cause for people of color race has never been
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:57 PM
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Umm..nice try bud. I think the story is going over your head.
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Game Changer [1883]
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Re: Yeah cause for people of color race has never been
Jan 9, 2025, 11:59 PM
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What story fella
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Valley Legend [12918]
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Re: Yeah cause for people of color race has never been
Jan 10, 2025, 12:00 AM
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The little diatribe you wrote. It's almost as if you were writing on the wrong thread or didn't understand the topic.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:17 PM
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Yeahh there's the first of something every single year
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always about race***
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:23 PM
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Why does that matter?
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Valley Legend [12918]
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 9, 2025, 11:50 PM
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Because of history. It should have never mattered. Now we have come so far.
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All the folks wondering why "it matters".
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:30 PM
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Have you considered, for one second, that it's not about YOU and how you feel?
You're not always the target audience, and that's okay.
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Ring of Honor [23642]
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So its about you? Or are you speaking FOR someone else
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:35 PM
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in order to make yourself feel morally special?
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:31 PM
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Race isnt ever an issue until people push narratives. I like Freeman and dont care what his ethnicity is, and Im pulling for ND. So a coaches color makes these games better history than Saban winning his 7th, or Dabo winning his first or whatever? I never even thought about Freeman or Franklin being of whatever until you brought it up. When people stap talking about is when people will stop seeing it.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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I thought we were past judging someone based on the color of their skin. And yet it keeps getting stirred back up.
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Game Changer [1883]
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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America is way past that. There’s a select few who aren’t. America (for those who haven’t left the country are way past it) is far superior for opportunity for all. Before the game I was cheering on Notre dame bc I really like freeman as a coach. After his post game speech where he said this win was as for blacks, Asians, whites, just for good people to lead young men. Outside of dabo he’s my second favorite coach in all of sports.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 9, 2025, 11:59 PM
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Generally we are much further along, but that's where you don't get the story. There weren't the black coaches and it is finally being done and it's a positive. It just points out how far we have come. That's all.
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Game Changer [1883]
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 12:01 AM
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No maybe you missed the point. It’s about good people leading young people. Freeman literally called out blacks, Asians, and whites and left it at good people leading young men. He’s a great coach and a great person. Only idiots turn into race and anything other than he’s a good dude.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach***
Jan 9, 2025, 10:44 PM
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach***
Jan 9, 2025, 10:44 PM
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:46 PM
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I always find it so amusing when those that get on their politically correct high horse about race ALWAYS sound the most racist
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Valley Legend [12918]
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 9, 2025, 11:50 PM
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Nice story bro. Not in this scenario.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Thanks for pointing that out. I never gave a second thought about either of their color.
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Valley Legend [12918]
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:51 PM
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That's how far we have come. It used to matter and now it shows how far we have come. It's great.
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Re: What about both men being bi-racial? Just the black side gets credit?
Jan 10, 2025, 8:48 AM
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There was no such thing as bi-racial in the US until fairly recently. If you had "one drop" of black ancestry, you were considered black and treated as such. Most people would describe Freeman as black if shown a photo of him.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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I was a little surprised to learn it hasn't happened already, but sometimes I forget it's only been 50-60 years since southern schools began admitting black students and athletes. There are people on this board who attended Clemson when it was still segregated. Those days might seem like ancient history now, but they really aren't.
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TigerNet Immortal [169791]
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Hes not mentally handicapped or anything.
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:27 PM
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Why you wanna pat him on the head like getting to the natty game was somehow punching above his weight?
He’s a man and a damngood coach, period.
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LOL
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:33 PM
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Don’t forget the Transes!
I’m sure there’s gotta be a tranny somewhere in his family at least.
Why would you leave them out? Hmm…
Don’t be such a bigot.
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No one cares. He said it himself...it's about his merit
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NOT his race nor ethnicity.
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Valley Legend [12918]
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Re: No one cares. He said it himself...it's about his merit
Jan 9, 2025, 11:54 PM
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Actually people did. A lot of people came out and said he was only hired because he was black etc etc. Those people were fools of course. The real issue is that used to be a major issue and it isn't so much and that is something to celebrate. It's a positive note a negative. It will no longer need to be talked about now that is finally done.
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Ring of Honor [23642]
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It was done already. Now we have to have it in each CONFERENCE championship.
Jan 9, 2025, 11:58 PM
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All the divisions. Every state. First to win 2, 3 etc.
It’s clearly stupid and insulting.
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Game Changer [2043]
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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This may be the dumbest post I’ve ever read on Tnet. And I’ve been observing this chaos since the spring of 1997.
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Dynasty Maker [3205]
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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The Tiger Woods of football 🤣
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 7:59 AM
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Can we finally drop all the handles we hang on people. The first this the first that and the other. Coach Freeman is a dang good coach who has made the Pope's Pupils relevant again. As a person he would be successful in any endeavor not because of his color but because of his ability to achieve great things. JMO
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 8:05 AM
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I'd almost certainly guarantee you there are more people pulling for ND because their coach is black than there are people pulling against ND because their coach is black. Both of these groups of people are racists yet only one gets called out for it. Ever wonder why that is?
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Game Changer [1787]
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 8:09 AM
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Nobody cares
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Orange Blooded [2516]
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It's funny
Jan 10, 2025, 8:59 AM
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Until TNet started talking about the race (technically raceS, since both men are mixed) of the two coaches, I hadn't -- even for a second -- thought about it. Not for one second. But unfortunately, now I am.
To me, they're college coaches. That's it.
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