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Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
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Aug 29, 2023, 8:34 PM
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Other than academics.
Viewership? Because only Stanford been any good in Football and that been mediocre at best over the last 40+ years.
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Game Changer [1843]
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
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Aug 29, 2023, 8:35 PM
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I’m all ears as well
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CU Medallion [20852]
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
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Aug 29, 2023, 8:35 PM
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Numbers... trying to keep the ACC at 15 teams after the defections (whenever that might be).
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Orange Elite [5480]
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 29, 2023, 8:38 PM
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This⬆️. ACC needs to maintain 15 schools
to prevent ESPN from renegotiating the TV deal. ACC pretty much knows Clemson and FSU plans.
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National Champion [7948]
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All-Pro [718]
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Re: Also increased carriage fees in CA and Texas along with
Aug 30, 2023, 10:36 AM
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Not really. The ACC network is not on standard cable packages and usually has to be purchased within a separate sports package, so only the people that want the ACC network will pay for it. Looking at some back of the napkin math, these three new teams brought in a combined 2 million viewers per week. Multiply that by the $.73 share ESPN makes for the ACC network, and multiply that by 12, and you're looking at an add of roughly $17.5 million based on the data we've got, then do a split of 50/50 between the ACC and ESPN, and you're down to $8.75 million, all before you factor in any operating costs. Now, you'll probably have more than their combined viewership sign up, but that's unquantifiable at this point.
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Valley Protector [1437]
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Re: Also increased carriage fees in CA and Texas along with
Aug 30, 2023, 2:34 PM
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That's not really true. For example, if someone buys a sports package to get BTN or SECN, then the ACC gets fees from that subscriber as well. If that subscriber is within the ACC's footprint, then the ACC gets a larger fee.
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National Champion [7948]
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that's not accurate - all the major providers carry ACCN -
Aug 30, 2023, 5:48 PM
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for some like YoutubeTV it is in the base package for others it's not really a standalone. As in, ESPN forces it on you like in conjunction with SECN etc. There are fees already for every subscriber in those states where its either included in base or the package they are subscribing to to get some other sports channels. The difference is that when you have a team from that market, the contracts are written that the fee goes to an in-market fee. So that .73 is say tripled for example. And its not SMU, Cal, Stanford viewers, its every subscription in that state that has a package that includes ACCN which again is not a la carte offering - you get it either in base or with some combination of various sports network. So the guy that wants SECN in CA is also contributing to ACCN biz even if he doesn't watch.
This is why SEC, B10 and ACC were always at an advantage over the B12 by having their own network longterm and over the PAC12 as the PAC couldn't get all the national distributors on board. The Pac couldn't get it largely because time zone and historically unable to win over east coast due to that...
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All-Pro [718]
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Re: that's not accurate - all the major providers carry ACCN -
Aug 30, 2023, 6:08 PM
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While that’s true as well, we also don’t know how many people in those markets already have those add on packages for the SEC and Big 10 network. I wonder how saturated the market already is, and if the ACC network would even gain those additional 2 million households, or if they’ve already got the channels. I think that’s part of the reason ESPN is not giving additional money equal to current school payouts.
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National Champion [7948]
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the fees automatically go up by becoming in-market vs
Aug 31, 2023, 12:41 PM
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currently being out of market - it would apply to all current subscriptions. ACCN is always part of same package as SEC so if you have one you are paying for the other. Pretty much the same with B10 not many places/packages where you can get 1 and not the other. The difference is for all, are you in market or out of market. The B10 adding MD and Rutgers had a lot to do with this. As for cord cutting, it doesn't matter, the streaming services have similar contracts. ACCN/SECN/BIG are all on the streaming packages together. There are only a handful of sports channels included in lower packages- ESPN, ESPN2, FS1 and NBCSN. Basically if you want any sports channel besides those, you'll be buying the ACCN whether you want it or not. I'm pretty sure it's included on more packages than even ESPNU. ESPN forces this and will continue to do so because that is part of the ACCN agreement with the league and they are 50% owners
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
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Aug 29, 2023, 8:56 PM
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It is not just how good they have been. Don't you think that Cal and Stanford fans across the country and people in California would like to see teams they never see? Cal v Clemson, Stanford v FSU, Cal v Miami, Stanford v North Carolina etc? There is history of those schools playing ACC schools in basketball and the same games as in football would certainly attract viewers. As for SMU, they are actually pretty good in football with 3 National Championships and Bowls 5 of the last 6 years. Same tv deal as Cal and Stanford.
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Commissioner [1224]
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Checked on SMU 3 claims of Nattys
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Aug 29, 2023, 9:28 PM
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Most people accept that 1936 was the beginning true valid Nattys
1935 there were 4 schools claiming 2 were undefeated and SMU was no, TCU also claimed it at 12-1 also
1981 if SMU was NC then Clemson must not of been
1982 Penn St 11-1 beat 11-0 Georgia in Sugar and was both AP & UPI NC SMU was 11-0-1 maybe they were they weren’t
So SMU claims seems to be as legit at UCF in 2017
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 29, 2023, 8:57 PM
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Lousy football?
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Orange Blooded [2119]
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
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Aug 29, 2023, 9:03 PM
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Absolutely nothing! If there was value football wise, the B1G or Big 12 would have already gobbled them up! Matter of fact, if they had football value, there could possibly still be a PAC 12!
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Orange Blooded [2423]
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Warm bodies
Aug 29, 2023, 9:27 PM
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SMU’s beating heart is literally of the Jarvis-7 variety bought and paid for with oil money.
ACC is in desperation mode.
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 29, 2023, 9:28 PM
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Nothing in terms of football
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
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Aug 29, 2023, 9:35 PM
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they are the best available since the ACC was so slow to add anyone. They should have moved quicker with Arizona, Arizona State, Utah, Colorado. And tried to get either Texas Tech or TCU and Oklahoma State. Would have liked to see Cincinnati also.
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 29, 2023, 9:51 PM
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Yes and they will as soon as someone figures out what they bring.
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
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Aug 29, 2023, 9:55 PM
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Nothing.. Not a darn thing. It is very clear that Notre Dame and ESPN are making the decisions and everyone else is along for the ride. Embarrassing is an understatement...
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
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Aug 29, 2023, 9:59 PM
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2 of them bring Communism.
SMU --I think they want to climb back up the football ladder.
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Letterman [153]
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 29, 2023, 11:35 PM
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First off, let me say I am NOT in favor of adding Sancalsmu. However, the beancounters, who seem to be keeping this alive see one thing, late-night west coast eyeballs. Now a late ACC game ends at 11:00, maybe midnight. However a late game in Cali could last to 2:00 am. Yes, there will be zombies and fratties that have caught their second wind that will watch, and would not have been watching the ACCN previously. On the off chance this thing has a life I would hope that it was a football-only membership as sending some of the olympic sports team on a west coast tour is just cruel and wasteful.
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 29, 2023, 11:48 PM
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I feel like the ACC would have been better off going after a different Texas team, maybe TCU. SMU is not a good choice.
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Freshman [8]
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 29, 2023, 11:56 PM
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Here is what they bring:
SMU - higher ACCN rate in Texas
Stanford - higher ACCN rate in California and awesome academics
California - higher ACCN rate in California and great academics
I'm not saying it's good, but that is what they bring.
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The odd feeling that we have a lot in common with Boston College…
Aug 30, 2023, 12:12 AM
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…relatively speaking.
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Top TigerNet [32629]
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that Acapulco gold***
Aug 30, 2023, 8:08 AM
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Heisman Winner [80818]
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Left coast Liberalism, which, as everybody knows, is just
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Aug 30, 2023, 8:15 AM
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what the ACC needs to survive.
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Clemson Icon [27703]
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Keeping 15 teams in the conference.
Aug 30, 2023, 8:26 AM
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It gives Wake and BC and Cuse, etc, the security of knowing that when Clemson and FSU leave, ESPN will still ahve to honor their TV contract and will not be able to renegotiate it to a much lower dollar level. It gives them a few more years before the plug is pulled.
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CU Guru [1540]
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This!!! ^^^^^^
Aug 30, 2023, 4:24 PM
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Sheer numbers. ACC needs to avoid dropping below 15 teams when the defections occur. If they fall below that threshold, the contract will be renegotiated (downward) by ESPN. It’s being speculated that Clemson and FSU (and ?) can leverage a vote to add these teams to get some sort of concession, like an easier/cheaper/earlier exit. If all this is true and can unfold in this manner, you should want this to happen. That logic has nothing to do with whether the additional teams are “good” additions for the ACC.
Disclaimer: I just read all the crap out there and try to process it. This line of thought seems to be out there being bandied about by people a lot more connected than me - admittedly a very low bar.
Go Tigers!
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Re: Why yes, yes I can............
Aug 30, 2023, 9:09 AM
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 30, 2023, 9:41 AM
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Rowing!???
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Game Changer [2031]
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A faster exit for us, I hope.
Aug 30, 2023, 9:54 AM
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Top TigerNet [31004]
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 30, 2023, 9:59 AM
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Stanford is top class in Olympic sports. I know they may not bring much to the table for Football, but they are pretty competitive in most other sports.
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 30, 2023, 1:07 PM
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Well, SMU brings the great historical footnote of being the team that got the death penalty back in the 80's. That's unique history right there. So, that'll be great.
Stanford brings their band, which is the only band in the history of college football that helped their team lose a game.
Cal brings a stadium that is literally built on top of a major earthquake fault. So, if we attend a game out there, there's always a chance of the stadium being swallowed up by the Earth.
This is a win-win for everybody (eyes roll).
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 30, 2023, 3:33 PM
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Nice view at least while the stadium crumbles to the ground...
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Cross over buddies for BC and SYR
Aug 30, 2023, 1:16 PM
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The other geographic misfit toys. Might as well just put them together with LV, ND, SMU, OSU & WSU to make their own division.
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Explanations
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Aug 30, 2023, 3:09 PM
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1) An administrative & organizational attempt by ACC leadership to save face with three schools the B1G and the SEC have zero interest.
2) A short-term crutch for Notre Dame to pad their athletic schedules with prestigious academic and poor football schools.
3) An intermediate arrangement which will devolve into a cost-prohibitive and logistical nightmare for east coat schools and athletes.
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 30, 2023, 3:42 PM
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World Class virtue signaling mass snowflake hysteria.
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Recruit [96]
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 30, 2023, 4:01 PM
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Quite a bit actually:
Check it out https://twitter.com/CalFootball
Aaron Rodgers, Marshawn Lynch, DeSean Jackson, Cam Jordan, Keenan Allen, Jared Goff...
Most NFL Super Bowl starting QBs = No.1 Cal (5), No.2 Alabama (3)
Cal's record in the 2000's against SEC, ACC, B1G
SEC 3-1
ACC 4-1
B1G 8-5
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Nerdy Gurlz and Wacko Left Wing Playpals for UNC***
Aug 31, 2023, 8:19 AM
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Game Changer [1641]
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 31, 2023, 8:42 AM
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Can't vouch for SMU or Standfrod but you get an outstandingly beautiful campus yet weird people in Cal.
Cal was theoretically the #1 team in the country for about 30 mins on October 13, 2007... after a huge upset by Arkansas over LSU that day, 5-0 and #2 ranked Cal was primed to take the top spot with a 4th quarter lead against Oregon State and blew it. Cal hasn't been the same since.
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 31, 2023, 1:01 PM
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Sure. Absolutely nothing. You are welcome.
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Rival Killer [2913]
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A little more media coverage...
Aug 31, 2023, 1:36 PM
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...and some loooooong road trips.
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Orange Beast [6536]
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Re: Can someone explain to me what Stanford Cal & SMU brings to ACC?
Aug 31, 2023, 5:26 PM
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Yes, Nothing.
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