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Game Changer [2053]
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Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:20 AM
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"The Best of 3 games" wild card series was implemented in 2022. In 2022 The Dodgers, Braves, Astros and Yankees (by far the best teams in baseball throughout the season) all had to sit at their houses and watch the wild card series'. The Dodgers(1) lost to the Padres(5) 3 games to 1, and the Braves(2) lost to the Phillies(6) 3 games to 1 as well. The Yankees(2) were barely able to squeak out a series win against the Indians(3), just to get swept by the 'Stros (Most likely due to cheating, but I digress).
Fast-forward to 2023 and we are seeing the same thing happen again. The best team in baseball, the Braves, whose offense was record-breaking all season are now suffering the consequences of having to sit on the couch while the wild card teams get to see live pitching and real postseason environments. They are now on the brink of being sent home once again by the Phillies. The Orioles, who were outstanding all season, were SWEPT by the 5th-seed Rangers. The Dodgers were swept by the 6th-seed Diamondbacks and get to watch the rest of the postseason from their couches. Barring a miraculous comeback from the Braves, the Astros will be the ONLY non-wildcard team to compete in a championship series.
All this to say that baseball is a game of momentum. The break these guys get during the wildcard series' is longer than the All-Star break, and we've all seen what that can do to players. You are punished for winning your division in this new format, and it would probably suit teams better to shoot for clinching a wildcard spot. It is ruining great team's chances of winning a world series and it needs to change quickly for the better of the sport. GO BACK TO 1 GAME WILDCARDS!
I am finished venting now. As always, GO TIGERS!
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Paw Warrior [4630]
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Yep. Its obvious the week off hurt the Braves.
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:24 AM
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MLB needs to fix it.
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Paw Master [17920]
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Re: Yep. Its obvious the week off hurt the Braves.
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Oct 13, 2023, 8:06 AM
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Each League just seed 8 teams and have a 3 game series with 1 - 8, 2 -7, 3 -6, 4 - 5. The 4 winners play a 5 game series and the 2 winners play a 7 game league championship series and the it's on to the World Series.
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Orange Phenom [14492]
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MLB postseason tournament has really made having
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:26 AM
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an outstanding regular season meaningless.
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Hall of Famer [8383]
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Re: MLB postseason tournament has really made having
Oct 12, 2023, 9:45 PM
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Exactly this. It’s turning into the NBA.
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Paw Master [16295]
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Best answer is to take top 4 teams and eliminate wild card.
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:37 AM
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Or you could keep it like it is, but allow the top seeds to play in the wild card while making the bottom seeds sit out.
If it's an advantage to play, then let the top seeds have the option to play.
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Game Changer [2053]
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Re: Best answer is to take top 4 teams and eliminate wild card.
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:51 AM
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They gotta let 'em play! They let all the seeds play in the "wild card series" in 2020. The two teams that made the World Series were 1-seed LA Dodgers and you guessed it, the 1-seed Tampa Bay Rays. The NLCS was the Dodgers(1) vs. The Braves(2). The ALCS was the Rays(1) vs. Astros(6). The Astros seem to always turn it up in the postseason. I wonder how they manage that.
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Hall of Famer [8308]
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Re: Best answer is to take top 4 teams and eliminate wild card.
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Oct 12, 2023, 11:35 AM
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They "let them" because there were 8 teams in each league in the playoffs that year. You can't do that with 6 teams.
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Head Coach [903]
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Re: Best answer is to take top 4 teams and eliminate wild card.
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Oct 12, 2023, 11:44 AM
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One game wild card play in. NLDS, NLCS, and WS are best of 7. Same number of games. Same amount of advertiser's dollars. Better situation for those who played well in the regular season.
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Paw Warrior [4933]
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:45 AM
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The only team that seems to be immune to this is Houston. But I agree. You can't take a week off from baseball and expect to play your best. It's really disappointing. Also the Braves seemed to have taken the last month off after they clinched so early. Seems the teams that were fighting for a spot at the end do better because they can keep their momentum.
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National Champion [7246]
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:48 AM
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The Braves are not losing because the wild card games lmfao dude
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Game Changer [1851]
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:54 AM
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Small sample size randomness is apart of baseball. Sorry its happening to your team (still have a chance)... otherwise lets just take the Regular season AL leader vs the regular season NL leader and start the World Series.
Playoff baseball is awesome, even if "The Best" teams don't move forward.
Go Tigers
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Orange Blooded [2101]
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
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Oct 12, 2023, 10:56 AM
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In 2022 in the AL, the top 2 teams ended up in the ALCS and one of those teams won the World Series. Just because it hasn't worked out in the NL the way you want it to, doesn't mean it's wrong.
Look at the NHL. Only TWICE has the best team in the regular season (AKA the President's Trophy Winner) gone on to win the Stanley Cup in the last 20 years. And only 1 other made it to the Stanley Cup Finals. But all those teams played right away and didn't have a bye.
The Braves themselves went 44-29 (.603 win%) after the All-Star Break and lost 8 of their 23 series. For the year, they were 104-58 (.642 win%), meaning they had a fairly average 2nd half of the season after starting 60-29 (.674 win%).
Bottom line is, the Braves have their top 2 pitchers ready to go for Games 4 and 5. If they can't win both of those, then tip your cap to the Phillies. And rather than complain about the Wild Card Series being 3 games, complain about the LDS being only 5. It should be 7. Years of 1-game "play-in" games in the Wild Card Series proved that MLB needed to move to a series format. So what they should do is increase the amount of games in the next series from 5 to 7.
And I'll leave you with this last note - Eventually MLB will expand to 32 teams and with that will be the addition of 2 more teams in the Postseason. They'll break up the divisions to look more like football (4 divisions with 4 teams per league). And basically the Top 2 teams in each Division will advance to the Postseason. When that happens, the No. 1 seed will play the No. 8 seed. There won't be a long break in between.
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Game Changer [2053]
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
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Oct 12, 2023, 11:21 AM
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The Diamondbacks went 32-39 after the all-star break with a -42 run differential. The Dodgers went 49-24 with a +131 run differential.
The Rangers went 38-33 with a +17 run differential while the Orioles went 47-26 with a +81 run differential.
The Braves went 44-29 with a +84 run differential (4th best in that time span) while the Phillies are 42-31 with a +72 run differential (this includes the postseason so far and they are still 8th best in that time span).
Bringing up those stats further proves my point. You can't sit here and tell me that all three of those teams just forgot how to pitch and hit. The Orioles and Dodgers were the two best teams after the All-Star break and were both SWEPT in a 5-game series by teams that ranked 13th (Rangers) and 20th (Diamondbacks) in that same time span.
This isn't just about the Braves. This is about all of the clubs that are punished for winning their division. Baseball is not hockey. It is a sport of timing and when you don't see live pitching for a week, it can hurt you for months. There is a reason the MLB pre-season is so long.
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Orange Blooded [2101]
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
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Oct 12, 2023, 12:27 PM
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It's not unlike any sport - any team can win on any given day. You can use all the stats you want, but at the end of the day, we lost to Duke by 21 points. Doesn't matter how many yards we outgained them by. Same with FSU.
The Braves, Dodgers, Orioles - they're not different. They had (or have had) a bad series. That has nothing to do with having 6 days off. If it did, it would affect every Bye team. And as you know, it hasn't.
That's baseball.
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
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Oct 12, 2023, 1:34 PM
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So, are we just posting stats with no context? Because I can tell you with the Rangers you had 5 of their 6 All Star starters go on the IL, plus losing another 2 starting pitchers to the IL. Care to guess what happened right before the playoffs started? That would be Josh Jung and Adolis Garcia came back, Nate Eovaldi got back into form, and they called up some rando named Evan Carter. Not sure if you've watched the Rangers games, but I'd say those just mentioned, have had a pretty big impact, showing that them not being in the lineup and healthy might have skewed the numbers you just listed.
Yes, this is about the Braves, because no fan base has been whinier about the issue, and that A on the hats is starting to make them act like entitled Bama fans rather than what used to be a pleasant fan base.
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Solid Orange [1389]
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
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Oct 12, 2023, 11:36 AM
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The dodgers lost 3-0
If you lose the first three in a 7 game series you dead anyway.
Same with Baltimore
If the braves lose the next game that 3-1....in a 7 games series they dead anyway...
If they win the next one and it's 2-2 they series being 5 games worked to their advantage
I don't see how it's a issue
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
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Oct 12, 2023, 11:48 AM
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It’s not it’s the week off that made the difference and has absolutely nothing to do with the Braves. It’s happened repeatedly to the best teams from a large enough sample size for even fans of winning teams to take off the tinted glass and say that’s what’s happening. Sure it sucks for the Braves and it’s great for the Phillies but it doesn’t change the fact that the week off has negatively affected the best teams
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Tiger Cub [16]
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Oct 12, 2023, 12:11 PM
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I fail to see how a 5 day break makes that much of an impact. Its not a week. If anything that helps the team that got 5 days because now there entire starting pitcher rotation has almost gone through its break rotation. So this should have 0 impact on pitching you may have a slight argument for cooling off bats but these are pro ball players they are not getting effected by a 5 day break. The all star break is longer and has minimal impact. Baseball is just a very unpredictable sport where the best team does not win just like the fella above said about Hockey these team sports are much more unpredictable and more relevant to the any given sunday quote.
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Game Changer [2053]
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
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Oct 12, 2023, 12:34 PM
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The All-Star break is 4 days. The break the Braves had between the end of the Nationals and the beginning of the division series' was 5 days. 5 day break for the Dodgers, Orioles and Astros as well. Players typically go into a slump for a few weeks after the All-Star break, so what makes this any different? There is a huge difference in timing up a 60 mph ball in BP on your week off and playing in a game trying to hit a 97 mph fastball with movement.
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Tiger Cub [16]
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Oct 12, 2023, 12:58 PM
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Um no it was 5 days. There last game of regular season was Oct 1st first game back was on Oct 7th they did not play 2,3,4,5 and 6 that is only 5 off days.
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
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Oct 12, 2023, 1:08 PM
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I edited the original. Thank you for the correction!
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Hall of Famer [8308]
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Game Changer [1977]
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
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Oct 12, 2023, 12:56 PM
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The week off is meaningless. There's no meaningful correlation between the all-star break and player performance drop off which is the same time off. It's just an excuse fans of higher seeds make when their team loses.
I'm not sure why you're that surprised. I guess maybe 2021 fooled some people, but choking in the postseason is a time honored Braves tradition.
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
Oct 12, 2023, 1:16 PM
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The Braves scrimmaged the Gwinnett Stripers during the lay off but not the same experience.
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
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Oct 12, 2023, 1:26 PM
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No it's not. Different sport, but NFL top teams get a first round bye, and you don't hear issues about it, and they have smaller margin for error because it's 1 game and win or go home. At least in baseball you're going into a best of 5 series, so you have the opportunity to come out flat and still recover. I'm a Rangers fan, and luckily I haven't heard any birds fans crying about us taking them behind the woodshed (I live in Maryland so I'm surrounded by them), because it would be utter nonsense. As someone else mentioned, the layoff is essentially that of the All Star break.
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Solid Orange [1389]
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
Oct 12, 2023, 7:13 PM
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No
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Give the top seeds the option of playing or sitting. Wonder
Oct 12, 2023, 9:48 PM
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which one they will pick?
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TV destroyed Baseball just like it does everything else
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Instead of a meaningful regular season with only the winner going to the Series, TV invents layers of playoff series to show.
TV gets more revenue, but 6th place teams win the World Series.
Wow - can't imagine paying what people pay to go see one of those 162 meaningless scrimmages.
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Game Changer [2053]
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
Oct 13, 2023, 8:44 AM
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Just saw a stat that said the 5 teams with the best regular season records went 1-12 in the postseason this year. That is no coincidence. There is a reason Manfred is receiving heat. It’s pretty obvious what this new format is doing.
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
Oct 13, 2023, 8:54 AM
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That stat has nothing to do with the format, and the person giving that stat is talking out of their ###. Are we talking top seeds, or top records. Clearly the Astros were a top seed, and they won 3 games, so that already hits the credibility of that stat since it omits them to skew the numbers. The Rays, had one of the top records, and played in the wildcard round, but were swept.
Top teams in the NFL have a bye week, and they only get one game, yet they've managed it. MLB teams are going to need to learn to manage it as well, either that, or add 4 more teams to the playoffs and no one gets a bye.
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Game Changer [2053]
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
Oct 13, 2023, 9:14 AM
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It’s become very obvious that you are seeing through tinted glasses and getting upset, yet are calling everyone else the whiners. You’re team was one of the teams that benefited from this format. Good luck to the Rangers. You act as if it is only Braves fans that are upset about this, but obviously that would be your main sample size seeing as you’re on Tigernet. Maybe go to USC’s boards and see what Dodgers fans think. The overwhelming sentiment around the league is that this format is hurting the division winners, and that is why Manfred has had to make statements about it.
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
Oct 13, 2023, 9:37 AM
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No one is getting upset, but rather calling out the ridiculous "stat" pulling that is occurring to try to support your argument. You just posted that you didn't like the format, and then posted a stat that had nothing to do with the format as it encapsulated both teams that did and did not play in the wildcard round. Tigernet is hardly my only sample size as I live in Maryland and am surrounded by Orioles fans and have heard, at most, 2 people complain about the time off. The reason it and Manfred are getting so much blame is because it's easier to blame outside factors than to admit that you didn't play well. Let's not pretend that some of the teams, like the Dodgers, haven't been choking every post season (except COVID) prior to the format change either.
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Rival Killer [2905]
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Re: Best of 3 Wild Card Series is punishing good teams
Oct 13, 2023, 9:07 AM
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So if you're worried about the time off, then don't take time off.
Go through the same routine as you'd keep through the playoffs. In those five days off, take one to scrimmage against Gwinnett and another to split your squad and play against each other.
"Oh, no, but that will throw off our pitching rotation!!!" I guess it doesn't really matter if you're going to go home after three or four games anyway.
Champions will have champion mentality. If you can't overcome a few days off (like that's "adversity"), then you deserve to be watching from home.
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