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Asst Coach [896]
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Good coaches have bad days. Bad coaches can be bailed out by good play.
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Mar 30, 2025, 11:25 AM
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But you never see a good coach in their 15th year break college records for badness against an overmatched opponent.
#Morehead State
#McNeese State
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Re: Good coaches have bad days. Bad coaches can be bailed out by good play.
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Mar 30, 2025, 11:58 AM
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You also don’t see bad coaches go to the elite eight or win 25 games in a season so what is your point?
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yes, we have literally actually seen that. Thanks.
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Mar 30, 2025, 12:56 PM
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Rather than recognizing that last year the players played amazing and made it to the Elite 8 despite Brad's upper mediocre "coaching," you think he's a great coach. Rather than recognizing the only reason Brad won so many games is solely because of how bad the rest of the ACC was this year, you think this great Elite 8 coach, WITH HIS BEST TEAM EVAH, loses in the first round to McNeese State?? Yeah, great coach there. I mean really.
Now, you cult guys may argue that upper mediocre is the Best Clemson Deserves, or the Beat Clemson Will Ever Have in basketball, and you may be right about that but you just look silly trying to argue he's a great coach.
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Re: yes, we have literally actually seen that. Thanks.
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Mar 30, 2025, 1:39 PM
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The rest of the ACC? Duke is still in the ACC and we beat them and KY.
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Re: yes, we have literally actually seen that. Thanks.
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Mar 30, 2025, 1:45 PM
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Who is still playing and what is the point of sports? If you want to be transitive, we gave the value of the Duke win to Louisville and then Duke took it right back. It was great in the moment but trying to claim it gives the season value is weak sauce and is the exact kind of things we mock other teams for doing.
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Re: yes, we have literally actually seen that. Thanks.
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Mar 30, 2025, 1:41 PM
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I’m enjoying the present discourse because the Brownell faithful all know that the “success” of the last 3 seasons is due to a steady mix of returning veterans AND successful portal acquisitions. He used transfers to stretch out the value of his recruits from as far back as 2019-20. There was continuity and floor leaders who could lead the team through the stretch. The net of all that was 3 NCAA tourneys, 2 first round exits, and an elite 8 with no ACC titles - not even an appearance in a final. That’s all gone, but they’re arguing that it’s for the good. He’s starting over in a much, much deeper hole. But everything will be great because reasons.
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Re: yes, we have literally actually seen that. Thanks.
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Mar 30, 2025, 1:46 PM
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And because the ACC is trash
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Re: Good coaches have bad days. Bad coaches can be bailed out by good play.
Mar 30, 2025, 4:04 PM
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My point is that the additional “support and resources” have been provided, yet Clemson continues to extend their contentment with a mediocre steward as the basketball coach.
As I’ve stated, Clemson deserves exactly what it gets in continuing to employ Coach Brownell.
—Short periods of greatness interrupted by long stretches of mediocrity—
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Re: Good coaches have bad days. Bad coaches can be bailed out by good play.
Mar 30, 2025, 4:45 PM
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Is making the tourney considered mediocre? If so, then why do coaches never get canned for getting there?
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Rival Killer [2889]
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Re: Fact correction
Mar 30, 2025, 5:19 PM
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Any others? Missed that one. Thanks.
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Re: Fact correction
Mar 30, 2025, 5:51 PM
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Ben Howland
Tubby Smith (Minnesota)
Steve Alford was fired 8 games after a Final Four
Jim Harrick
Bob Knight
Gregg Marshall
In the fake resignation category:
Tubby Smith (Kentucky)
John Calipari
Mike Davis
Mark Turgeon
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Rival Killer [2889]
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Re: Fact correction
Mar 30, 2025, 6:03 PM
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Not a big list. Thank you for continuing to follow me. Always appreciated!🙂
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Rival Killer [2889]
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Re: Fact correction
Mar 30, 2025, 6:04 PM
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I would also add that many of those were not performance firings. Poor Gregg Marshall.
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Re: Fact correction
Mar 30, 2025, 6:21 PM
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I’m not going to editorialize with you. That’s hardly an exhaustive list. You were substantively wrong about coaches not being fire after making the tourney. That’s all I have to say on the topic.
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Rival Killer [2889]
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Re: Fact correction
Mar 30, 2025, 6:23 PM
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Take a seat bud. Nobody’s getting fired this year. You already agreed. Thanks!
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Not sure why you are complaining.
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Mar 30, 2025, 4:56 PM
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We are not currently on a mediocrity stretch, and haven’t been for several years now.
The 21-22 season was the last time we were mediocre, at 17-16 overall. Since then, we’ve won 23, 24, and 27 games. Those 74 games are a program record over a three year span.
As you know, we also made the Elite Eight last year, which was arguably our best season in program history.
Your post is just weird, whining about mediocrity as if that’s what we are now, when in reality we are about as far from mediocrity as we’ve ever been as a program.
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Asst Coach [896]
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All thats missing is a good coach.
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Mar 30, 2025, 5:09 PM
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and the magnitude of this first round loss and how we lost it punctuates the point.
Mediocre is as good as this coach is capable, and mediocre is good enough for Clemson. Mediocre coaching with good play can win a lot of games. That same mediocre coaching caps our ceiling and makes for some spectacular embarrassments.
Mediocre is the adjusted mean Brad forces Clemson basketball into by virtue of Brad being Brad.
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Re: All thats missing is a good coach.
Mar 30, 2025, 6:09 PM
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Maybe we can turn this into a Tony Bennett type failure and success. Unfortunately Tony ended up being a quitter.
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Re: All thats missing is a good coach.
Mar 30, 2025, 6:54 PM
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Tony was a great coach, better person, and not a "quitter" in the sense that you imply. He did what he did because it was the best thing for the team. That is not a quitter.
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