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Associate AD [1034]
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The demise of DJU
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When looking back at this situation, the question that keeps coming up is What happened to the DJU of his Fr. Year vs. the version we have seen since? IMHO it’s a perfect storm of several factors:
1. Focus: NIL came along and that offseason was spent pedaling his NIL brand and not working on his craft or conditioning. Showing up at 265 lbs. in the ridiculous pimp suit for the UGA game was a fire bearer of what was in store
2. Competition: Brice transferred and phommachanh couldny play dead in a cowboy movie. Although seldom discussed the Missed evaluation of talent with TP was really bad and had lasting damage
3. UGA: They were loaded and Kirby and this D had bad intentions. The psychological beatdown they put on DJ culminating with the pick 6 set the ball rolling for the hesitancy and ptsd we still see today
4. Big Dave: orchestrator of #1 above combined with his marital transgressions dealt the final psychological blow to a kid seeing his family ripped apart. This is when we saw so much of the bad body language and uninspired energy. Let me say that I think Dabo should be here as long as he wants but the failure to remove Dju from the Coot game his last year goes down as Dabos biggest coaching blunder
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Re: The demise of DJU
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Aug 25, 2024, 10:58 AM
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Honestly to me he doesn't look like a bad qb He will never be a 5 star guy but he can be a game manager and win games with the right cast around him. What sticks out to me is how every staff seems to be so conservative with dju throwing downfield. He must sill be weak there.
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agree with analysis***
Aug 25, 2024, 9:45 PM
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Ding, ding, ding. Yup. Once ND figured him out in OT, DCs licked their chops.
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Aug 27, 2024, 1:46 PM
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Game Changer [1940]
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I've said it several times
Aug 30, 2024, 10:31 AM
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Tajh, DW4 and TL were all Warriors. Even KB
DJU not so much. Never saw the fire in his eyes.
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Clemson Icon [27692]
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I think DJU's biggest problem is his accuracy.
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Aug 30, 2024, 12:10 PM
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I've been hearing that from this board, and seeing it on the field. But, watching it even closer last Saturday, I noticed that - at least for this one game - while he was completing the swing passes and short throws they were still not on target. Those passes have to be thrown to the spot where the receiver can catch the ball and never break stride. His virtually never were.
I heard a coach say 30 years ago that when he was running his QB camps in the summer he didn't look to see how many completions the kid had. He looked to see how many times he "hit the receiver between the numbers." And, then he said, "Any kid can do that while he (the QB) is standing still. But, can he hit the receiver between the 8 and 4 when he's rolling out and the receiver is running full speed? If he can't do that on air, he ain't gonna be successful when the bullets are flying."
I think DJ is good enough to manage a game. But, I'm not sure he's good enough (or ever will be good enough) to carry his team to a win.
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DJ couldn’t hit anyone with a down field pass. He occasionally get one in a catchable place but it was rare. I thought Florida State coach was a better evaluator than this selection
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Clemson Icon [24377]
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DJ was the same then. He hadnt had a chance to drag down the entire offense at
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that point. Opponents feared the unknown. Now that DJ is known, nobody fears him.
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Re: The demise of DJU
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Aug 25, 2024, 10:59 AM
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He might make the NFL as a practice team QB. But he'll never live up the hype that surrounded him after high school.
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Re: The demise of DJU
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Aug 25, 2024, 11:38 AM
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He still only makes one read and that’s where the ball goes. I saw it yesterday, I saw it last year, I saw it 2 years ago and I saw it 3 years ago.
Yesterday’s commentators touched on it once during the game. He had very tight coverage outside to the right, where he threw an incompletion, but he had a wide open receiver 15yds straight down the middle.
Apparently, based on watching him for 4 years, on most plays, he only knows where one receiver is and that’s where he goes.
Every once in a while, 2 or 3 times in a game at most, you’ll see him look left, then center, then right…..but it is rare. He’s limited to running between 1/3 to 1/2 of the offense, by his limited ability to mentally process the plays that have been called.
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Top TigerNet [28654]
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Re: The demise of DJU
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Aug 30, 2024, 9:19 AM
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"Every once in a while, 2 or 3 times in a game at most, you’ll see him look left, then center, then right…..but it is rare".
I was at the Syracuse game in 2022..
There was one play where the OL gave him enough time to go run errands, call parents (family), go grab a bite to eat...
And got STILL got sacked!!....
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Re: The demise of DJU
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If he makes an NFL squad in any form or fashion, then I’m going to try out. I watched DJ drop the ball backwards on 3rd down after digging us into a hole against a very inferior Syracuse team. He may be a nice guy, but he is the worst college QB I’ve ever seen.
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He's nowhere close to the worst college QB you've ever seen.***
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Solid Orange [1321]
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Re: He's nowhere close to the worst college QB you've ever seen.***
Aug 30, 2024, 2:05 PM
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He's not too far off dude.
In 2021, we had the fifth most talented offense on paper. He finished the season 104 out of 106 QBs in QBR with enough attempts. He was also #104 in yards per attempt. In 2022, we played a very easy schedule defensively, and therefore, our offense improved. Nevertheless, he was #76 in QBR. He was #87 in yards per attempt.
I'd be willing to bet there's never been a quarterback do so poorly with such a highly rated team. He had an offense filled with blue-chips, but was at the bottom of the country both years with us.
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Orange Blooded [2117]
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Re: The demise of DJU
Aug 26, 2024, 3:33 AM
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NFL? Bahaha put the crack pipe down.
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Re: The demise of DJU
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DJU simply didn't work out in college. Period. All the 5-star hoopla didn't produce. At Oregon State and FSU, we're seeing his ceiling, and it's not a high one. He's C+ OB at best, and there's NO NFL future.
He can't see the entire field when in the pocket, and not too accurate either. Hopefully 5-star Cade will blossom this year an defy the nay-sayer prognosticators. Not another DJU, please.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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That's the best he can hope for in the NFL.
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Aug 30, 2024, 12:57 PM
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He might get a tryout or two based on his high school pedigree as well as the infatuation with measurables (height, arm strength, etc.) but his inability to quickly read and react to the defense will doom him at the NFL level.
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Legend [6738]
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He should have changed positions ala Patrick Sapp
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He was never going to be an NFL QB
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Nm
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Aug 25, 2024, 11:30 AM
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Nm
Message was edited by: greene®
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Rival Killer [2916]
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People made a bigger deal out of his Frosh
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Aug 25, 2024, 11:30 AM
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…appearances than they should have.
I mean, he lost to Notre Dame. It was a loss. Trevor beat the crap out of them later in the postseason.
He even lost the O&W game before his Sophomore season and everybody just kept drinking the Koolaid.
He was never good in College.
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Re: People made a bigger deal out of his Frosh
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Aug 25, 2024, 11:38 AM
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Yes he lost the ND game but he also lit them up. I never saw that same guy again. Maybe it was the fact ND didn't know how to game plan him since he was an unknown. Who knows but he has settled into being an avg qb at best. That DJ yesterday was the same DJ of the last 3 years.
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Re: People made a bigger deal out of his Frosh
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:24 PM
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They figured him out in OT. Once they brought the house it was lights out for DJ.
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Re: Did DJU play defense vs ND? Some of you people have the strangest
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Aug 27, 2024, 1:38 PM
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As mentioned above, defenses quickly figured out how to shut him down. He got the 1st game unknown treatment. Since then, pffft.
Again, people made more out of it than they should have. He was never good.
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Legend [6920]
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Losing the ND game was not DJ's fault. He played lights out, our vaunted defense
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Aug 30, 2024, 8:32 AM
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was the reason we lost. Overall, DJ wasn't good at Clemson - he was really good in the ND game.
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Orange Elite [5304]
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Re: Did DJU play defense vs ND? Some of you people have the strangest
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They didn't shut him down. He broke an all time record against ND...and as a matter of fact, his stats in that game were better than Trevor's stats in the rematch. Trevor was never why the rematch was different... it was that our missing defensive players in the first game came back in the second and held ND to 10 points.
Some of you really need to do some research.
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Re: The demise of DJU
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:02 PM
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Don’t forget the 3 years being coached by Streeter being a very plausible contributor to his demise.
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Game Day Hero [4462]
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Re: The demise of DJU
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:35 PM
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Don’t forget the 3 years being coached by Streeter being a very plausible contributor to his demise.
Wrong!!! Streeter was not the Problem! How have Tony Elliott and Jeff Scott fared when they did not have a DW or TL at QB???
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Re: The demise of DJU
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Aug 25, 2024, 9:05 PM
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We went to the CFP with Kelly Bryant, so….
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Solid Orange [1321]
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Re: The demise of DJU
Aug 30, 2024, 2:13 PM
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I mean, that's misleading as ####. We had our best defense ever in 2017. We had almost the same offensive line in 2017 as we did in 2018. Our running backs were Feaster, ETN, and Choice. Our wide receivers were Deon Cain, Higgins, Renfrow, Ray-Ray, and Amari. The 2017 team was absolutely loaded on par with either championship squad. We won despite Kelly Bryant, and our blowout loss to Alabama was entirely on his complete inability to throw the ball past the line of scrimmage. His stats against Alabama were absolutely terrible:
50% completions for 124 yards. 3.4 yards per attempt. 0 touchdowns. 2 interceptions. 19 rushes for 19 yards.
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Re: The demise of DJU
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All 3 great position coaches.
All 3 crap coordinators, but Chad's system and premier talent overcame and made them look better than they otherwise would have [they underperformed (for the most part) when you look at talent rankings versus performance overall during their tenure - Peter Principle - but go ahead and mention the nattys and that's a valid point if you ignore everything else and didn't really see/understand their deficient playcalling and strategy during games].
2 of 3 crap HC's so far (Peter Principle, 2 levels above competency, dive bombed the win-loss ratio for respective programs).
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We won in spite of those coaches, not because of them.
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Aug 30, 2024, 12:54 PM
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Chad Morris's system + Deshaun Watson + Trevor Lawrence + outstanding WRs and RBs = our high level success on offense from 2015-2020.
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Ring of Honor [23484]
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Plays were called. Schemes were tweaked. Gameplans developed.
Aug 30, 2024, 2:48 PM
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You don't win national championships 'despite' anything except other teams.
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Tiger Titan [47445]
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You just provided evidence that Streeter, Elliott, and Scott
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Aug 30, 2024, 12:53 PM
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are all overrated.
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Ring of Honor [22873]
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Re: You just provided evidence that Streeter, Elliott, and Scott
Aug 30, 2024, 10:02 PM
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So are you TROLL!!!
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Tiger Spirit [9936]
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Re: The demise of DJU
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When DJU filled in for Trevor in 2020 and had the huge game in the OT loss to Notre Dame, it looked like we had our future QB and all would be well. DJU is not a great QB and never will be, but what all the DJU haters refuse to see is the skill players he had against Notre Dame, ETN, Amari Rodgers and Cornell Powell who had 352 of the 439 yards passing we had, were in the NFL when we only scored 3 points against Georgia the next season.
I agree DJU is just average but any QB is only as good as the people around him. One game does not make a career and that game and DJU need to be in the rear view mirror.
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CU Medallion [18981]
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DJU's struggles seem to rise when expectations are at their highest,
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:38 PM
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and that's a real problem if you're the QB for a team with championship aspirations.
The Notre Dame game in 2020 was a no-lose scenario really. Nobody expected DJU to come in that game and perform out of his brain and lead us to victory. There was a chance we could win, but the pressure really wasn't there as we had T Law coming back the following week and a chance to avenge Notre Dame later in the ACCCG, which we did, convincingly. It was a freebie for DJU, and he performed admirably.
Come 2021 and expectations were off the chart. He laid egg after egg. It was brutal. Come mid-season and the shine was off - we ran the table with 6 straight. 2022 we were forecasted behind Wake, NC State, and FSU in pre-season picks, so what does DJU do? Rattles off YTD numbers similar to DW4 and TL16 in rolling over these upstarts on the way to an 8-0 record. Then on the map again - and into oblivion.
FSU and DJU certainly had all the hype and high expectations heading into this season and yesterday's game. While he didn't lose the game for them, he just doesn't seem to have it in him to win those for you either, and here we are.
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Solid Orange [1302]
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Re: The demise of DJU
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:41 PM
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I was listening on XM radio, and the announcer said DJ threw a beautiful spiral to an open receiver 5 yards out of bounds. The analyst said 100% of those are incomplete! 😀
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Re: The demise of DJU
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Aug 25, 2024, 12:56 PM
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dj was so bad that i often wondered if he was sandbagging to help family members win gambling on games (something I wouldn't have put past his dad). As it turns out, I was wrong; he was just that bad.
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Re: The demise of DJU
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Aug 25, 2024, 7:50 PM
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He lacks situational awareness. Several of my daughter's friends had experiences where he walked directly behind their cars when they were backing out of parking spaces. Perhaps he assumed everyone had cars with backup cameras so he didn't need to watch where he was going, but we weren't totally shocked that someone who didn't notice moving Toyotas also didn't notice defending Dawgs.
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Could have also been an inflated sense of self awareness in combo****
Aug 25, 2024, 8:08 PM
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Rival Killer [2916]
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Re: The demise of DJU
Aug 27, 2024, 1:54 PM
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Probably thinks the red sea parts for him everywhere he goes.
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Re: The demise of DJU
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Aug 25, 2024, 9:41 PM
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The demise was simple, he was never asked to make reads in HS. He had the bigger faster wrs and could just throw streaks to guys behind the dbs every play. Never had to throw with anticipation and timing. There's a reason he looked good his freshmen year too, Travis Etienne and screen plays against defenses that did not realize this kid can't throw people open. BC and ND played exclusively zone and guys were stationary standing wide open between zones.
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Rival Killer [2903]
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Look, this is what he can do
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Aug 26, 2024, 12:13 AM
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1. Throw bubble screens
2. Throw slants where the ball travels no more than 10 yards in the air
3. Throw to an open receiver who has run a hook pattern and has been standing in the same spot for five seconds
4. Fall forward for a first down with a yard to go
5. Get happy feet on a third-down blitz and take a sack or overthrow the receiver
6. Hand off the ball to a linebacker for six the other way
What he cannot do:
1. Throw a go or corner route to a receiver without it being out of bounds or five yards too long
2. Get an all-you-can-eat NLI at Bojangles and come into the season at a healthy weight
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National Champion [7702]
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I don't think we should get too far down this road to be honest...
Aug 27, 2024, 1:44 PM
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We still have a game at Doak to take on FSU at their home, more than likely on a rowdy Saturday night. We're doing alot of talking, myself included, about DJ's deficiencies..while they're arguably true...providing a weekly dose of bulletin board material for that game is not the greatest idea.
DJU will be as hyped, for a game, as he's ever been that night. So be careful not to prepare too much crow. Just wait til afterward to go full bore. WE didnt' think we'd lose to that sorry bunch that SCAR brought to DV a couple of years ago either.
I like it better when we're nervous about a game than when we're all hooting a hollering prior to.
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Rival Killer [2916]
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I hope they do post it on their bulletin board - won't make him not $ u c k
Aug 27, 2024, 1:51 PM
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Other players and coaches can read the comments and maybe their minds will say "hmmm, yup". Loss of confidence is feasible.
And DJU, well, the subject line says it all. I hope he does get worked up. Being as calm and confident as possible is better for a QB entering a game. Loss of poise is feasible.
So, I'd say, go ahead and post on the bulletin board how Defensive Coordinators have figured him out and with enough talent, can shut him down. Pretty obvious that it's true. I believe it would only result in loss of confidence and poise, which works in our favor.
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Rival Killer [2910]
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TP was actually decent until he got hurt.
Aug 30, 2024, 9:13 AM
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He was gun shy after that.
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"phommachanh couldn't play dead in a cowboy movie".
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Aug 30, 2024, 9:14 AM
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LMAO!!!!!
😂🤣
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Also I Know 250 Pound Women That Don't Fall Down On First Contact***
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Offensive Star [-99]
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UGA broke DJU
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with seven sacks
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DJ doesn't play for us anymore so I don't care.***
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5. Poor coaching by Clemson.
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Brandon Streeter and Tony Elliott were not good at developing quarterbacks. Look at Deshaun and Trevor. They regressed at Clemson in multiple statistical areas.
More importantly than any of your four reasons, or the one I listed, is that DJ likely just doesn't have the ability to process the game at an elite level. He was certainly good enough in high school, but lacks that ability at the college level.
Good coaching would have helped him hone this ability better, or at least put him in situations where that limitation could be minimized. But I don't know that he could've been a college great under any circumstances.
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Ring of Honor [22873]
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Re: 5. Poor coaching by Clemson.
Aug 30, 2024, 10:06 PM
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🤣🤣🤣 IDIOT!!!!!!!!
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Re: The demise of DJU
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Totally agree that coot game was all on Dabo....DJ was absolutely pathetic that game.
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Re: The demise of DJU
Aug 30, 2024, 2:06 PM
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He was surrounded with talent his Freshman year. It changed pretty dramatically after that year in comparison.
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everything he does is in slow motion
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decision making
running
release
everything. simple as that
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Orange Blooded [2573]
TigerPulse: 90%
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Nope
Aug 30, 2024, 5:45 PM
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No demise. He just wasn't that good to start with. He was overvalued, which is probably not his fault. Hype happens all the time.
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Game Day Hero [4505]
TigerPulse: 100%
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Re: The demise of DJU
Aug 30, 2024, 5:59 PM
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He is a better QB, didn’t say he is great, when he flushes out of the pocket and just has to make a play. It’s like he’s playing backyard ball and not thinking too much. When he’s in the pocket and thinks about everything, it gets to him.
He’s average at best as a QB. He is who he is.
I’m not disappointed he’s on a different team
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Game Day Hero [4505]
TigerPulse: 100%
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Re: The demise of DJU
Aug 30, 2024, 6:01 PM
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We mostly won games in spite of him, not because of him
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Head Coach [947]
TigerPulse: 100%
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Re: The demise of DJU
Aug 30, 2024, 9:50 PM
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His freshman year was the Covid year. He was playing in front of HS Stadium crowds. Yes it was Notre Dame Stadium and Death Valley but they were 1/3 full stadiums full of people with masks on.
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