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Athletic Dir [1129]
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Serious replies please.
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Jan 19, 2025, 10:42 PM
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What form of defense would you recommend or buy for your Mom... Wife... Or daughter ?
Expected visitors have arrived and we are told to cya!
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Game Day Hero [4505]
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I recommend an Everlast.
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Athletic Dir [1129]
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Re: I recommend an Everlast.
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Jan 19, 2025, 11:54 PM
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Thank you for being a complete #######!!!
Your level of maturity is astounding!!!
It was a serious question !!!
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Game Day Hero [4505]
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Clearly it was serious! So sorry!
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Jan 20, 2025, 8:17 AM
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Totally normal for a person to come on a college football message board and seek out gun advice for the illegals that are a-comin'.
Totally stable and reasonable request, for sure. Good luck protectin' the womenfolk.
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Clemson Icon [24198]
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You deserve it for horrible communication skills. Proofread and pretend
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Jan 22, 2025, 10:25 PM
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you are someone else who can't read your mind.
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Tiger Titan [50526]
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I dont understand.
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Jan 20, 2025, 12:18 AM
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What kind of visitors? What kind of protection are you referring to?
And how does this relate to Clemson football?
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Athletic Dir [1129]
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Re: I dont understand.
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Jan 20, 2025, 1:38 AM
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It really doesn't have anything to do with Clemson football but neither does 1/2 the stuff on here.
I noticed that some of the posters seemed to know about weapons. Just was trying not to get in trouble for what I wanted to know and people get touchy when it is mentioned.
Illegals - crime has increased.
We have been told to protect ourselves.
I was just looking for different options.
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All-Pro [742]
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Re: I dont understand.
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Jan 20, 2025, 10:38 AM
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Valid question. Some people have nothing better to do than act like embicils and attack. Makes them feel better about themselves. I don't profess to be an "expert, but I don't think the what is as important as the comfort level your wife and daughter have with the weapon (which will come with much range time and forethought of what they will do if the need arises). Hesitation or indecision can be deadly, especially if inaction leads to an offender taking the weapon from them. I would choose something that fits their hands and they are entirely comfortable with. Revolvers are always the simplest to use but have limitations with 6 rounds. They often involve more kick back. .380 semi autos typically are smaller than 9 mm, etc. while having a decent punch. Whatever you decide I would suggest double action (the trigger will actuate the hammer upon pulling it v. having to keep the trigger back and safety on while carrying or hope that you will have time to rack it to enable firing when needed- semi autos). Hope this is of some help.
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CU Guru [1502]
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Jan 22, 2025, 9:21 AM
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Take Krav Maga
And Brazilian Jiu Jitsu
And add a Sig P365 9MM
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Re: I dont understand.
Jan 20, 2025, 4:11 PM
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The semi auto variant of the AR-15 is always a good choice.
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Campus Hero [13855]
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By whom
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Jan 20, 2025, 4:47 PM
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Who told you to go out and buy a weapon? If you trust this person enough to arm yourself on his or her advice; perhaps they can also help you with a choice of weapon.
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Re: I dont understand.
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Jan 20, 2025, 2:53 AM
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Judge Keller
Weren’t you they guy that got passive aggressive about the Tom Allen hire?
Lol
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Tiger Titan [50526]
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No, that wasnt me. I like the Allen hire.***
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Paw Warrior [4841]
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Re: No, that wasnt me. I like the Allen hire.***
Jan 23, 2025, 2:58 AM
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Judge Keller®
“I am excited to see what Allen can do. I think he has the potential to be a great hire.”
I’d be a dumba** to not believe you were underselling a decision made by none other than Dabo Swinney. You’re not too fond of him, remember?
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Tiger Titan [50526]
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I think Dabo is great, he just went through a few years lately of bad decisions.
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I believe he grew to be overconfident due to his outstanding success, and has been humbled by the regression in our program lately. To his credit, he seems to have recognized this and is making important changes.
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Re: No, that wasnt me. I like the Allen hire.***
Jan 23, 2025, 8:11 AM
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He chooses this type of wording purposely so he can claim to be right regardless of the outcome. If things go well, he claims to be a supporter of the move all along. If it doesn’t go well, he can claim he only said he had potential but has underachieved and not realized that potential and that is Dabo’s fault for hiring an unproven guy and not helping him develop or not allowing him to make his own decisions or some other jab at the head coach. We’ve seen this movie over and over.
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Playmaker [361]
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Re: Serious replies please.
Sep 1, 2022, 7:59 PM
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Depends. Are they familiar with, comfortable with, or able to use guns? AR15? Handguns? Shotguns?
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Athletic Dir [1129]
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Re: Serious replies please.
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Jan 20, 2025, 3:10 AM
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Some of the ladies are single mothers and are concerned about weapons in the home.
I was told by deputy sheriff that depending on where he is at... it could be 25 -30 minutes before he could get to us. I live in large county..
The only thing he suggested was a street light
In my yard.
Thank you for your response.
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 20, 2025, 8:03 AM
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Some of the ladies are single mothers and are concerned about weapons in the home.
I was told by deputy sheriff that depending on where he is at... it could be 25 -30 minutes before he could get to us. I live in large county..
The only thing he suggested was a street light
In my yard.
Thank you for your response.
Do you live in the city or country? Are you wanting home protection or protection away from home?
Home: shotgun, big dog, street lights. All are good ideas
Away: a small pepper spray is useful. Carrying a gun comes with a ton of responsibility and training. The best protection is situational awareness.
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Trainer [47]
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Jan 20, 2025, 2:43 AM
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UDAP bear spray. Not cheap tiny cans of pepper spray or mace.
I mean actual bear spray that they sell in Alaska and Montana. And get the big cans, and teach the girls how to actually use it. That stuff will put any threat DOWN. And you don’t have to have good aim nor panic about whether to pull the trigger to end a life. And you don’t have to face wrongful death lawsuits.
Look it up.
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Athletic Dir [1129]
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 20, 2025, 2:47 AM
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Thank you very much . I appreciate your input and will pass this on to the other ladies as well!
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 20, 2025, 7:54 AM
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UDAP bear spray. Not cheap tiny cans of pepper spray or mace.
I mean actual bear spray that they sell in Alaska and Montana. And get the big cans, and teach the girls how to actually use it. That stuff will put any threat DOWN. And you don’t have to have good aim nor panic about whether to pull the trigger to end a life. And you don’t have to face wrongful death lawsuits.
Look it up.
Are you suggesting a liter size so they can strap it on their leg like dog the bounty hunter? I would suggest the small size that they would actually carry on their person.
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 20, 2025, 4:12 PM
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5 lb fire extinguisher size works well also.
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Varsity [103]
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Raid hornet spray is just as good.
Jan 20, 2025, 10:35 AM
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Much less expensive, more readily available, and easy to carry in a purse or stockpile at home.
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Asst Coach [824]
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Re: Serious replies please.
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Listen man, I shoot and train A LOT. I reload, I shoot extreme long range, competitions, etc. I'm by no means what I'd consider an expert, but please do not take advice for any Tom #### or Harry on here. Most people have guns but never shoot them, and even worse shoot them just enough to pull themselves into bmthink8ng they're an expert.
Less lethal options like bear spray wasp spray and garbage like that are safety blanket syndrome purchases. They make you feel like you're protected, but you aren't. The only thing that ACTUALLY protects you is a gun, and capable gun, and the skills and ability to deploy it under stress.
Just my .02 to take with a grain of salt also, but my recommendation is a gun, more than likely a pistol based on size, and actually taking it serious enough to buy it, train with it, and get a CWP for it. Anyone that thinks bear spray, and knife, or wasp spray that shoots 20ft is a legitimate self defense tool is welcome to come with me to any training session, because I've personally witnessed even buddies with good firearm skills immediately break down the second something as simple as a shot timer is present. Don't get lulled into sleep thinking "I can do this or that". You're almost never as good as you think you'll be in those situations, and very spray is no match for firearms, ever. If you need further help I'd be happy to help point you in a more specific direction, just reply here before you Tmail me because I don't check it often. I'm in the Greenville, SC area BTW.
I do appreciate people taking it seriously and making it a priority in their lives, because the world isnt getting any more safer.
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Paw Warrior [4603]
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This ^^^^^^^^^
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Jan 20, 2025, 6:52 AM
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If you want in-home close range protection consider a shotgun. It’s point and shoot without having to aim or be a good shoot. Again that’s close range, like in the same room or very close proximity. Shorter barrel is easier to maneuver and the shot pattern will be larger covering a larger area. If the person is new to firearms and/or smaller framed consider a 20 gauge.
For personal carry there are many small handgun options. 9mm is my personal choice. Sig P365.
As mentioned above with any firearm please take safety and training courses. And go to a range or somewhere you can safely fire it. You can’t be prepared to use a firearm if you aren’t trained on handling it and fire it regularly.
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Re: This ^^^^^^^^^
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Jan 20, 2025, 7:07 AM
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22mag Keltec. 30 clip. If you have to use you have enough rds and 22 mag will do damage. I have one and so does my wife. Where they r in my house is our business. Not hard to train with. Good luck be safe
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Dynasty Maker [3345]
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Re: Serious replies please.
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Jan 20, 2025, 10:07 AM
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I'd recommend a .22 revolver, training and practice. With practice, she might move to a more powerful firearm. A Charter Arms Pathfinder or a Smith & Wesson 43c might be a good choice, 8 rounds, concealable, light recoil. I'd suggest buying 2. One kept bedside and one to carry... which means more training. Training for concealed carry and the act of carrying tends to make one significantly more situationally aware, which makes you safer. Developing the discipline to carry is important. There's nothing more worthless than a gun that's not available when you need it.
FWIW, my hope is to never, ever have to use mine.
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I 2nd this re: no substitute for guns.
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If you can operate a firearm and are reasonably intelligent about storage there is no rational reason to forego the best possible means of home defense out there.
The legit debate is over which gun/caliber.
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Re: Serious replies please.
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Re: Serious replies please.
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Ribbed latex? Welcome to the 80s
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Re: Serious replies please.
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I would start with 4-3 though some people really like a 3-4…maybe ask Tom Allen?
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National Champion [7373]
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Pepper spray.
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Jan 20, 2025, 8:12 AM
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A can of hornet spray in the car. That stuff is crippling.
If they have comfort around firearms, get one that is comfortable for her. I told my daughter just go to an armory that has a range, and try out various models. "Handguns are like running shoes, you will know when you find the right fit."
If you make a mistake and taze/spray an innocent person, you can always apologize. Might not get that chance with a handgun.
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Re: Pepper spray.
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Highly disagree. With respect here, thats a pipe dream. No legitimate firearms instructors recommend hornet spray. Thats a TikTok viral thing from people who aren't involved in teaching or learning self defense at all.
Also, the idea that anyone inexperienced person should go to a range and pick up firearms and hold them to "try on" like they're running shoes so they know which one to get is ridiculous. 99.9% of those people have no idea how to properly build a grip on a pistol, and just pick them out ignorantly.
Learn how to hold a firearm, get recommendations on caliber and size from a qualified person, not a gun counter moron (trust me, just because they work there does NOT mean they have a clue at all) and then look at features, setups, holster compatibility, and try them out.
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Re: Serious replies please.
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Jan 20, 2025, 8:22 AM
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Educate yourself about firearms and read everything you can written by Massad Ayoob. Situational awareness is a great weapon and can keep you out of trouble before it starts.
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 20, 2025, 8:29 AM
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Get one of those loud noise makers they can attach to their purse, clothing, keys, etc. All they have to do is pull it and it makes a loud noise that alerts others of danger. You’re not going to kill anyone with it, but it is a deterrent.
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Solid Orange [1384]
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Just tell he not to go to.....
Jan 20, 2025, 8:30 AM
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church, school, the grocery store, Walmart, work, etc....
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Dynasty Maker [3186]
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Glock43X
My daughter has one and loves it.
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 20, 2025, 9:01 AM
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baseball bat
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Re: Serious replies please.
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Jan 20, 2025, 9:09 AM
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Shotgun...you can keep it under the bed and keep it loaded. This happened to a friend's elderly mother in GA. Someone broke into her home. She didn't do exactly what was told and came out of her room with it in her hands. It was taken from her and she was assaulted and robbed. Stay in the room, get behind the bed and when that door opens, pull the trigger.
With shotguns, all you have to do is towards something and pull the trigger. Handguns need to be aimed with more accuracy. Also, shotguns are LOUD and scare the bejeezus out of someone when they are not expecting it. I hope and pray this never happens to anyone on this board or their relatives. Scary stuff.
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Athletic Dir [1129]
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Re: Serious replies please.
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Jan 20, 2025, 10:32 AM
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Thank you all for the input provided.
I apologize for posting on a Clemson football thread.
We will definitely look into self defense classes
and a shooting range.
For the one who emailed to remind me that "When traveling and it involves going through different states, familiarize yourself with their gun laws as well". Thank you! A few of us travel a good bit.
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Before the gun...
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Jan 20, 2025, 10:54 AM
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Put dusk to dawn led lights on each corner of house, if not more (I have double lights on each corner, to allow complete coverage of land around the house). A well lighted house is one of the biggest deterrents to crime (assuming they are not all well lit, LOL). Then, install cameras that are easily spotted (but not reachable without a ladder...cameras deter day time crime). Keep shrubs cut low around house.
As to guns, ladies seem to adapt to revolvers easier than those that require a pulling a slide. You don't want anything with a large kick, so stay away from higher calibers... being scared to pull the trigger due to the kick is hard to get over for women.
I like the 22 WMR revolver for the situation you are describing. Highly accurate, great range, good knock down (many will not agree, but this caliber travels at around 1900 fps at 40 grains, little less than a 223 with nearly the same weight, but a whole lot less kick, and available in a revolver). This same round can also be shot in a 22 WMR rifle, for greater effectiveness at long ranges.
If you are concerned with conceal ability, then maybe a 32 or 380 caliber. If you want more info on that, let me know.
It takes a lot of shooting to get a woman used to the kick or a larger caliber. In no situation should a woman use any of the lightweight revolvers in the 38 and higher calibers...the lighter the weight, the more the kick. If you choose these, be sure to always buy the lightest grain bullets to lower the kick (maybe have someone like me reload special cartridges for you).
This Heritage Rough Rider revolver is very affordable, and has the ability to shoot 22 LR or 22 WMR by just changing the cylinder, included.
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 20, 2025, 10:56 AM
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I would just go bear spray. Odds of them ever needing anything are probably slim to none.
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A 20 ga shot gun cut down to about 30" overall.
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I'd load it with bird shot and I'd only give them one instruction.
"Don't shoot until he is within 10 feet from you."
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Re: A 20 ga shot gun cut down to about 30" overall.
Jan 20, 2025, 6:22 PM
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And I load with #7 or 8 TSS High brass shells = turkey loads. Shoot high-center mass. Yikes to be shot with that!!
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Re: A 20 ga shot gun cut down to about 30" overall.
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That's extremely stupid. What makes you think someone with a gun needs to get that close to you to put your like in danger? "Hold on Mr. Bad guy over there with a gun, i realize you can see my shotgun I'm holding, but don't fire at me yet until you get within 12 feet of me because I'm an idiot and use birdhouse for self defense. It's called BIRDshot for a reason.
It never ceases to amaze me how ignorant people will never miss an opportunity to lecture other people. This isn't my opinion vs yours, it's literally every reputable instructors vs yours. No one recommends a 20g with birdshot. Please quit telling people what to use when it's clear this isn't your wheelhouse. I know you're trying to help but you aren't. You could get someone killed. Literally.
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Re: A 20 ga shot gun cut down to about 30
Jan 22, 2025, 9:19 AM
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So my friend, the retired Palm Beach County Deputy got it all wrong? Would you want to trade places with the person shot by 20 gauge bird shot and spend the hours having the shot being dug out of you (justice). Also the odds of having 20 gauge bird shot causing collateral damage is not like having a missed shot from a 44 magnum going through walls and hitting who knows what. That's why I have a semi-auto 20 gauge within arms length at home. Nothing says you only have to take one shot.
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Re: A 20 ga shot gun cut down to about 30
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Yes. The retired palm beach whatever did get it wrong. Where's this idea that because you were a cop you are 100% right all the time come from? I've had to take a friend's glock 22 apart to clean it because he's a State Trooper and doesn't know his firearm at all.
If no one said you have to shoot only once, why not use a pellet gun? I mean after all, you could just fire enough rounds eventually to stop someone right? You've landed on 20g, and that's fine. But a 20 gauge has a limited distance, and isn't even lethal OR hurts at a certain distance. The goal isn't to use the minimum amount of force ever, it's to use the best balance of stopping power, recoil management, capacity, accuracy, and firearm style you can most easily deploy and get to.
Cops regularly recommend firearms to other people they wouldn't carry themselves, because they don't want to admit you could need deadly force because they exist to help stop it also, and are more afraid of people hurting themselves with something than anything. Yet they are ignoring the fact that it depends on how serious you take it. I've shot with cops that were SWAT and were AWESOME, regular ones that were awesome, and regular cops that I trust my civilian friends to be around better than them. They were a straight liability. So save the "you're saying a retired deputy is wrong" mess. Yes. I absolutely am. That doesn't mean they wouldn't be right about something else. They're just wrong about this. Says other, way more experienced police and former military.
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Re: A 20 ga shot gun cut down to about 30
Jan 22, 2025, 7:17 PM
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You deserve that TD more than you'll ever know. Is the only option in your chicken brain, death?
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Re: A 20 ga shot gun cut down to about 30
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No. Is the only thing in YOUR chicken brain "let's try and use the least lethal thing we could possibly get away with"?
There's absolutely zero issue with picking a caliber and gun that is enough firepower. There's plenty of issue with picking one that isn't. You don't have to use it. But when you're standing there with a 20g and someone is coming down your driveway with a pistol or rifle at 40 feet, I'm pretty sure that's not going to be what you want. The point is to stop the threat. Some things are better at that than others. 20g isn't what any reputable instructor recommends. Here's a challenge. Post one REPUTABLE instructor recommending it and I'll post 20 that recommend 9mm or higher.
If you had a brain eating amoeba I'd be afraid it would starve to death. Think.
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Re: A 20 ga shot gun cut down to about 30
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Also, the "would you rather trade places with the 20g" person is the dumbest possible argument ever. I don't want to trade places with someone shooting me with a BB gun, bear spray, or knife either. It hurts. That doesn't mean they are as legitimate as a center fire pistol or rifle round. Would YOU rather trade places with someone getting shot with a 9mm, 5.56, 308, 45acp, etc? Or a 20g BIRDSHOT. Yeah, you could still be here to pick shot out of you.
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Game Changer [1830]
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Re: Serious replies please.
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Jan 20, 2025, 11:19 AM
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Stun guns and mace/pepper spray are good for people not comfortable with guns. My wife is a nurse and has had a pepper spray on her key chain for as long as I can remember. The problem with a firearm is that for most it is a good way to lose their job if they pack it all the time. But there are no rules about non-deadly devices however.
More importantly training in situational awareness is the best defense of all. Not blindly getting yourself into a vulnerable situation to begin with is actually better than any weapon. It will reduce an unlikely (but important) need to self defense to almost nothing.
All this said, I am 60 years old. I have only known two people in my entire life that have been attacked at random. So it comes down to the company you keep, the places you go, and when you go there. Again situational awareness. I always told my daugthers to be home by 10:30 because nothing good happens to women that are out and about in the wee hours of the day. Statistics say that on a Friday/Saturday nights after 10:00pm 1 out of 4 drivers have had too much to drink. 1 out of 13 every other night of the week. The vast majority of sexual assaults happen to adult women that are out late at night. The point being that often we set ourselves up for trouble because we lack awareness and even if we do we fail to take appropritate action to avoid problems.
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 20, 2025, 3:54 PM
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My daughter has a Smith & Wesson .38...not too big but packs a punch.
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Solid Orange [1316]
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Re: Serious replies please.
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Jan 20, 2025, 4:44 PM
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I bought my wife a 9 shot Rueger wheel gun 32 cal. Taught her on the range but not how ti kill, I taught her gun safety first. How to handle the weapon and not shoot herself or anyone around. Then I moved to marksmanship. Main thing I tried to instill in her was "Never pull out the gun unless you are willing to pull the trigger". Unless you are willing to take down the threat with lethal violence, why have it in your hand..??
Hard to teach PANIC when being confronted but you still have to execute to protect yourself..
WT
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Game Day Hero [4181]
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 20, 2025, 4:56 PM
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Words of wisdom....exactly right....you better be willing to shoot to kill.
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 22, 2025, 8:56 AM
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Lol, "shoot to kill"....as opposed to what? You train center mass T Zone for a reason. You don't shoot to kill ever. You shoot to stop the threat. The threat being stopped usually results in death. But it may sound like semantics but it's not. Shoot to kill isn't a self defense mindset. Shooting until the threat is gone, whatever that may be, is. I do agree that people should be programmed to get the "shoot em in the leg" mentality out of them, because that's super unrealistic, but we are shooting to stop the threat, which is center mass and T zone. Thats the light switch we look for. Which results usually in death.
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 20, 2025, 5:58 PM
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I would like to add one thing, if this is such a serious question, why are you asking the question on a football message board and not talking to your local law enforcement and gun/ammunition shops?
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Re: Serious replies please.
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Jan 20, 2025, 6:47 PM
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A self defense shotgun is the only way to go if “defense” is the objective. Learning curve is short, reliability is high, efficacy is high. Collateral damage can be an issue, however.
Any decent tactical arms store can set you up.
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Re: Serious replies please.
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Jan 20, 2025, 8:35 PM
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It's actually not though. Take a class with one. Under stress, short stroking a pump shotgun is a very big problem and happens quite a bit. A semi auto you wouldn't have to worry about that, except semi autos are notoriously unreliable unless you drop some serious coin. (Benelli M2)
Also, shotguns indoors don't actually have a spread like people think they do. It takes yards to spread out into a pattern. At 12 feet it's throwing baseballs down a hallway, not spraying the whole wall. Listen to Travis Haley talk about it. I mean it's bigger than 9mm or something for sure, but considering the limited capacity and reliability issues under stress it's just not a slam dunk recommendation like people think. Not saying it's bad. Just not that simple.
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 22, 2025, 9:31 AM
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Look around and find a dealer that has a range that can be used to try out different models. They can also provide training.
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Game Changer [1755]
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For a female an FN Reflex ****
Jan 22, 2025, 11:16 AM
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Varsity [147]
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 22, 2025, 12:06 PM
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3-4, but you have to be creative disguising pressure
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All sorts of factors to consider
Jan 22, 2025, 2:17 PM
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Most importantly, if you're shooting inside of a home, what is on the other side of the wall should you (and more than likely they will) miss.
A .380 is popular but a 22 mag will get pretty much the same penetration.
Realizing in a high stress situation like you're referring to that adrenaline and nerves most likely will overcome training is important as well. The more simple the operation of the gun, the better. So if that means a revolver or even a pump shotgun, only you and the person doing the shooting know best.
You're going to get all kinds of opinions (including my own) that mean nothing. Unfortunately, there are no universal solutions. Many factors have to be considered.
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 22, 2025, 8:57 PM
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There are lots of good options out there. Go to a gun store and find what you like and feel comfortable with.
Then go shoot it. A LOT!!!
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You never know until they shoot it. Hand fit and comfort are idiosyncratic.
Sep 1, 2025, 10:32 PM
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If they are inexperienced you might want a safety and maybe even a chamber indicator.
You do not need anything below a 9mm to reduce kick. The idea that a .380 is better for a woman is B$ imo. My mom has a Glock 17 because it's comfortable for her. She doesn't carry and has it for home defense only so the size is more comfortable and reduces recoil. My wife carries and has a Ruger LC9 because she nailed the bullseye with it multiple times on her 1st magazine. That's it.
Get good ammo that expands.
Take them both to a store/range and let them try at least 3 guns.
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Re: Serious replies please.
Jan 22, 2025, 10:36 PM
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Honestly a security system that makes loud noises is usually enough, but if you really want above and beyond id say whatever they’re comfortable with. You can have a pea shooter or a 50 cal but if you aren’t comfortable using it its not worth a da*n. If you’re looking for something that goes *pop* I’d recommend a few trips to a range where you can demo different shapes and sizes. See what they’re comfortable with, and practice, practice, practice. Just having it isn’t enough, you need to be competent with it. Also, you need to secure it, I’d recommend some sort of underbed mounted quick access safe, too many stories on the news of kids getting into places they shouldn’t to have unsequred weapons kicking around
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