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Game Day Hero [4281]
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Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:12 PM
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To make finals and for Marcus Freeman also first Asian(mom is from South Korea) head coach to be in championship game.
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How is that good history? Who cares what the race of the coach is?
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:16 PM
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Seem’s patronizing to bring up race like it’s a special accomplishment. Good coaches win. They are good coaches.
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Game Day Hero [4281]
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Freeman said it could help coaches of color get more opportunities
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:17 PM
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To coach high achieving college football programs.
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Ring of Honor [23815]
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Does anyone actually think this kind of thing through?
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:20 PM
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Does anyone think there are major universities who are waiting to see a certain skin color win a certain game before they think its safe to hire a person with a certain skin color? It’s an obviously silly and patronizing media talking point.
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Campus Hero [13957]
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Re: Does anyone actually think this kind of thing through?
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:21 PM
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It's never been done and it's been an issue in the past, so he is saying it is history and progress from the most so distant past.
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Ring of Honor [23815]
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Black dudes have been coaching football for several decades.
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:26 PM
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It’s a random meaningless stat at this point. Nobody cares what race their coach is. Everyone wants to win. It’s patronizing as heck to treat someone like they are a special case because of their skin color.
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Campus Hero [13957]
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Re: Black dudes have been coaching football for several decades.
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:28 PM
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Some people care and they are the minority. It's still a first and it's a positive. Nice how far we have come.
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Ring of Honor [23815]
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Extremely patronizing. Its a pointless distinction.
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:30 PM
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Good coaches are good coaches. Him being any race is irrelevant to his personal accomplishments.
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Game Day Hero [4281]
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Freeman thinks it does .
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:54 PM
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He brought it up as important
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Ring of Honor [23815]
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Actual full context quote from Freeman. Its patronizing to speak for him.
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:33 PM
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Answering a lame race based question about black guys that inspired him…
“There’s so many. I mean, there’s so many and so many different races. I mean, the impact Jim Tressel has had on my life, and Luke Fickell and Darrell Hazell, the guys I’ve worked for. It didn’t matter what color they were. It’s the way they went about their business, but then I’ve followed Tony Dungy from afar, reading his books, meeting with him. Mike Tomlin from afar. Todd Bowles, I mean, there’s great coaches, but you don’t just follow them because of the color of their skin,” Freeman said.
“You follow them because of their actions and the men of integrity they are, and their hard work. I think of Nick Saban. I think of Kirby Smart. I mean, those are guys — You got to be yourself, but you’re a fool if you don’t study what the best do. There’s something that they do that is helping them have success. So, I have to be Marcus Freeman, but I’m going to study the best. I want to study those guys, and some of them happen to be minorities, and some of them don’t.”
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Three pointer from half court.***
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:52 PM
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Re: Freeman thinks it does .
Jan 10, 2025, 10:57 AM
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I haven’t heard him bring it up at all. The only time I’ve heard him talk about it is when a reporter asks him about it and even then he downplays it and talks more about the importance of being a good coach regardless of skin color.
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Top TigerNet [29954]
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Pointless... to you.
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:22 PM
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Not, evidently, to others. Representation matters. Seeing folks who look like you succeed on the biggest stage allows for folks to begin to believe anyone can achieve things regardless of race, creed, color, nationality, or any other factor that has historically been used to divide.
Also, lets not pretend that they spent more than a minute or two of the whole game coverage talking about it
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Ring of Honor [23815]
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Its random to pretend like things that happened 60 years ago are
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:44 PM
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somehow relevant to Marcus Freeman’s coaching career.
It’s equally ridiculous to pretend that all of us witnessing Freeman do well at Notre Dame change ANYONE’s mind about society.
This topic was extremely relevant…. Like 40 years ago.
Now it’s just patronizing and awkward.
Black coaches won super bowls decades ago. We had a black president over a decade ago.
Black guys are guys just like everyone else. People should be treated with respect, not like they deserve a special trophy for skin color or gender. Marcus Freeman is a good coach. Period.
Are we a sexist society because there are no women coaches? Do we all hate gays because theres no gay coaches? How many hispanic coaches do we need to make the playoffs to prove we are an equal society? Focusing on identity is stupidity.
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Are you always this tone deaf?***
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:03 AM
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Re: Are you always this tone deaf?***
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Jan 10, 2025, 12:10 AM
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So he’s tone deaf for asking a question about sports and what they choose? One thing that’s consistent of every team I’ve been a part of. Best players and coaches were a part of it. No one didn’t make it bc of color, sexuality, or any other stupid reason. Try to understand sports before calling someone tone deaf.
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No, he is tone deaf because he has zero willingness to consider this issue
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Jan 10, 2025, 8:18 AM
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from anyone’s perspective other than his own.
“Understanding sports” has nothing to do with the fact that this year will be the first time a black coach has been in the national championship game. Why does that being pointed out bother you?
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Re: No, he is tone deaf because he has zero willingness to consider this issue
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Jan 10, 2025, 9:11 AM
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No, he is tone deaf because he has zero willingness to consider this issue from anyone’s perspective other than his own.
Ohhhh the irony in this statement is almost too much....
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Ring of Honor [23815]
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Have you ever actually played sports on a team older than 10 year olds?
Jan 10, 2025, 6:36 PM
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This kind of thing is so far outside of actual sports culture that it's an annoying joke. A team is trying to win. Thinking about everyone's race or sexual orientation is a stupid waste of time. Whatever TONE you prefer is absolutely opposite of what exists in actual locker rooms.
It is INSULTING to people to treat them like special cases because of their identity. Marcus Freeman told us how HIS perspective about the "tone deaf" race baiting question from insulated, clueless dorks. His direct quote is above. He doesn't care about race. He's just as Asian as he is black anyway. Does he get a trophy for both? It's insulting.
If you treat someone special you are not affording them equality. You are implying being black and Asian is like a disability or something, which is gross and ridiculous. Equality isn't you getting to feel like a special white savior by patting the poor minorities on the head for being so special. Equality is literally treating them with respect, like anyone else. It's "tone deaf" not to realize that.
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Re: No, he is tone deaf because he has zero willingness to consider this issue
Jan 10, 2025, 7:45 PM
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This aged SOOOOO well. 😆 See Marcus Freeman’s answer to this nonsense. He shut this talk down immediately and completely in the post game interview. Look in the mirror for who’s really tone deaf.
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Ok. Black
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:25 PM
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Does that work?
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Re: that's probably true..
Jan 9, 2025, 10:26 PM
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But you have to wonder if it's really an issue anymore. Guys just want the best leader for their program. Not sure.
As a sidebar, while it will be the first black coach, it's also not the first fully black coach. Both are mixed race with Freeman being clear much more African American than Asian. As for Franklin, I still really don't consider him black at all and really not sure one thing about him would tell me he is considered African American/black.
That's just my take on it.
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Game Changer [1944]
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Re: And I'll add while I respect both guys
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:28 PM
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I love Marcus Freeman.. seems very relatable and an easy choice to play for.
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Re: that's probably true..
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:24 PM
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As for Franklin, I still really don't consider him black at all and really not sure one thing about him would tell me he is considered African American..
This is hilarious. Does he need to offer proof? If you need any...here's some. One od his daughters has Sickle Cell Anemia. And while this isn't solely a "Black person's disease" it is definitely more prevalent in Black people. and it is recessive. So both Franklin and his wife must carry the gene.
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Re: that's probably true..
Jan 10, 2025, 12:32 PM
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It’s only an issue to the people who want to keep us divided.
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Game Day Hero [4281]
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Yeah cause for people of color race has never been
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:24 PM
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A defining factor in the history of this country!!! Sarcasm of course. Compare the percentage of players and impact players to coaches ethnically. There was a well founded reason why the NFL had to take action in this area.
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Ring of Honor [23815]
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That issue has been dead for over a generation. Its moot and awkward now.
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:28 PM
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Coaches are just coaches. Neither of these guys are downtrodden victims. It’s insulting to them to treat them differently because of their skin color. Respect is treating someone normally based on merit.
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Re: Yeah cause for people of color race has never been
Jan 9, 2025, 11:54 PM
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You are right. I hope the chiefs go for a 3peat and they ask Travis Kelcie how he feels about representing the minority in the NFL and Ike he represents minorities like us whites. Maybe if the few keep succeeding we can get more opportunities to make it bc the #### nfl is holding us down right brown? Glad you called out the hypocrisy the black man gets all the advantage in the nfl and the slower white folk are held back bc of skin color and no way there’s anything else to it like maybe the players drafted are just better. That can’t be it it’d prejudice against white people. Makes sense you idiot
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Re: Yeah cause for people of color race has never been
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:57 PM
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Umm..nice try bud. I think the story is going over your head.
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Game Changer [1883]
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Re: Yeah cause for people of color race has never been
Jan 9, 2025, 11:59 PM
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What story fella
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Re: Yeah cause for people of color race has never been
Jan 10, 2025, 12:00 AM
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The little diatribe you wrote. It's almost as if you were writing on the wrong thread or didn't understand the topic.
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Re: I don't recall white people ever being excluded from the NFL
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Jan 10, 2025, 9:08 AM
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like black people were excluded from college football and college in general until relatively recently.
Actually, black people have been over represented in the NFL based on a percentage of population for the last 50 years.
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Re: I don't recall white people ever being excluded from the NFL
Jan 10, 2025, 9:15 AM
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White people are still allowed to play in the NFL if they're good enough. Black people weren't allowed to play major college football in the South no matter how good they were.
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Re: I don't recall white people ever being excluded from the NFL
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White people are still allowed to play in the NFL if they're good enough. Black people weren't allowed to play major college football in the South no matter how good they were.
Two points
You used the word recently which is inaccurate.
White people can play in the NFL if they are good enough and black people can coach in the NFL if they are good enough so what is your point? Are we to assume anytime a black people are underrepresented at a position it is racism but when white people are underrepresented at a position is is because they are not good enough? Seems like far fetched logic
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Re: I don't recall white people ever being excluded from the NFL
Jan 10, 2025, 10:05 AM
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50 years isn't that long ago, historically speaking. There are people on this board who attended Clemson when it was still segregated. Those old attitudes haven't completely died out yet. I didn't say anything about underrepresentation, though. Black people weren't "underrepresented" in major college football in the South. They were literally prohibited from participating.
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Re: How is that good history? Who cares what the race of the coach is?
Jan 10, 2025, 11:04 AM
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I agree with you and hopefully more African American will get head coaching opportunities to prove they are good coaches. Historically, African American coaches don’t get the same opportunities to be a head coach, especially at schools with fan bases who are predominantly white.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:17 PM
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Yeahh there's the first of something every single year
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always about race***
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:23 PM
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Why does that matter?
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 9, 2025, 11:50 PM
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Because of history. It should have never mattered. Now we have come so far.
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All the folks wondering why "it matters".
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:30 PM
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Have you considered, for one second, that it's not about YOU and how you feel?
You're not always the target audience, and that's okay.
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So its about you? Or are you speaking FOR someone else
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:35 PM
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in order to make yourself feel morally special?
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:31 PM
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Race isnt ever an issue until people push narratives. I like Freeman and dont care what his ethnicity is, and Im pulling for ND. So a coaches color makes these games better history than Saban winning his 7th, or Dabo winning his first or whatever? I never even thought about Freeman or Franklin being of whatever until you brought it up. When people stap talking about is when people will stop seeing it.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:43 PM
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I thought we were past judging someone based on the color of their skin. And yet it keeps getting stirred back up.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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America is way past that. There’s a select few who aren’t. America (for those who haven’t left the country are way past it) is far superior for opportunity for all. Before the game I was cheering on Notre dame bc I really like freeman as a coach. After his post game speech where he said this win was as for blacks, Asians, whites, just for good people to lead young men. Outside of dabo he’s my second favorite coach in all of sports.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 9, 2025, 11:59 PM
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Generally we are much further along, but that's where you don't get the story. There weren't the black coaches and it is finally being done and it's a positive. It just points out how far we have come. That's all.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 12:01 AM
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No maybe you missed the point. It’s about good people leading young people. Freeman literally called out blacks, Asians, and whites and left it at good people leading young men. He’s a great coach and a great person. Only idiots turn into race and anything other than he’s a good dude.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:54 AM
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True there were not black coaches. It just a natural progression. It's like celebrating that you got to mile 200 on I-40...why not celebrate mile 201 or mile 199? If a white man set the world record for the 100 meter dash should we celebrate that and declare that history was being made since the last time a white guy was considered that fastest man alive was in 1960?
Or should we just celebrate him as a human being instead of just seeing it as a racial accomplishment that has precisely ZERO to do with anyone else of his race?
We need to stop dividing into these camps that can't seem to just view people as people.
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:44 PM
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Jan 9, 2025, 10:44 PM
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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I always find it so amusing when those that get on their politically correct high horse about race ALWAYS sound the most racist
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:50 PM
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Nice story bro. Not in this scenario.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Thanks for pointing that out. I never gave a second thought about either of their color.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:51 PM
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That's how far we have come. It used to matter and now it shows how far we have come. It's great.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 9:13 AM
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I hadn't paid a bit of attention to either school before kickoff last night so I don't know how much this narrative has been floating around. But I thought the coach handled it well with his response to the ESPN chick that last night was about his players.
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Re: What about both men being bi-racial? Just the black side gets credit?
Jan 10, 2025, 8:48 AM
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There was no such thing as bi-racial in the US until fairly recently. If you had "one drop" of black ancestry, you were considered black and treated as such. Most people would describe Freeman as black if shown a photo of him.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:01 PM
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I was a little surprised to learn it hasn't happened already, but sometimes I forget it's only been 50-60 years since southern schools began admitting black students and athletes. There are people on this board who attended Clemson when it was still segregated. Those days might seem like ancient history now, but they really aren't.
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110%er [3715]
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 10, 2025, 9:33 AM
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I was at Clemson (living on east campus with football players all over the place) when we won the 1981 championship, but it wasn't until the 2022 ACC documentary that I realized many of the old boy IPTAY crowd considered it an issue that Homer Jordan was black. We knew we were shocking the world at that time, but to the students it was more of the "little ole Clemson" mentality than the complexion of any of the players.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 9:42 AM
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Interesting, because even in the 90s black players complained about racism at Clemson.
"I've been to a lot of campuses, and this is the worst I've ever seen," said wide receiver Larry Ryans, a senior from Greenwood who also is a member of the Clemson track team. "It's like the Old South. You've got fraternities on campus that still fly the rebel flag. I've never seen any place like this and I'm from a podunk town. Personally, I don't like the atmosphere here. It's really bad." Tailback Rodney Blunt, a junior from Pensacola, Fla., also said he has had problems at Clemson. "I've never experienced racism in Florida like I've experienced here," Blunt said. "When (blacks) play football, the crowd will be cheering us. But 20 minutes later, after we've got ten out of the locker room and into street clothes, those same fans will see us at a convenience store. They'll think it's just another black, and want to cut in line and pay for something before us."
https://www.goupstate.com/story/news/1992/11/29/festering-tensions-black-clemson-players-say-they/29551762007/
I'm glad you didn't have to experience it, though.
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TigerNet Immortal [170724]
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Hes not mentally handicapped or anything.
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:27 PM
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Why you wanna pat him on the head like getting to the natty game was somehow punching above his weight?
He’s a man and a damngood coach, period.
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Tiger Spirit [9908]
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LOL
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:33 PM
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Don’t forget the Transes!
I’m sure there’s gotta be a tranny somewhere in his family at least.
Why would you leave them out? Hmm…
Don’t be such a bigot.
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No one cares. He said it himself...it's about his merit
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:46 PM
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NOT his race nor ethnicity.
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Campus Hero [13957]
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Re: No one cares. He said it himself...it's about his merit
Jan 9, 2025, 11:54 PM
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Actually people did. A lot of people came out and said he was only hired because he was black etc etc. Those people were fools of course. The real issue is that used to be a major issue and it isn't so much and that is something to celebrate. It's a positive note a negative. It will no longer need to be talked about now that is finally done.
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Ring of Honor [23815]
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It was done already. Now we have to have it in each CONFERENCE championship.
Jan 9, 2025, 11:58 PM
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All the divisions. Every state. First to win 2, 3 etc.
It’s clearly stupid and insulting.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:52 PM
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This may be the dumbest post I’ve ever read on Tnet. And I’ve been observing this chaos since the spring of 1997.
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Dynasty Maker [3262]
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 9, 2025, 11:59 PM
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The Tiger Woods of football 🤣
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 10, 2025, 7:59 AM
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Can we finally drop all the handles we hang on people. The first this the first that and the other. Coach Freeman is a dang good coach who has made the Pope's Pupils relevant again. As a person he would be successful in any endeavor not because of his color but because of his ability to achieve great things. JMO
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Legend [6846]
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 8:05 AM
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I'd almost certainly guarantee you there are more people pulling for ND because their coach is black than there are people pulling against ND because their coach is black. Both of these groups of people are racists yet only one gets called out for it. Ever wonder why that is?
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Game Changer [1858]
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 8:09 AM
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Nobody cares
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Orange Blooded [2582]
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It's funny
Jan 10, 2025, 8:59 AM
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Until TNet started talking about the race (technically raceS, since both men are mixed) of the two coaches, I hadn't -- even for a second -- thought about it. Not for one second. But unfortunately, now I am.
To me, they're college coaches. That's it.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 9:06 AM
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Asinine… if you are a good coach I promise you will get a phone call. It don’t matter what color the man is.
Media is hung up on race. Some have done made the Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen MVP discussions about race.
Same thing with Caitlyn Clark. I hate I even wasted my time responding to this. Media loves to create divisive narratives. Getting worse.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 9:20 AM
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I think Dabo could have been the first Irish-American to win a Natty and pretty sure that Ara Parsegian was the first Presvyterian to have won a Natty as coach of a Catholic school. I have not yet checked to see if an Franco-Americans have won it, as they would be more likely to win a soccer championship since we are stereotyping people.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 9:22 AM
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When were Irish-Americans, Presbyterians, and Franco-Americans not allowed to play college football or even attend schools like Clemson?
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Paw Master [16417]
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Nothing more racist than making race a qualifier.***
Jan 10, 2025, 9:22 AM
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Re: Nothing more racist than making race a qualifier.***
Jan 10, 2025, 9:27 AM
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Welcome to pretty much the entire history of the United States. Race has always been a qualifier. It was certainly a qualifier 60+ years ago when people who looked like Marcus Freeman were prohibited from playing major college football or even attending schools like Clemson.
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Paw Master [16417]
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Racist then and racist now.***
Jan 10, 2025, 9:44 AM
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Re: Nothing more racist than making race a qualifier.***
Jan 10, 2025, 9:44 AM
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Why the need to keep pointing it out? Dredging up decades old legal discrimination practices seems to be counter productive if we want a color blind society in the future. Or maybe you want to keep the issue alive for some reason?
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Re: Nothing more racist than making race a qualifier.***
Jan 10, 2025, 9:49 AM
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Because it's never happened before. It's a sign of progress.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 9:54 AM
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Here is a hot take...
If people want to look at that as a positive sign or celebrate it, let them. If people want to look at it as race-baiting or stoking divisiveness, let them.
Those opinion will come from their view of the world, their place in it, their perceived importance of the problems in the world, and what constitutes progress or retreat
Neither one hurts you as a person
Message was edited by: N0VATiger®
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 10, 2025, 10:06 AM
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Freeman is half Asian and half Black. Franklin is half Black and half White. Why would we not consider them Asian and White instead of assuming they are both black?
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 10:14 AM
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I actually have seen people talking about him also being the first Asian coach. Most people would describe Freeman as black if shown a photo of him, though, and appearances do matter. Historically in the US, people with any visible black ancestry whatsoever have been considered and treated as black.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 10:40 AM
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Another point to consider is that Asians don't have the same history of being excluded from college football, so it's not quite as meaningful that one of them is coaching in a national championship game for the first time.
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
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Jan 10, 2025, 11:08 AM
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To make finals and for Marcus Freeman also first Asian(mom is from South Korea) head coach to be in championship game.
Ahhh, racist are you? Color of skin matters, huh?
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Ultimate Clemson Legend [100748]
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So you pulling for the black guy or the yellow one?
Jan 10, 2025, 12:45 PM
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Frankly, I've never pulled for or against anyone because of their color. I can't imagine being that simple.
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Paw Warrior [4815]
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 6:42 PM
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MLK would abhor the start of this thread.
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Commissioner [1233]
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Re: Good history to be made either way tonight.. 1st black coach
Jan 10, 2025, 7:41 PM
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I’m thankful for leaders like Marcus Freeman, whose value as a person isn’t determined by skin color.
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Paw Master [17683]
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As long as we focus on making history
Jan 10, 2025, 7:53 PM
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We're oblivious to the future. Letting details cloud the big picture. Freeman is a good man. A man...period.
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