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TNET: Herbstreit on narrative that he wanted Alabama in CFB, rips ratings of "small little Clemsons"
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TNET: Herbstreit on narrative that he wanted Alabama in CFB, rips ratings of "small little Clemsons"
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110%er [3856]
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He's turning into Finebaum 2.0.
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Jan 7, 2025, 5:29 PM
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I dunno. Maybe Dabo's huntin' dog scared his therapy dog or something.
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Re: He's turning into Finebaum 2.0.
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Jan 7, 2025, 5:42 PM
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Leave the dog out of it, he don't watch college FB, and he don't care anything about the rating. As long as Kirt loves and shows him that he loves him with an occasional pat on the head or scratch his back, that's the only thing that the dog gives a crap about period!!!
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Paw Warrior [4609]
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Leave the DOG of it?
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Jan 7, 2025, 5:58 PM
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What in the world has happened to this country 🤣
Look, I love my pets, but it's a #### animal. They are meant to hunt, kill, and reproduce. They only love me insofar as they need me.
Y'all are hilarious.
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Game Changer [1768]
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Re: Leave the DOG of it?
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Jan 7, 2025, 7:04 PM
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You’re stupid. My dog is our CHILD. We are not having kids therefore he IS our kid and we treat him as such.
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Re: Leave the DOG of it?
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Jan 7, 2025, 10:22 PM
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lol
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Re: Leave the DOG of it?
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Jan 8, 2025, 10:35 AM
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I have 40 + horses that are my children now and I love them all very much too!
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Re: Leave the DOG of it?
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Jan 7, 2025, 10:19 PM
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It’s pretty telling that you can joke about people all you want, but bring another person’s dog into a completely benign joke and you get anger. I guarantee if there was a joke that said “the Swinney sons scared Kirk’s sons away, that’s why they transferred”, zero would’ve been said. Which would have been the correct response. No response. It’s emblematic of a really weird society.
I love my dogs as well. We call them our babies and they live like queens. But joke about them all you want. It can’t offend me. Joke about my family….to a point. But after that point, it’s game on.
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Re: Leave the DOG of it?
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Jan 7, 2025, 11:11 PM
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Herbie is mad his kid never saw any snaps, he's pissed at Dabo. Clemson vs TX had huge ratings and Clemson always travels hige and brings views . The PAW is iconic at this point and we recruit nationwide. Kirk take a hike buddy. Go Tigers!!!!!
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Re: Leave the DOG of it?
Jan 8, 2025, 8:42 PM
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So South Bend Indiana is a BIG market. NO.
Notre Dame has followers and cash money. Clemson has followers and a little money. Not money like these other schools and we still put out a product. Answer that.
GO TIGERS!!
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Re: He's turning into Finebaum 2.0.
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Jan 8, 2025, 7:21 AM
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I dunno. Maybe Dabo's huntin' dog scared his therapy dog or something.
He is spot on. National interest is not watching clemson as much as we would like it to be
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More People eat at McDonalds and don't eat Prime rib. Cater to the masses***
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Jan 7, 2025, 5:31 PM
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110%er [3856]
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Then explain the McRib.
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Jan 7, 2025, 5:32 PM
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Campus Hero [13940]
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can't explain pork anomalies!***
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Jan 7, 2025, 5:33 PM
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Orange Phenom [15071]
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That's still a problem
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Jan 7, 2025, 5:31 PM
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There is a bias in the media produced sports shows to want certain teams and/or matchups.
They need to back up the pumping for certain teams and do more content on the teams themselves, analysis on games and reporting story lines instead of pushing for something that lines their own pockets.
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110%er [3856]
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They can do whatever they want.
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Jan 7, 2025, 5:34 PM
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And so can we by choosing to read a book instead of watching these heads blab on about nothing.
It's really, really, really bad TV.
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Re: They can do whatever they want.
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Jan 7, 2025, 5:39 PM
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Yep I’m out on all their SEC bias, listen to me shows. Nauseating. I could probably not watch Gameday and pretty much fill you in on what was said. Same crap, different week.
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Re: They can do whatever they want.
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Jan 7, 2025, 5:42 PM
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Did I give some TD’s instead of TU’s. See some 50’s after I thought I gave TU’s. Dang it man if I did I apologize. Did not mean to TD anything in this thread so far.
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Re: They can do whatever they want.
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Jan 7, 2025, 6:21 PM
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It happens to all of us, and the only thing that can be done about is what you've already done, apologize. They can accept it or not, their choice, oh well...
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Re: They can do whatever they want.
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Jan 7, 2025, 5:41 PM
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And so can we by choosing to read a book instead of watching these heads blab on about nothing.
It's really, really, really bad TV.
I agree with you, it is a really bad product......it's not even about "i'm mad cause there being a meanie pie to clemson" type thing, its bad TV because the information is pure garbage and incorrect and they constantly peddle it as the opposite.
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Beyond the half-a**ed analysis and
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Jan 7, 2025, 8:29 PM
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bluster, it's just lousy programming. COVID made it okay for people to stay home and go live and now everyone does it. A crappy, lazy product.
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Of course they can
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Jan 7, 2025, 6:25 PM
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As fans we can call out their double standards too.
Further, they don't have to be offended when they get called out on their double standards either.
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Re: They can do whatever they want.
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Jan 7, 2025, 6:25 PM
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Agreed. Gameday became unwatchable a few years back. Really of all ESPN's non sporting event programming is fingernails on a chalkboard.
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he literally blasted indiana for losing
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but said nothing about tennessee or oregon getting ran out of the stadiums they were in. the more he talks to more insufferable he has become.
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Re: he literally blasted indiana for losing
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Used to be one of the best. ESPN must have had a sit down with him and told him he needed to get with the program. Need you to be more biased.
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Re: he literally blasted indiana for losing
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Jan 7, 2025, 5:54 PM
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You are small to me now too Herbie. You are exactly what ESPN wants.
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Ideally, it should have zero to do with ratings, or the opinions and judgement
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Jan 7, 2025, 5:56 PM
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of "experts". It should be about earning it by winning/process of elimination. You know, like virtually every other sport.
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Re: Ideally, it should have zero to do with ratings, or the opinions and judgement
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the arrogance of ESPN. They feel the sport is about them
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Re: Ideally, it should have zero to do with ratings, or the opinions and judgement
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Jan 7, 2025, 6:23 PM
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I don't waste my time watching any talking heads re. anything. And when watching sports, I mute the sound 'cause my eyes can tell me what iz happening. That radio on TV is not for me.
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Re: Ideally, it should have zero to do with ratings, or the opinions and judgement
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Jan 7, 2025, 7:40 PM
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The issue with CFP is there’s so many teams across multiple, self governing conferences. They don’t play easily comparable schedules so you’re left with this mess. Its not practical to expand the playoffs like the NCAA basketball tournament. The only way it gets cleaned up is a 20-40 team football super conference manged by a single entity like other professional sports. Unfortunately until that happens this is where we live
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Re: Ideally, it should have zero to do with ratings, or the opinions and judgement
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Jan 7, 2025, 10:09 PM
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I agree, but pretty sure Herbie was talking about the outcomes of the games leading to the current matchups, not the original invitations.
Clemson’s student body—and therefore, alumni base as well—is the 3rd smallest to win a national championship in the modern era.
And the 2 that are smaller—Miami and Notre Dame—have immensely larger draws outside their alumni. So Clemson has the smallest pull of all the national brands.
Then add SMU to this year’s mix—the second smallest FBS enrollment in the country. Most of the other CFP schools have 10x the enrollment of SMU. With Clemson and SMU taking two spots, ESPN had to hope the other matchups would be more lucrative. And they are, by far.
Remember, advertising prices escalate the deeper into the playoffs we get.Those businesses buying commercials in those B1G and SEC areas are gonna be paying premium money for ads by the time we have a champion. Greenville, not as much.
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Re: ratings
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Jan 7, 2025, 6:30 PM
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Ratings are exactly why we will stay in the ACC.
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Didnt the Clemson vs Texas Game
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Jan 7, 2025, 7:07 PM
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… have one of the highest ratings for the first round???
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Re: ratings
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Jan 7, 2025, 7:08 PM
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Perhaps your Coots would drop out of SEC too and join ACC. LOL! Staying in ACC is a Death Sentence to Clemson trying to overcome the sorrynesss of that conference.
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Game Changer [1944]
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He's right...but I would add that Bama
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Jan 7, 2025, 6:52 PM
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Is a ratings hog too. They bring on the eyeballs.
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Re: He's right...but I would add that Bama
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ESPN hates Clemson because Dabo is Christian!
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Re: He's right...but I would add that Bama
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And Notre Dame isn’t? It has nothing to do with “being a Christian”. They don’t like Dabo because he’s his own man and won’t do what they want him to do. It’s the same criticism he gets on this board. He was pretty stubborn for a few years (hiring non qualified coordinators who were his friends, fighting NIL, and refusing to use the portal even though the roster needed it) and Clemson’s performance dropped. Dabo has since changed his hardline stances on these and the team has improved significantly and will continue to improve. You’ll see ESPN begin to be more favorable towards Clemson now because the team is back to a level where it should be. I don’t understand why we think it’s ok to criticize him, but when anyone else does, we get our feelings hurt.
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Re: He's right...but I would add that Bama
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You're right. Espn doesn't hate Dabo or Clemson. I could have told exactly what would be posted as soon as herbie said something. Can't believe so many people on here couldn't see what he was saying. He is spot on with everything he said... and none of it was demeaning. It's just business. Ghesh.
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Re: He's right...but I would add that Bama
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Jan 7, 2025, 8:17 PM
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Well said. It actually irritated me more reading people's responses than what Kirk said. He literally stated facts.
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Exactly
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mfloyd® Too often Tnet completely misses the point which is NETWORKS WANT BIG SCHOOLS WITH THE BIGGEST FAN BASES.
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Re: He's just trying to misdirect fans' attentions away from ESPiN's SEC bias.***
Jan 8, 2025, 7:56 AM
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And the fact that the SEC has played poorly in this playoff.
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The stats dont lie Kirk
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4 of the top 5 teams in terms of viewership, and the top conference for viewership, and the top network for viewership? SEC, SEC, ESPN/ABC
Really interesting breakdown for any data nerds on this board. With the comparative limited size of our alumni base I feel like Clemson had some really respectable numbers
https://collegefootballnetwork.com/2024-college-football-tv-ratings/
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CFP Narrative
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Jan 7, 2025, 7:34 PM
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If you noticed the playoffs were designed to get as many SEC and/of Big 10 in the final 4. If you noticed had Tennessee gotten through OSU and Oregon and UGA beaten ND then the SEC would have had 3 in the final 4. That wasn’t done by accident. Of course hen Tennessee lost the Narrative shifted to OSU and Oregon being the 2 most talented teams. If that was the case wouldn’t you set it up to have them meet in the final. That was just a cover after the SEC flopped.
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Herbie has lost all credibility!
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Jan 7, 2025, 8:01 PM
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Herbie has lost all credibility. ESPN has been totally biased for the SEC for years know. Just turn it on and listen to all the BS they all spout out about how good the SEC every year. That results in over half the SEC teams being ranked in the preseason polls when only about 3 or 4 of them deserve the ranking. This gives the SEC an unfair advantage in the strength of schedule rankings each year at the end of the season when they play each other and lose to other SEC teams. Herbie has been totally corrupted by ESPN and is only another biased talking head for them. He loves to cash his check each week and that is all it is about for him anymore. No honesty and can’t tell the truth. He is no better than anybody else at ESPN. He is full of crap!
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Let's cut him a little slack
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Jan 7, 2025, 8:12 PM
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We are a small market team. His kids went here.
He made a good point with a good example.
Don't get offended.
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Re: Let's cut him a little slack
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Love to see a rational thought on this board. Thank you, sir.
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Calm down...
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I didn't find anything he said out of line. Our enrollment is small. Year over year that creates a smaller alumni/fan base. ESPN makes more money from bigger fan bases.
Kirk has spoken highly of Clemson for years and was one of the first to dismiss the ########## term when things started turning around. He's not the greatest analyst I've ever seen but he doesn't have an axe to grind with us. Some of you need to get over yourselves with this permanent butt hurt mentality. I love all Tigers but let's man up a little.
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110%er [3856]
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Nothing butthurt about it.
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Jan 7, 2025, 8:43 PM
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I don't think he's got an ax to grind with Clemson. Wouldn't care if he did.
I do think he's a become a pompous shill with a multi-million dollar contract, and you can't get any more in the bag than "Ratings are big, massive, Big Ten brands. That’s where ratings are."
I'm speaking as a former journo who had to balance a desire for ratings with a commitment to balance and fairness. Balance and fairness usually trump ratings.
Unless of course you're a pompous shill with a multi-million dollar contract.
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Re: Nothing butthurt about it.
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He didn’t say anything about ratings affecting the integrity of the selections or matchups.
He said the current matchups should pull the best ratings ESPN could hope for, and that he personally was NOT lobbying for any additional SEC teams.
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110%er [3856]
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No, he just said he's glad the *right* teams got in.
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"Right" being the ones that draw the best ratings for his network.
And because he knows his network has, is, and will continue to scrutinize every dollar they pay every ridiculously overpaid personality like him, he really, really, really wants those teams, not other teams, to get in.
Because he just wants to get paid.
Which is what leads him to make addlebrain statements like the one he made on that boring podcast show.
I say addlebrain because "the small little Clemsons" *are* a national draw and *do* pull ratings.
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TNET: Herbstreit on narrative rips ratings of "small little Clemsons"
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Jan 7, 2025, 9:53 PM
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Didn't he send his kids here? What a hole
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Didnt the Clemson game have phenomenal ratings as well?!?
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Jan 7, 2025, 10:49 PM
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Not sure about KH’s beef...you’d think he would still have love for his kid’s alma mater.
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He is spot on, there sure are a lot of thin-skinned
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fans in here.
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Re: He is spot on, there sure are a lot of thin-skinned
Jan 7, 2025, 11:28 PM
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THIS is a Clemson Man. Quit being crybabies.
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He has the mic and the camera... He can spin it anyway he wants, BS or not.***
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Re: Yeah ok
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If u don’t like herb or espn (which is certainly biased) don’t watch but u dont need to take comments out of context…he prefaced his comment about small schools not drawing ratings with an “if, then…” response to the assumption…I like herbie more than anyone else on espn…not saying he’s the best analyst but I like him.
Go Tigers!!
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PLAY BALL !!
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He’s talking about the if ESPN only wanted the highest ratings, they wouldn’t want Clemson in the playoffs. Nothing to get defensive about because it’s true on a national stage. Clemson vs a high rating team brings great ratings, but a Clemson vs a small market team doesn’t have the national pull as Ohio State, Texas, Notre Dame would. It’s not a knock on Clemson, we are in a small state with two popular teams. Ohio only has Ohio State, Notre Dame has support from Catholics all over the world, and Texas is the flagship school in a huge state with a big brand (they had their own tv network). We don’t need to get our feelings hurt every time someone doesn’t say that Clemson is biggest and most popular team in the country. We don’t want that, Dabo doesn’t want that.
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Herbie is nothing but a woke crybaby loser. Credibility = zero.
Jan 8, 2025, 8:42 AM
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All he does is pander for the big brands. News flash moron, ratings should have ZERO to do with any of this.
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Maybe I'm Missing Something Here
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Jan 8, 2025, 8:47 AM
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To me, he didn't appear to be ripping Clemson. He appeared to be defending his stance on who he favors to win the championship year by year. He also appears to be defending against accusations of SEC bias. By comparison he's correct whenever it comes to media ratings and big money. The BIG 10 sweeps the floor with every other conference whenever it comes to media ratings and revenues generated. There's nothing wrong with being accurate and correct about that. To sum it up, it appears to me that Kirk was merely saying that whenever it comes to revenues from media ratings, nobody wants the small schools with a small fan base. Clemson is a national brand for sure, but he wasn't attacking the brand itself. He was just setting the record straight regarding his personal view of who he believes should be in the playoff etc., and he based it upon the season's body of work, strength of schedule, and roster talent, not media ratings.
Just my opinion on his comments for what it's worth.
GO TIGERS!
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TNET: Herbstreit on ratings of "small little Clemsons"
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Jan 8, 2025, 10:51 AM
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All Herbstreit is saying is that Clemson has a much smaller fan base and viewing audience than Ohio State and ND, which is demonstrably true. I would think Herbstreit's loyalties are first to Ohio State, where he went, and second to Clemson, where his sons went.
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Get it right Herbie
Jan 8, 2025, 11:09 AM
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Herbie needs to look at the TV ratings. Georgia and Texas have much higher ratings than O State, Michigan, Penn State, or Notre Dame. Penn States ratings are no better than ours and they are piggybacking on O State and Oregon. Notre Dame ratings are worse than ours.
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Re: TNET: This just doesn't sound right coming from Herbstreit
Jan 9, 2025, 7:01 PM
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Just don't understand how he could ripping on Clemson FB TV rating bc when we play really good teams, our TV rating are off the charts. Maybe his two sons should rip ole dad about the ratings for OCRYO bc I'm sure ours have reached rating highs as good as what OCRYO has when they play really good teams...
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Dynasty Maker [3294]
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Yada Yada Yada
Jan 10, 2025, 12:38 AM
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Do any of us really care what any of these guys spout out on the airways? Look at Finebaum....I don't think anyone would ask him which direction the mens room is--creepy. Have you looked and noticed how little of these gurus actually correctly predict with teams and players. Sure there are standouts but good coaches and dedicated players make a huge difference.
TV will take care of itself. There are a lot more teams outside the sec than in it so be assured if the ESPN trademark shows up om team logos, there will attorneys swarming. The only thing talks bigger than money is the threat of taking a bunch of money.
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