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New Story: Swinney agonizes over the five plays that cost the Tigers a championship
Jul 27, 2016, 9:01 AM
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Swinney agonizes over the five plays that cost the Tigers a championship
Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney doesn’t hesitate to tell his players or the media that five plays each game usually dictate who wins and who loses, and it didn’t take Swinney long to find the five plays that cost the Tigers the National Championship against Alabama in January. And those plays probably aren't the ones that come to the minds of fans. Full Story » |
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Agonizes? Just a couple days ago he was laughing about it***
Jul 27, 2016, 9:06 AM
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I hope the pressure of missed opportunities & failed...
Jul 27, 2016, 9:08 AM
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special teams isn't taking its toll on Clemson's head coach?
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Don't forget visions of a TE running wide open down the
Jul 27, 2016, 9:16 AM
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field. All. Effing. Night.
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Dabo fired a DC for giving up 70, perhaps he should've
Jul 27, 2016, 9:23 AM
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fired a Defensive Assistant for giving up 45?
I know FM will be disappointed if Clemson Football's potus is getting soft.
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Re: Don't forget visions of a TE running wide open down the
Jul 27, 2016, 9:53 AM
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yep that is what gets me. never fixed it. we have given up some cheap ones on coverage busts too many times for such a good D
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Yep, it's unfortunate our D went soft at the wrong times***
Jul 27, 2016, 9:55 AM
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Re: Don't forget visions of a TE running wide open down the
Jul 27, 2016, 11:13 AM
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Our safeties went pro but couldn't cover a little used TE. That is what gets me. About guys going pro. They know they are leaving but them they blow it in. A big game and. Somehow, that's supposed to translate to the pros...... Simply you can't do that and if the. NFL scouts would look at intangibles more and final tapes........then I don't those two would have left on that performance. Jayson barely got drafted....silly could have been 1st round material. I would have rather had Korrin Wiggins in the game anyways.
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Re: Don't forget visions of a TE running wide open down the
Jul 27, 2016, 11:14 AM
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Omg auto correction on a cellphone =auto corruption....sorry for the strange errors
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Re: Don't forget visions of a TE running wide open down the
Jul 27, 2016, 2:40 PM
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The play in the story is the one where Watson had TE wide open, but only ten yards down the field. easy first down instead of an interception. However, a little more air under the throw and it would have been a TD too.
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Re: Don't forget visions of a TE running wide open down the
Jul 28, 2016, 8:02 AM
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That was 110% on our safeties....Its really comical because that game alone has somehow propelled OJ Howard to the top of the Mackey Award list....Give me a fckn break...and a new safety at that
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Re: I hope the pressure of missed opportunities & failed...
Jul 28, 2016, 2:51 PM
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You people kill me! He is the same coach who led the team to 14 straight victories during the season to even have a chance to make a few mistakes to lose the NC game.
My God, he's not perfect. Let's fire him!
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Que the popcorn gifs...***
Jul 27, 2016, 9:11 AM
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Re: New Story: Swinney agonizes over the five plays that cost the Tigers a championship
Jul 27, 2016, 9:17 AM
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Well he knew all season that special teams sucked.
Just saying
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Curious Minds Would Like To Know: "...the five plays"
Jul 27, 2016, 9:23 AM
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The article (and HCDS) sort of allude to them, but does not indicate JUST which ones they were (other than that they were NOT 'the kick' or 'the return').
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Re: Curious Minds Would Like To Know: "...the five plays"
Jul 27, 2016, 9:27 AM
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Going to bet that DW4's was the interception in the game. Alabama scored a touchdown on that next drive.
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yep...the INT was #1, but what were other 4?
Jul 27, 2016, 9:31 AM
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Oops...DW4's number!
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Re: yep...the INT was #1, but what were other 4?
Jul 27, 2016, 9:56 AM
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Guess on 3 more of them would be:
2) Whoever made the mistake on the edge or mid-field coverage/angling that allowed Henry's 50 yard TD run in the 1st quarter
3) The blown coverage by TJ Green on TE OJ Howard in the 3rd quarter that ended up a 53 yard TD pass.
4) The blown coverage by either Green or Tankersley (due to confusion) on TE OJ Howard again the drive after the onside kick that allowed a 51 yard TD pass.
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Re: yep...the INT was #1, but what were other 4?
Jul 27, 2016, 12:20 PM
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Also, that little flip to Howard? on Alabama's final drive that got them all the way down the field and then Henry scored the clincher. Still can't understand why he was able to make it all away around the edge and cut upfield without being touched.
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Re: yep...the INT was #1, but what were other 4?
Jul 27, 2016, 9:57 AM
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The loss of Mackensie Alexander, I think that was the most critical injury that could have happen to our defense in that game. Without that loss, I believe he stops at least one of those if not both down the sideline TD's, and we win that game.
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Re: yep...the INT was #1, but what were other 4?
Jul 27, 2016, 12:21 PM
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I agree wholeheartedly.
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Re: Curious Minds Would Like To Know: "...the five plays"
Jul 29, 2016, 9:10 AM
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Not to mention that wouldve been a TD for us because Renfrow had a B line that he wouldve scored off of had he caught it. Things happen though & the what if's will torture you if you dwell on them
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Re: Curious Minds Would Like To Know: "...the five plays"
Jul 27, 2016, 9:34 AM
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Here's two that come to mind right off. Henry's long TD run and Deshaun's interception. I haven't had the stomach to rewatch the game to recall some others.
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I thin perhaps if he directed our attention to the plays...
Jul 27, 2016, 10:16 AM
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we would know who made the mistakes. I appreciate him not pointing the finger in public. Blaming a player(s) is the most chickenchit thing I've ever seen a coach do.
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Re: Curious Minds Would Like To Know: "...the five plays"
Jul 28, 2016, 1:09 PM
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> The article (and HCDS) sort of allude to them, but
> does not indicate JUST which ones they were (other
> than that they were NOT 'the kick' or 'the return').
Watson's pick and the 2 TD's to the TE would be 3 I think. Minus the on-sides kick & run back idk. My point if u take away any one of those plays we win but Bama had to have ALL of them to beat us. The worst part is how did we let that happen
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I agonize about it. Some of the younger fans weren't alive in 1981. Many of us were and we know
Jul 27, 2016, 9:26 AM
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How hard it was to get back. Hopefully it's not another 34 years
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Re: I agonize about it. Some of the younger fans weren't alive in 1981. Many of us were and we know
Jul 27, 2016, 10:05 AM
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I have a funny feeling we aren't going to have to wait that long again.
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Not "funny feeling"... it's a fact.***
Jul 27, 2016, 1:30 PM
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Let it go boys. It's our time now***
Jul 27, 2016, 9:37 AM
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Re: Let it go boys. It's our time now***
Jul 27, 2016, 10:11 AM
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no joke. must be really tough living in some of these goobers lives. nothing but perfection will ever do for some of these guys. can only imagine what they do to their kids, god forbid if they have any, when they do something wrong.
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Sounds to me like it was 7 plays
Jul 27, 2016, 9:41 AM
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and they're intentionally ignoring 2 of them.
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Re: Sounds to me like it was 7 plays
Jul 27, 2016, 10:45 AM
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It definitely was 2 plays on ST that definitely cost us the NC and maybe 5 other plays than those that might have cost us the game.
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Re: New Story: Swinney agonizes over the five plays that cost the Tigers a championship
Jul 27, 2016, 9:44 AM
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so you have an article about the 5 plays......and you dont list the 5 plays........C'mon David....
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Lol, I doubt that Dabo elaborated in public about which 5...
Jul 27, 2016, 10:35 AM
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cost us the game. If he named the plays my guess is David had to swear by signing in blood that he would not reveal them to the public.
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Re: Lol, I doubt that Dabo elaborated in public about which 5...
Jul 27, 2016, 10:37 AM
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dabo mentioned them at the golf outing. scroll back. or google is a fine tool.
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"It's all about what we can control. It's not about
Jul 27, 2016, 9:48 AM
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anything else and let's take care of us. And just so you know, the onside kick wasn't in that clip, and the kickoff return wasn't in that clip."
So we have no control over the other team returning a kickoff for a touchdown?
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Exactly bob, Dabo's public quotes the last couple days
Jul 27, 2016, 9:53 AM
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have been eye opening. D-Rad better be shortening that leash and at least thinking about a list of head coaches that will be available. Just in case...
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He's starting to sound like a former Clemson coach which I
Jul 27, 2016, 10:01 AM
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will knot name, but who is a goodchristianman.
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Re: Exactly bob, Dabo's public quotes the last couple days
Jul 27, 2016, 10:03 AM
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Yep, let's fire the most successful coach we've ever had because of a few sentences he said. Never mind the fact that Dabo's tenure has given us the most consistently winning program in school history.
You guys kill me.
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Re: Exactly bob, Dabo's public quotes the last couple days
Jul 27, 2016, 10:07 AM
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I vote gwp head coach
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Re: "When a great team loses through complacency, it will
Jul 27, 2016, 10:22 AM
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Pretty sure complacency is not why we lost the National Championship game.
Do you guys even hear yourselves??
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Well our posts are in writing, so not really
Jul 27, 2016, 10:31 AM
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@Crump can't even get a tmail indicator to work right and you expect him to be able to add an audio feature where we can hear our own posts?
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potd***
Jul 27, 2016, 10:21 AM
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Re: potd***
Jul 27, 2016, 10:45 AM
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You guys are blind, spoiled, and too stupid to have a conversation with if you're so much as even considering running Dabo off at this point.
People like you are why we can't have nice things.
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Re: potd******
Jul 27, 2016, 10:50 AM
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call him elf one more time***
Jul 27, 2016, 11:01 AM
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"Angry" fellow elf...?***
Jul 27, 2016, 1:34 PM
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Re: potd***
Jul 27, 2016, 11:13 AM
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Dood
Jul 27, 2016, 11:39 AM
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You need to get your sarcasm meter checked
Lol
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C'mon Chris! You're Being JUST as Snarky as GWP!
Jul 27, 2016, 10:26 AM
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Actually, @Topher, I'll bet most in this thread disagree with @GWPTiger - and I think he is just stirring the pot ('GWP' is probably a Latin phrase meaning just that. Sure wish my ol' EE Prof - Dr. Martin - were around, he was always laying Latin phrases on us and could set me straight.... Noto Bene?! ).
But to come on here and say we ALL (your words being 'you guys') want to can Dabo is disingenuous, just like saying Dabo thinks it was funny to have lost the Natty because he isn't moaning and groaning and crying about it (still)...
I personally think there's some good observations here - ESPECIALLY concerning an article about 'The Five Plays That..." - and then we are NOT told what HCDS says they are!
Dabo is as good as we've ever had, and I'm of the opinion when he goes, it will be HIS choice, not Clemsons'. And I'm pretty damb optimistic about HIM leading us to natty # 2, also.
But me (and probably a LOT more folks on tnet) still enjoy speaking AND hearing our opinions on various topics, even if we disagree OR don't like them. But it doesn't mean we should "lump 'em all together with generalities or mass condemnation". Just sayin'....
[and I blame THIS rant on my frustration with our current political process and sad state of affairs We The People currently find ourselves in... AIA]
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Re: C'mon Chris! You're Being JUST as Snarky as GWP!
Jul 27, 2016, 10:53 AM
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I don't know who you are, but if you know me well enough to know my first name and to know what fraternity I was in at Clemson, then you should also know me well enough to know that I am not targeting the Tigernet public when I say "you guys." I am referring strictly to the poster(s) I am replying to.
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Re: C'mon Chris! You're Being JUST as Snarky as GWP!
Jul 29, 2016, 9:49 AM
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Sorry Topher, didn't mean to infer a familiarity or acquaintance. I know two other Tophers that are Christophers. Further, I apologize for MY snarkiness - as I said, the negativity abounds these days and my meter was pegged!
And while we weren't frat brothers, we ARE Clemson Tiger brothers, and I'm sure if I did know you, I would've bought a round or picked up a bar tab, or if you happened by our tailgate - I would be the guy in all orange offering you a cold beverage, a chicken wing (or two) and one of our chairs in the shade!
Bottom line, I'm only here due to my love of all things Clemson, (probably) as are you, and that's what really matters.
GO TIGERS!!!
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Re: C'mon Chris! You're Being JUST as Snarky as GWP!
Jul 28, 2016, 3:05 PM
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I don't believe Topher was lumping everyone on here together at all. It was pretty obvious that he was referring to only the numerous posters who were making negative comments about Dabo and I wholeheartedly agree!
It is more than idiotic to even suggest that Dabo should be fired for losing the NC, when he is the same coach who got us there in the first place! He didn't win several Coach of the Year awards for being a poor coach or doing a bad job.
Why so much negativity about the most successful football coach we have ever had, including Danny Ford. Danny never won at least 10 games a year 5 years in a row.
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Re: Exactly bob, Dabo's public quotes the last couple days
Jul 27, 2016, 12:29 PM
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Agreed. Dabo is NOT going anywhere. We all saw the game and can figure out why CU lost. Everyone agrees it was 5-7 plays that did it. No use in calling out players at this point. What would it accomplish?
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Re: excuse after excuse
Jul 27, 2016, 10:15 AM
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Some of us need to get our head examined on here. Keep Dabo on a "tighter leash"? "Not looking good going into the season"? "Excuse after excuse"? What team were you watching? I saw a team that laid it on the line all year and barely lost to a very worthy opponent at the very end. I didn't hear excuses at all. Reflecting and learning are more like it. That's how you win. One thing winners don't do is start criticizing Dabo really in any way at all at this point. Those 5 plays are reasons why we lost, not excuses for why we lost. Big difference. Sorry to call some of you out on it, but man...
In Dabo I Trust
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That said, I'd like to know the five plays as well, but think they are the ones already mentioned on here by my best guess.
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TU for the Gladiator reference***
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#1 was Alexander getting injured, and the other 4
Jul 27, 2016, 10:27 AM
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were Green filling in for him.
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Jul 27, 2016, 10:53 AM
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TigerNet Immortal [170315]
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#1 was Alexander getting injured, and the other 4
Jul 27, 2016, 12:04 PM
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were Green filling in for him.
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Orange Phenom [14184]
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Did you mean Baker?***
Jul 27, 2016, 1:53 PM
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Rival Killer [2977]
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Re: New Story: Swinney agonizes over the five plays that cost the Tigers a championship
Jul 27, 2016, 11:06 AM
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My list includes The Injury and special teams play. But then again I'm retired and even if not, nobody's lining up to ask me to coach anybody. I'm just really proud to be a Tiger and see our student athletes doing so well!
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Team Captain [468]
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Re: New Story: Swinney agonizes over the five plays that cost the Tigers a championship
Jul 27, 2016, 11:10 AM
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Youz guyz need to relaxe. Noone here is actually criticizing dabo. It's a joke. Get it?
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Orange Blooded [2469]
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I hope none of yall are serious saying Dabo might not be the 1 we need
Jul 27, 2016, 12:03 PM
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I promise there is no one that hates we lost more than I but he got us here and to think we might need someone else sounds like the Carolina fans.
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Clemson Icon [26914]
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GWP to incorporate Sarcasm Meter Technologies... The
Jul 27, 2016, 1:41 PM
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market analysis on TNet alone shows a substantial market, especially with the newbs...
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CU Medallion [19860]
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No kidding Coach - We conceded Special Teams all season
Jul 27, 2016, 8:59 PM
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Worked against inferior competition all season which was almost everyone we played ... just not Bammer. Players were equal. Tigers may have had an edge. We were flat out outcoached. Does not happen often. Lesson learned: attempt to improve and control Special Teams with best players on the field in 2016.
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So, Saban was outcoached at the end of the Iron Bowl in 2013
Jul 28, 2016, 2:55 PM
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when Awbarn ran the field goal attempt back? No, just goes to show that even the supposed greatest coach of all in college football wasn't prepared for EVERY eventuality. Dabo is fixing problems as they continue to repeat, and he will fix Special Teams for the most part. Sometimes you have to give credit to the other guy. Saban called the onsides kick at the absolute perfect time in the game, and out of desperation as he himself admitted.
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Reactions to the end of that game out on Youtube are still the funniest stuff I have ever seen concerning a football game to this day.
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Re: New Story: Swinney agonizes over the five plays that cost the Tigers a championship
Jul 27, 2016, 9:25 PM
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In a couple of the numerous interviews that have been posted on TNET, Dabo said that there were five plays that Alabama could have laid down on the field because Clemson beat themselves in those 5 plays. He elaborated on 2, both to do with DW4. When he showed the video of those 5 plays to the players he wanted them to know that even the best on the field that day made mistakes that were about Clemson and not Alabama. One I remember him mentioning is when the Bama DB fell down and Hunter was wide open.......DW4 overthrew. I can't remember the other one he mentioned. Nowhere have I heard all five as of yet, but I am betting the question will be asked soon.
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