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CU Medallion [20357]
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Yep.
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:03 PM
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Some of you said it was a done deal Clemson going to either the SEC or Big 10. So...where are your sources now? This would be devastating for the ACC, Big 12, or any other team getting their good teams in the playoffs. Recruiting ploy-you play in our conference and there's a good chance you end up in the playoffs. To quote The Animals: "We gotta get outta this place!" Go Tigers!!!!
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Orange Elite [5344]
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Re: Yep.
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:25 PM
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I still think it happens. I never thought it would happen quickly, but some people got my hopes up. Maybe 5 or 6 years, but I think we are headed for a reorganization of college sports.
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Re: Yep.
Sep 30, 2024, 8:01 PM
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The Big 10’s next TV contract will start in 2030. What year are we trying to get the GOR to end in with the proposed settlement. There’s a reason for that.
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Re: Big Ten and SEC eyeing partnership
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:09 PM
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Will ESECPN allow this? They have a vested interest in both the ACC and SEC. Big is connected to Fox. TV deals will also dictate this whether they like it or not. And if they go to 2 conferences I believe they will have to take the blue bloods from the ACC and Big 12
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Paw Master [17276]
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espn is spear heading it
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Sep 30, 2024, 3:47 PM
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its why they colluded with the sec to get ou and texas in. they wanted expansion and more people at the table for their golden goose the sec..they couldnt careless about the acc hence the small pay out the acc gets
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Orange Elite [5344]
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Re: espn is spear heading it
Sep 30, 2024, 7:57 PM
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Yes. They are leading the way.
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National Champion [7974]
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Re: Big Ten and SEC eyeing partnership
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Sep 30, 2024, 2:21 PM
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Let them break away and ruin a good thing over being entitled babies. That’s the opposite of competition, they don’t want anything to be decided on the field.
I am all for the super leagues: 7 + 1 conferences of 10 teams each, 1 conference being the (forget the word for changing every year based on performance) where we get competitive balance and the end of conference headquarters employees.
I’m surprised to see universities act like this, pretty effing appalling.
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Relegation***
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:10 PM
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National Champion [7974]
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Re: Relegation***
Sep 30, 2024, 7:14 PM
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Thank you much
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Re: Big Ten and SEC eyeing partnership
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Sep 30, 2024, 3:20 PM
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All fine and good as long you can be competitive in said "super conference". If you turn out to be a mid-pack team, then what?
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If they form their own league pthat will be the end of any legit Championship
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Sep 30, 2024, 3:57 PM
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Yes they would hold most of the legit talent, but no nearly all of it. You can label yourself Champs but without a playoff that includes at least representatives of the best from the rest, your just crowning your league champion and naming them CHAMPS.
There are already things that are beginning to ruin College Football, this will just be another nail in the coffin.
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I keep hearing that college football is ruined.
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:23 PM
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Yet, it's more popular than ever.
I'm curious. What kind of kind of mind altering substances lead one to insist on things that are so patently false?
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Re: I keep hearing that college football is ruined.
Sep 30, 2024, 5:08 PM
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It's jot going to be popular in the long run, when they cut off too many fan bases. College football is still built on regional fan bases. If you drop too many school from the top tier (a la Washington St. and Oregon St.), too many fans will lose interest, and this popularly you are mentioning will dissipate.
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Probably not to Wash St and Oregon St fans and alumni.
Sep 30, 2024, 6:45 PM
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Go Tigers!
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Associate AD [1001]
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Re: I keep hearing that college football is ruined.
Sep 30, 2024, 5:46 PM
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I hear you and maybe ruin is the wrong term but right now it is hurting more than helping. My thoughts IMHO:
1) The NIL and transfer portal have no controls
2) Not having a formal process, however vague and changing it was in the past, makes it difficult to crown a proper champion.
3) If the SEC and Big Ten separate from the rest of the BCS they will have effectively created a new division.
4) This would be fine if they were all the best teams. But a look at the last 10-20 Champions would say otherwise.
5) Stretching Conferences across the country does a disservice to the student athlete and possibly loss of some of the conference traditions.
I'm okay with change. I've been around awhile and seen lots of conference changes. We may lose some of our favorite match ups but others will become and thrive. Heck bring on the NIL and the Playoffs and let the colleges pay for play. Just bring controls. Make it as much as the NFL as you like. We will still have the traditions and rivalries that exist. They athletes will still be less mature and develop in front our eyes before heading to the NFL.
I truly believe the lack of controls and stretching conferences across the country are doing more harm than good right now. But this to shall pass and it will become just a different form a college football that we will have to get used to.
Finally, I will still watch it, love it and reminisce about the way it was then I was young!
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Re: If they form their own league pthat will be the end of any legit Championship
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:28 PM
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ESPN needs the ACC and Big12 to fill content gaps across the platforms during the regular season. They have no motivation to protect playoff spots for anyone besides the P2. Yes, Fox has invested in the Big10, but ESPN itself benefits from Big10 bluebloods during the CFP for max tv ratings. They gain nothing by advocating beyond Clemson, FSU, and probably Miami reaching the playoffs. Leaving spots for two of those three is fine with them.
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This is just another step along the road to P2 breakaway.
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:28 PM
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12 game schedule.
9 game conference schedule.
2 games with the other conference.
1 game free to choose. (UF can play FSU, Coots can play Clemson, etc.)
Also note they are talking about 4 automatic bids for each conference, and talking about "making it more objective" rather than letting a committee pick the teams. (Anybody remember when computers picked the top 2 teams?)
All the more reason for FSU and Clemson to get out of ACC and into the P2 quickly.
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I'm notoriously stupid. But what would be the advantage of forming a league
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:33 PM
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that supporters of the other 100 or so universities would not watch?
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:37 PM
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This is sad and a shame that the presidents of the BiG and SEC schools are willing to shaft the rest of the teams outside their conferences. SEC doesn't surprise me but B1g does. I fully understand ESPN because all they really care about is ratings and the money they feel they will get tighter control over. i wish the NCAA could just adopt an NFL like formula with top 64 programs regardless of conference. And have no conference ties or automatic playoff bids.
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The whole thing is nuts. I realize I'm in the strong minority on this but it
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Sep 30, 2024, 4:43 PM
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would not bother me at all if Clemson joined with other non-SEC and non-Big Ten teams and said "Forget it...you guys do you and we'll do us." I realize that will probably mean less money but if we are completely separate from them, who cares?
No need to argue...I know it isn't happening and I know a lot of Clemson fans/alumni put a lot of value in us playing "college" football at the highest revenue level.
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The SEC, lead by Skanky Sankey, it just a bunch of greedy basturds!***
Sep 30, 2024, 5:11 PM
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Re: Big Ten and SEC eyeing partnership
Sep 30, 2024, 5:15 PM
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The rules are clear about the Playoffs so step away from the cliff.
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Re: Big Ten and SEC eyeing partnership
Sep 30, 2024, 6:58 PM
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They need more audience than just fan of two conferences.
Clemson won't be left behind and neither will any other football school with a pulse.
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Sep 30, 2024, 7:48 PM
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Would this be legal? I am no lawyer, but it feels like there should be some sort of legal issues here. Maybe collusion to control the market or forming a monopoly / duopoly to stifle competition.
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My Comment won't be popular, but be open-minded
Oct 1, 2024, 1:59 AM
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TV money and NIL will make it so at least 8 of the best 12 teams in the country will be B1G or SEC. Each and every year. The two conferences are looking ahead to the inevitable. If you look at the polls right now, 12/13 top teams are B1G/SEC. Only exception is Miami at #8. The gap between the two conferences from everyone else will continue widening as the revenue disparity grows.
One could make a counterpoint that guaranteeing each conference 4 teams in the playoffs won't be necessary. However, I read somewhere their goal is to completely eliminate the CFP Selection Committee and remove all subjectivity from the process. Each of them gets 4, ACC and Big 12 get one each, Group of Five gets one and Notre Dame gets the final slot (with some conditions)
It's a very hard pill to swallow but I do understand where the two conferences are coming from. As the years go by, it will become more obvious.
UNC and UVA are the biggest targets from the ACC, not Clemson and FSU. TV market eyeballs and alumni are more coveted by the two big conferences than past football tradition.
Last thing: Notre Dame's very large, outlier influence on things will decline in coming years and they will be forced to join the B1G by 2030 or have their legs cut off. I just can't see them choosing the SEC under any circumstances.
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