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Orange Beast [6215]
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So in the way too early
Nov 8, 2024, 2:30 PM
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to predict the dem 2028 nominee contest, what say you?
Should the party give KH a do over and up the investment to $2B? I don’t see that happening.
Newsome, Shapiro?
I suppose JDV will have momentum on the pub side.
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Campus Hero [13180]
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Harris/Talib***
Nov 8, 2024, 2:31 PM
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Oculus Spirit [41658]
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Bernie Sanders and AOC***
Nov 8, 2024, 2:33 PM
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Clemson Conqueror [11603]
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Just the next revolution in the cycle
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Nov 8, 2024, 2:38 PM
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Trump does a sheety job in 2016 - 2020; so pretty much any dem they put up wins
Biden does a sheety job 2020- 2024; so the pub put up a proven loser and he wins
Trump does a sheety job 2024 - 2028; so pretty much any dem they put up wins
We’ll be in the same spot we were in 2020. Most people will be tired of the incompetence and nonsense so they’ll vote against Vance and lots of pubs will lose their seats in congress for being pu33ies and not standing up the orange baby.
The only way this cycle is broken is if somehow vance doesn’t get the nomination and a real Republican has the opportunity to represent what used to be the Republican Party.
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Valley Legend [12227]
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Brian Kemp
Nov 8, 2024, 2:44 PM
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Current GA Governor. He wants the White House from the whispers I've heard. I think Harris losing threw a wrench in that.
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Game Changer [1877]
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Kemp would be a good choice for the GOP
Nov 8, 2024, 3:24 PM
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He would represent a right-center candidate that would be more in line with the traditional fiscal conservatism/small government philosophy that used to be the hallmark of the republican party. I would've voted for him over both these candidates easily.
As for Democrats, Newsom feels too far left to appeal to voters in the middle of the bell curve. I would say Shapiro or Buttigieg would do a better job appealing to that crowd. Buttigieg in particular seems to have earned some respect from some republicans for being willing to go on their Fox News turf to field questions and concerns from the people.
I couldn't help but compare that behavior from Buttigieg to Biden's behavior in calling all Trump supporters "garbage" just days before the general election. (What a freaking dumb*ss move that was.)
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Rival Killer [2682]
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2028 offers Dems a chance at someone who is not a defender of the Establishment.
Nov 8, 2024, 2:51 PM
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If you consider 2016, 2020, and 2024....Trump was able to position himself as the outsider every time, even when he was the incumbent in 2020. The Dem candidate has always been seen as the defender of the Establishment, the guy or woman who wanted to keep us or return us to some previous sense of normalcy and order.
That will not be the case in 2028. Trump and his hand-picked MAGA successor will absolutely be The Establishment by 2028. It will be the Dem who is the outsider, and unlike 2016, 2020, and 2024, I think the Dem will not be fighting to restore some previous order of things. It will be Trump's swamp that the Dems will be looking to drain.
And I hate to say this, but there is still a built-in extra hurdle in American society for a female POTUS candidate. Dems might try and push along a man next time, someone who isn't 75+, and someone who isn't part of an establishment mindset.
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Clemson Conqueror [11603]
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The dems are morons they just put the 3 worst candidates anyone has ever seen
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Nov 8, 2024, 3:12 PM
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Against the worst candidate the pubs have ever had. All they needed to do was put someone reasonable with half a brain up against Trump and he would never have won an election.
I don’t understand the thinking why put the most progressive person you can find up against the most fascist person you’ve ever run against? Find someone closer to the middle and wipe the floor with him. All or nothing has to stop put someone up who can win even if he doesn’t scream from the top of his lungs in support of all of the progressive initiatives you crave; it’s gonna be better than the other guy. With that said, their candidate selection is idiotic, so it’ll be Buttigieg or the president of planned parenthood.
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Rival Killer [2682]
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Trump was a much better political candidate than you're giving credit....
Nov 8, 2024, 3:31 PM
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His policies are not conservative, and he's turned the GOP into a MAGA-extremist freak show. But he's very formidable in an election, because he positions himself as an outsider who is going to shake up the establishment and blow things up. And people like hearing that.
If Biden were a younger man, say in his 60's, he would have mopped the floor with Trump. But his age did him in. I think Kamala ran a much more centrist campaign than many are giving her credit. But it didn't matter. She was not seen as the candidate of change, but as the defender of inside establishment beltway politics. She couldn't move away from Biden. And being a woman is still a handicap in American politics.
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Hall of Famer [8319]
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Re: So in the way too early
Nov 8, 2024, 3:15 PM
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Wes Moore vs JD Vance
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Haley/Noem***
Nov 8, 2024, 3:39 PM
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Orange Beast [6292]
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Re: So in the way too early
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Nov 8, 2024, 4:49 PM
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Well the Dems seem incapable of nominating someone who isn't either an extremist, isn't insanely unlikable or is under 80 so don't get your hopes up.
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Orange Phenom [15042]
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Re: So in the way too early
Nov 8, 2024, 4:53 PM
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If you do a deep dive into the demographics of this election, it's very interesting.
I thought Harris might win because of the abortion issue. That turned out to be a big nothing burger and Harris spent a lot of time on that issue.
59% of voters are non absolutists on the issue of abortion. For those ok with abortion in most cases, the vote was even between Trump and Harris. That is very surprising to me. For those opposed to abortion in most cases, Trump won 92% of the vote.
38% of voters had absolutist views. 60% of all Harris voters feel abortion should be unrestricted. 11% of all Trump voters feel abortion should be illegal in all instances.
So for those somewhere in the middle, Trump owned this issue.
I read a quote from the Liberal Patriot that said, "The priorities that dominate the Democratic Party today are those of educated, liberal America which only partially overlaps and sometimes not at all with ordinary Americans."
The Republican Party is at this time very much the party of working class America and Trump made major inroads with those 18-29, voters under 30 including women, blacks, Hispanics, etc.
White women which comprised the largest voting bloc at 40% went 53% Trump to 46% Harris.
For those making >$100K/yr-Harris won by 8% points.
Bernie Sanders may have overstated things but he said, "It should come as no surprise that a Democratic Party which has abandoned working class people would find the working class has abandoned them."
Neither party is your grandfather's party.
I suspect the Dems will field a more centrist candidate in 2028 such as Shapiro and the field may be ripe to beat Vance or any other Pub as I expect the Pubs will overreach. If the Dems go with Harris, which I very much doubt or Newsom, they will lose again.
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Clemson Icon [24011]
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Re: So in the way too early
Nov 8, 2024, 4:56 PM
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