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Orange Blooded [3099]
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A few thoughts on Clemson Basketball....
Mar 9, 2013, 9:03 PM
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I was fortunate enough to play college basketball. Was actually considering walking on at Clemson until Barnes left. With that said, we Definately need a new gym. I say keep LJ and use it for practicing and concerts if you like but we desperately need a new smaller gym to play our games in. I went to Clemson basketball camps every yr while in hs and the layout is the weirdest I have seen. For example, to get to the players locker room you have to go through the tunnel, then into a door that takes you up several light of stairs. Nothing like the coach getting the players pumped up before the game or at halftime and instead of taking a few steps from the locker room pumped you have to take the stairs to get tto the floor. Doesn't sound like much but it's big. Build a smaller arena which will be filled and have the fans right on top of the court.
As far as Brownell, I think he is the right man for he job. He has had bad luck with injuries and having to change your seniors mindset from a type of play that is a lot different than when they first started. And obviously you had at least one senior who may not have had his mind on the right things to get better. I am amazed at the names thrown around as replacements for Brownell. The names that are mentioned that would be a better fit no way in h### do they come here. Shaka isn't leaving and Stevens at this point will not even consider coming to a football school and leave a team that is about to join the catholic 7 and make a dominant bball conference. I feel like Brownells system is the type of offense and defense we need to compete in the acc. We have some pieces just need some more. Especially a few shooters. Purnells system was fun to watch but we weren't going to be able to out recruit and have better athletes to just run up and down the floor.
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that arena does need to go....get the students on the side
Mar 9, 2013, 9:23 PM
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of the court and not at the end either...build something around 8k seats.
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Orange Blooded [3099]
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Yeah 7-8k is a good number.
Mar 9, 2013, 9:32 PM
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Shake_n_Bake ... A couple questions for you
Mar 9, 2013, 9:32 PM
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You sound like you have some hands-on playing experience and insights, so I am aking these questions to you seriously. What is it about Brownell which makes you believe he can turn Clemson into a regular NCAA tournament team? Who are "the pieces" you state are currently in place on this year's team? Can Clemson have a better ACC record next year with returning players? Should we retain Brownell after 2013-14 season if we win only 4-5 ACC games next year?
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Orange Blooded [3099]
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Brownell is a good x and o coach...
Mar 9, 2013, 9:51 PM
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Has pretty much won everywhere he has been. I was a big fan of his at Wilmington. He understand playing good sound defense and having guys come off screens to get open shots. We have struggled making jumpers but I would be more concerned if we couldn't get open jumpers. That just wasn't the case. We had good game plans and ran good plays to get open shots.
The "pieces". IMO we should be a much smaller team next yr but will be much better shooters. I like the development of Roper and mcdaniels. They will only continue to get better. I like hall handling the ball. Coleman has experience and can shoot the ball. Blossomgame is a player and look for him to contribute immediately. I think knoko will continue to develop. Hopefully sullivan and josh smith can get better in the offseason. We are going to win games by being smart and playing good defense. The offense will come next yr with roper, blossomgame mcdaniels and Coleman. We just need 1 or 2 more to step up.
I think Brownell should have 2 more yrs. we will not have any sr next yr. lets seriously judge this guy the yr after next when hall, Sullivan, mcdaniels, and technically Coleman are seniors. Lets not forget Brownell has taken us to the tourney and actually won a game.
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WHen you can build a defense that can hold teams to 60
Mar 9, 2013, 10:26 PM
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points or less, you have a great chance to win. However, as hard as Brownell might try, he can not make shots for players. Just look at today. Early on Roper was 5-5 and the rest of the team was 0-8 I think. Miami really gets on Roper, which leaves 24 open, wide open for a THREE. Result, a brick. We have a couple of players that will pass up a wide open three. Most teams in this conference drain wide open threes. Our big men miss more 2 footers than anyone in the country. They rarely, and I mean rarely, make an old fashioned three point play. The one thing I don't understand from a coaching stand point, is how, after being here 3 years, Brownell allows Booker to take the ball to the floor on a rebound 2 feet from the basket. This has cost us many points and several games. Brad Dougherty said that Dean Smith NEVER allowed a big man to take the ball below his shoulder under the basket. We do it almost every time we touch it.
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New, more intimate arena that puts fans on top of the
Mar 9, 2013, 9:44 PM
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court (especially the students); that would be great.
I also agree that Brownell's "system" is fine, and could be very successful at Clemson. I know we can't recruit head-to-head with UNC and Dook, but I believe we can recruit good enough at Clemson to be successful in Brownell's system. I don't believe, however, we have recruited well enough under Brownell thus far; I think it's gonna have to get better, and as you point out, we need good shooters in particular. I see no reason we can't get those either at Clemson.
Brownell's future hinges on two things, in my opinion: How good we perform next year with the addition of Blossomgame and Rooks, as well as Coleman, and who he is able to bring in in the next class.
I think the announcement of a new arena would be a sign of real commitment, and a shot in the arm for the program, and could help Brownell bring in that job saving class. Without it, I don't know if he can.
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It would be a waste of money to build a new arena IMo. Put
Mar 9, 2013, 9:56 PM
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that money into football and baseball. I may be wrong but I dont think the arena is the problem. Clemson isnt a basketball school and a new arena probably will not change that
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LJ is part of the problem...
Mar 9, 2013, 9:59 PM
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If you don't put money in basketball you may as well get rid of it, tear down LJ and make it a parking lot for football.
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CU Medallion [58647]
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Exactly***
Mar 9, 2013, 10:08 PM
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when barnes and parnell were here and winning, lj was
Mar 9, 2013, 10:22 PM
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packed and it was known as one of the loudest venues in the acc.
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Orange Blooded [3099]
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And it was still a dump back then.***
Mar 9, 2013, 10:25 PM
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CU Guru [1559]
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They won in that dump. So you arena point is meaningless***
Mar 9, 2013, 10:26 PM
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And they left the dump.***
Mar 9, 2013, 10:55 PM
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CU Medallion [58647]
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And facilities (new arena) are key to attracting players.***
Mar 9, 2013, 10:10 PM
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Re: And facilities (new arena) are key to attracting players.***
Mar 9, 2013, 10:20 PM
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I have to agree that while LJ seems ok, a commitment to improving facilities would send a message that we are invested in basketball at Clemson. That could help recruiting.
I think Brownell is the guy who can elevate CU BB to a competitive level in the ACC but he needs a little more time and support. Go Tigers!
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I just think its hilarious to hear people blame the bball
Mar 9, 2013, 10:28 PM
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problems on the arena. Hopefully the administration is smarter than that. We are what we are, a football and baseball school. A new gym will not change that
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Re: I just think its hilarious to hear people blame the bball
Mar 9, 2013, 10:34 PM
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I think the consensus is that the facilities aren't the basic problem but an improvement could help. We need all the help we can get.
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But it's not just the arena. There IS a serious lack of
Mar 9, 2013, 11:10 PM
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basketball tradition at Clemson as well. There is no denying that. That lack of tradition reinforces the perception that we don't really care about basketball at Clemson. The task is to build some tradition.
A new arena would NOT change all of that, but it would a key component.
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First, WF could not and would not build a football stadium
Mar 9, 2013, 10:48 PM
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that would allow it to compete year-in and year-out in football (even though they have done incredibly well given their size and resources). Clemson, on the other hand, is perfectly capable of building a new, up-to-date basketball arena.
Just because Clemson has never had a consistently strong basketball tradition, don't fall into the trap of believing it can't. Why can't we? We won't go out tomorrow and sign 5 McDonalds All Americans, but we can dang sure recruit better than we have over the last few years, and I think, with a real commitment from the BOT and the admin, we could attract better players than we ever have. Clemson is a great school, and while we don't have the tradition, we certainly have the resources and fan base to build that tradition. It's gotta start somewhere, and if we really are "just a football school", and we aren't going to make an all-out effort to win in basketball, the I'm quite serious when I sat just scrap the whole basketball program and pour the money into football. Fortunately, I'm betting the powers that be don't share that defeatist mind-set, and will make an effort to bring winning basketball to Clemson.
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I find it strange that we can pack 75,000 to nearly 90, 000
Mar 9, 2013, 11:08 PM
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people in for every home football game, whether the team is good or not, and an unknown amount of people outside the stadium that never come in but just hang out, but yet we can't pack Littlejohn out for every home ACC game and big OOC games. 10, 000 people is all we need. A tenth of what shows up for Clemson football. Basketball is a major college sport. We aren't talking about filling the soccer stands up or anything.
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Our basketball program needs a shot in the arm. There
Mar 9, 2013, 11:19 PM
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was a time, even when we weren't that good but still believed we could beat the big boys, that we did pack out LJ. I think that we have been so beat down over time, that we are now feeling the cumulative effect. I have hope that it can be revived.
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Football is played in DV 7 times per year....
Mar 10, 2013, 10:43 AM
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And nearly always on Saturdays. Much easier to get time off from work and much easier for students to attend without worrying about homework, classes the next morning, etc. Basketball is also much more reliant on students to fill the arena because of the "in-week" schedule than football. If the product isn't there, even college kids aren't going to show up if they have other priorities to tend to.
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Auburn's nice new arena has not helped them.***
Mar 9, 2013, 10:56 PM
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Neither has their new coach, who started at the same time***
Mar 9, 2013, 11:22 PM
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