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I don't understand all the animosity toward TB.
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Mascot [5090]
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I don't understand all the animosity toward TB.
Apr 16, 2009, 6:15 PM
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The guy gave every ounce of blood, sweat and tears he had to Clemson University for 10 years. He didn't win as much or at a level Tiger fans wanted but he did everthing with class and he improved the program 10 fold over where it was when he arrived.
Why the hate?
Personally, I thank him for everything he did, wish him luck in whatever he does and am thankful we have a new start.
I don't see any need to badmouth him now that he's gone.
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I agree. His own weakness was he was too loyal.
Apr 16, 2009, 6:19 PM
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If he had replaced Spence a couple of years ago, I think he would have won an ACC championship by now and would still be the HC at Clemson.
I wish him luck though. He's a very nice guy.
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Legend [18026]
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"own" should be "only"***
Apr 16, 2009, 6:20 PM
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CU Medallion [51584]
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Re: "own" should be "only"***
Apr 16, 2009, 7:25 PM
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I thought "own" was more accurate - he did have a couple of others.
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Orange Blooded [2441]
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And you base this conclusion on what?
Apr 16, 2009, 7:16 PM
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He never won one before Spence.
My problems with TB is that we were soft, unimaginative and did not make very good adjustments in the game.
That's not all on Spence. It's all on TB.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I don't see a whole lot of hate. I think the vast majority
Apr 16, 2009, 6:26 PM
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of folks had utmost respect for Bowden as a man and realize he did a good job (actually better than most every coach in our history) at Clemson. I would say it's basically only the simpleminded people who made it personal with Coach Bowden.
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Mascot [5090]
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Scroll down the page a little bit.
Apr 16, 2009, 6:27 PM
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There is a LOT of animosity toward Bowden around here. A lot of it could be Gamecock imposters, though.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I don't agree with "a LOT". I don't think the couple people
Apr 16, 2009, 6:35 PM
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in that thread represent a lot, and they're certainly not a majority. Again, I think the vast majority of Clemson people respect the man and the coach, albeit we wanted him to do better. There are some simpleminded people around here though.
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Legend [18758]
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His best was 8-9 wins per season. That will get you fired
Apr 16, 2009, 6:51 PM
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at most D1 programs, unless you have no ambitions of winning your conference or a National Championship. Tommy is a good administrator, a fine man and a good recruiter. He was out coached on the field, much to our embarassment, on many occasions. He appeared aloof and unwilling to make tough calls when it came to correcting obvious coaching problems with Rob Spence. These problems turned many fans against him and it got him fired. TDP had no choice but to get rid of him before a full scale revolt ensued. It's as simple as that.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Just FYI, most D-1 programs don't get 8-9 wins per year.
Apr 16, 2009, 7:12 PM
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During Bowden's time here, we were in the top 30 of wins in the entire country. At Clemson I fully agree that's not good enough, but I don't think it's accurate to say "most D-1" programs fire coaches for being in the top 25% of 1-A. By the way, I think the record says Bowden approached TDP about stepping down.
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for example, see carolina, south***
Apr 16, 2009, 7:14 PM
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Re: for example, see carolina, south***
Apr 17, 2009, 10:09 AM
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really loser? south carolina? are you ducking kidding me? turn your card in. you suck
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Rock Defender [54]
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Of course. I didn't say that was his average.***
Apr 16, 2009, 7:21 PM
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"wins per year"***
Apr 17, 2009, 12:11 PM
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TB was there 7 yrs too long RR was his sucess @ Tulane.
Apr 16, 2009, 7:24 PM
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He was not a HC or did not have the guts or know how to guide a team with superior talent to a championship.
He did not dicipline the team he was just a nice guy.
You know what they say about nice guys.
He is the only coach in Clemson history that had a complete Offense line return from the prevoius year and did not win a conference championship.
You tell me.
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Re: TB was there 7 yrs too long RR was his sucess @ Tulane.
Apr 16, 2009, 7:31 PM
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how many previous coaches coached in the ACC as it is now compared to how it was back then?
i love how people fawn over RR but let one of his teams score less than 20 points and they are nowhwere to be found.
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Re: I don't understand all the animosity toward TB.
Apr 16, 2009, 7:28 PM
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If only TB could have made his players go to battle for him like some of you f@rts do he would have been a smashing success. Come on. He was one of the worst game day coaches in the ACC during his tenure, leveraged the Ark job he was never offered into a raise, and constantly repeated himself like porky pig to the media. Having him gone is one of the brightest moments for me in the last 15 years of CU atletics.
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Rock Defender [54]
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I'm also glad we moved on, but I'm curious....
Apr 16, 2009, 7:36 PM
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How can you say he was one of the worst gameday coaches in the ACC when he was one of the more winningest coaches in the league and in our entire history? Are you saying virtually every other coach in our history was even worse at "gameday coaching"? When you look at the accomplishments of our program, both relative to our entire history and on a national scale, it makes no sense to say he was one of the worst gameday coaches in the ACC.
I think, clearly, toughness was the biggest downfall of his coaching style.
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Zealot [711]
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Check out his record against good teams. Anytime
Apr 16, 2009, 9:38 PM
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he went up against a team with similar talent and a good coach, he lost the majority of the time. His gameday coaching was below average at best.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Can you please post the record you're talking about?
Apr 17, 2009, 1:56 AM
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And please be sure to include a comparison to other relevant teams.
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Under his watch, the national perception of Clemson football
Apr 16, 2009, 7:54 PM
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became that we are soft. It will take a lot of wins to change that.
I don't feel the same hostility I felt after the '02 Tangerine Bowl, '03 UGA game, the '03 Wake game, the 1-4 start in '04, the 2-3 start in '05, not keeping Meriweather in the '06 USC game, the '07 BC game, or the '08 Alabama game. But there were too many low points in his career for Clemson fans to ever see him a positive light again.
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Aficionado [187]
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how bout that beat down that north carolina
Apr 16, 2009, 10:11 PM
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issued us in 2001. Them 38.... Us....3
we took too many embarrassing blow out losses under bowden. he ran a clean program, but those boys got out "toughed" alot
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You might want to choose a different example, since we beat
Apr 17, 2009, 12:04 AM
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them 52-7 in '06.
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Re: I don't understand all the animosity toward TB.
Apr 16, 2009, 8:01 PM
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NO ACC CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!!Enough said. We demand the crown. With our place and people we should expect nothing less. Dabo dont win fire his #### too. We Are Clemson. Win or go home !!!!
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Re: I don't understand all the animosity toward TB.
Apr 16, 2009, 9:53 PM
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He is the only coach in Clemson history that had a complete Offense line return from the prevoius year and did not win a conference championship.
You tell me.
Of the previous clemson squads that did, most got UCS instead of GT, no FSU, BC, Miami, or VT. Not making excuses for the guy, but it is a lot harder to win an ACC now championship than it was in the 80s or prior.
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I guess you dont know they were in the southern conference
Apr 16, 2009, 10:18 PM
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I think those team were good and that included those teams. You should check it out.
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Orange Blooded [2638]
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I disagree...
Apr 16, 2009, 9:56 PM
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although he helped the program I guarantee he did not dedicate himself 100% to Clemson football. I am thankful for him, I just with we would have parted ways a lot sooner. He peaked the program in 2003. From there it was the blind orange color glasses that continued to let him coach.
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Re: I don't understand all the animosity toward TB.
Apr 16, 2009, 10:14 PM
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agree. What good does it do to hate the man??
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