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Difference between Clemson and USC fans....
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Jul 24, 2011, 2:26 PM
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Spurrier - Wins average of 7.3 games per season
Dabo - Wins average of 7.5 games per season
Spurrier - Loses average of 5.5 games per season
Dabo - Loses average of 6 games per season
Spurrier - 1 Division Title in 6 years
Dabo - 1 Division Title in 2 years
Spurrier - 1 top 25 ranking in 6 years
Dabo - 1 top 25 ranking in 2 years
Spurrier - 8th best APR in the SEC
Dabo - #1 APR in the NATION
Spurrier - Infallible, omniscient god to Gamecock fans
Dabo - On the hot seat
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Re: Difference between Clemson and USC fans....
Jul 24, 2011, 2:33 PM
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and since you aren't using dabo's half year then another stat would be that spurrier is 2-0 against dabo...
I think that is a big reason that they are high on spurrier and some of us are low on dabo...
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Spurrier vs Clemson - 3-3, Dabo vs USC - 1-2
Jul 24, 2011, 2:37 PM
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I guess 3-3 is sort of like a winning record for you guys.
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Re: Spurrier vs Clemson - 3-3, Dabo vs USC - 1-2
Jul 24, 2011, 2:39 PM
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thought this thread was about dabo but i guess your paranoia kinda of dominates your existence...
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Re: Spurrier vs Clemson - 3-3, Dabo vs USC - 1-2
Jul 24, 2011, 2:43 PM
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and your dr.suggested you face your fears head on,i guess.(is that why you are on a tiger board)
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Re: Spurrier vs Clemson - 3-3, Dabo vs USC - 1-2
Jul 24, 2011, 2:44 PM
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so im a coot now right?? bc I didnt kiss dabo's a$$? pathetic
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Re: Difference between Clemson and USC fans....
Jul 24, 2011, 2:35 PM
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this will bring the coots out,everyone get your buttons ready.if your good,can you get 2 with one push?
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Re: Difference between Clemson and USC fans....
Jul 24, 2011, 2:50 PM
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Block me if you want, but I would make the argument that Dabo had a LOT more to work with when he got the job at CU. Look at all the talent that just got drafted from CU. Bowers, Davis, Spiller, Ford, Palmer, Allen, Harper, Ellington, McDaniel, etc etc. That's a ton of talent. Spiller alone is a game changer and can probably be given credit for a few wins.
When Spurrier got to USC, we had guys like Mike Davis and Blake Mitchell running the team. Since Spurrier got here, recruiting has improved and so has our record for the most part. The reason Spurrier is so highly thought of in Cola is because he took us from nothing (6-6 and squeaking out wins over Kentucky, Troy, and Lou. Lafayette) to playing for championships. It took longer that most thought or hoped, but it happened. If Spurrier wasn't showing improvement on the field and in recruiting, he wouldn't be a fan favorite.
I still think Dabo is unproven. He's got loads of talent on his team and had one successful season versus one bad season. Dabo regressed big time from season one to season two and he did it with a very talented team. That's the reason Spurrier is highly thought of versus Dabo being on the hot seat.
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Re: Difference between Clemson and USC fans....
Jul 24, 2011, 2:52 PM
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Before I get blasted, I realize Allen and Ellington are still on the team and weren't drafted.
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USC recruiting classes the three years before Spurrier...
Jul 24, 2011, 2:57 PM
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got to USC...
2002 - 11th
2003 - 8th
2004 - 35th
2005 - 23rd
And hasn't Spurrier had some problems with Vandy (07-08) and Kentucky (2010)?
That argument doesn't really hold water.
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Re: USC recruiting classes the three years before Spurrier...
Jul 24, 2011, 3:06 PM
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I'm not sure where you got those rankings, but the 2003 class had Summers at the top and then Marcus Lawrence, Syvelle Newton, and Blake Mitchell as four stars. After that, we had about 20 three-stars and another half dozen 2 stars.
The 2002 class was ranked highly but few of those guys panned out: Darell Slay and Randy Jackson were 5 stars and so was Ricardo Hurley. They definitely were overrated.
Basically, those classes were either overrated, or Spurrier had to dismiss a a decent number of the highly rated guys (Moe Thompson, Summers, etc.)
Yes, Spurrier lost to Vandy in 07 and 08 and Kentucky last year. We still showed progess as far as our record goes and we played for the conference championship. The East was down but that doesn't mean that we didn't win the conference.
Bottom line is, Spurrier has us playing for championships and we are favorite to win the division again this year. He did it without the kind of talent that Dabo inherited.
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Those rankings are all from Rivals....
Jul 24, 2011, 3:13 PM
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You can look for yourself.
http://rivals.yahoo.com/clemson/football/recruiting/teamrank/2002/all/all
The point is USC was recruiting well and had talent before Spurrier. Saying it was dismissed and doesn't count is no different than saying the current talent you are recruiting will be dismissed so it won't count. You recruited it. There was talent. There is never a guarantee it will pan out.
The reason USC is keeping so many players now is because Spurrier won't dismiss anyone. DUI? Eh, no big deal. Drug charges? Bring him on in - We need a good LB. Been suspended from the team 5 times? Come on back. Demetrius Summers didn't even have 5 chances under Lou.
Its really pretty embarrassing.
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Dabo inherited talent??? He recruited much of the talent
Jul 24, 2011, 6:49 PM
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as an assistant coach.
I won't be replaying too many more times to COOTS. I'm ignoring them as I find them. What a great feature.
14 conference championships = CU
1 conference championship = USUX
Winner of bowl game in 2010 between ACC Atlantic division winner and SEC East division winner: FLORIDA STATE.
Enough said.
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Re: Difference between Clemson and USC fans....
Jul 24, 2011, 3:02 PM
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mtp that is to much logic for tnet fans. Notice I did't include all clemson fans, just those that post ignorant crap like this.
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Re: Difference between Clemson and USC fans....
Jul 24, 2011, 3:29 PM
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Blake Mitchell was an elite 11 QB and Holtz recruited a lot of good talent they all just got kicked off the team. Also Spurrier regressed in his third season going 6-6 and not going to a bowl game.
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Re: Difference between Clemson and USC fans....
Jul 24, 2011, 3:23 PM
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Why do we keep doing the STUPID.1st I watch as we taunt our unseen freshmen as better than usucks whole team. Then some of you put Ellington above Lattimore. Now it is Dabo is a better coach than SOS. I'm sorry but this is just asking for the potential to be thrown back in our face in just 1 maybe 2 short months. Can't we wait until we have a few wins under our belt first. I don't want to be here for the meltdown if things don't work out. We may have to wait a year before things turn our way.
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Did you catch the punchline of the OP 777?
Jul 24, 2011, 3:29 PM
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Dabo on the hot seat? Which he is. Geesh.
Dabo's yet to prove himself on the field adequately to Tiger Nation - that's obvious. He's getting it done off-field, though, and we'll all see what comes next, as it happens.
It was funny, unless it ruffled your feathers.
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Can you show me where I said Dabo was better than...
Jul 24, 2011, 3:35 PM
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Spurrier. That wasn't even the point of the post. It clearly states in the subject line: "The difference between Clemson and USC fans"
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Re: Difference between Clemson and USC fans....
Jul 24, 2011, 4:21 PM
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Stats don't lie!
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says it all. ***
Jul 24, 2011, 5:10 PM
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Go TIGERS!
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Re: Difference between Clemson and USC fans....
Jul 24, 2011, 6:18 PM
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Don't forget Spurrier 0 losing seasons in 6 years while Dabo has 1 in 2. The big difference between Spurrier and Dabo is that Spurrier is coming off of winning the East while Dabo is coming off a losing season, the 1st since the late 90s, and 2 straight loses that weren't even close to us. Also people outside of the state see USC returning to Atlanta with 8-10 wins while they see Clemson being a 6-7 win team.
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Re: Difference between Clemson and USC fans....
Jul 24, 2011, 6:20 PM
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southern cal is coming to atlanta?when?
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Re: Difference between Clemson and USC fans....
Jul 24, 2011, 6:21 PM
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I'm not saying Clemson fans believe it. Neutral fans do however. Most have us winning the East and then getting beaten soundly in the SEC Championship.
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Re: Difference between Clemson and USC fans....
Jul 24, 2011, 8:07 PM
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Sounds like you take a lot of stock in what everyone else is saying. I say wait til november and we'll see who has the better team!
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Well-played, sir. This post pretty much sums up the
Jul 25, 2011, 2:49 PM
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difference between demanding excellence and settling for mediocrity (the defining characteristics of these two institutions for at least fifty years).
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Your comparison is based on
Jul 25, 2011, 3:01 PM
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The fact that the ACC and the SEC are about the same. Do you really think Dabo would have done as well in a real confrence? We won a division title in the worse joke of a conference that year. The SEC has won 4 times as many NCs as the ACC has won BCS bowls. You can't compare these two confrences. I don't like the SEC, but facts are facts, they are by far the most dominate confrence over the last five years. The ACC, which I love, is near the bottem. Heck last year our Champion lost to James Patterson.
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Which was better last year? The ACC-Atlantic or SEC-East?
Jul 25, 2011, 3:20 PM
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Simple question.
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Re: Which was better last year? The ACC-Atlantic or SEC-East?
Jul 25, 2011, 3:34 PM
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SEC East
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Clearly The ACC-Atlantic
Jul 25, 2011, 3:37 PM
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The ACC Atlantic champ whooped the SEC east champ handily on a neutral field
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Re: Clearly The ACC-Atlantic
Jul 25, 2011, 3:55 PM
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It's funny how 26-17 is a whooping, but 29-7 is never considered a blow out on Tnet. Oh yeah, and USC was missing their best player for most of that game, but just ignore that too.
If the Atlantic was better than the East last year, the SEC east was certainly better than the Atlantic when Clemson won in 09. USC finished 4th in the East and beat Clemson by 17, Not to mention Georgia beating GT before the championship game too.
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I don't think anyone would argue that. But the point is...
Jul 25, 2011, 4:05 PM
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The SEC-East wasn't as good as the Atlantic last year? What does 09 have to do with anything?
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And that my friend sums up why coots are considered...
Jul 25, 2011, 3:44 PM
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ignorant and delusional.
Not only did the ACC-Atlantic champs beat the top two teams in the SEC=East but only two teams in the SEC-East finished with winning records. On top of that 3 teams from the ACC-Atlantic finished in the top 25 and had a better record than the SEC-East champ.
There's no comparison.
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There is simply no way the ACC anything is better than the
Jul 25, 2011, 3:48 PM
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SEC anyhting in football. Hoops, different story.
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Clearly you flunked grammar and typing at USuC***
Jul 25, 2011, 3:54 PM
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Re: Difference between Clemson and USC fans....
Jul 25, 2011, 4:03 PM
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It is down right laughable when Clemson people start comparing anything related to football between the ACC and the SEC. It shows either a) an overall lack of knowlege of college football or b) an unbridled bias for everything Clemson. Take your pick.
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You guys really believe this stuff don't you?
Jul 25, 2011, 4:08 PM
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Excuse me for being surprised. Its just that I had forgotten how absolutely deluded the USeC fan base is.
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