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Rush Limbaugh subject. No flaming, just explain yourselves
Feb 6, 2005, 11:02 PM
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Everyone keeps giving me the thumbs down for saying that Rush is right in the fact that Mcnabb is overrated based somewhat on how he played today. I know he threw for 350 yards or so, but in almost every 3rd down situation or in the red zone, he could do next to nothing. I, for one, think that Mcnabb is somewhat overrated, and it has nothing to do with race, so please don't tell me i'm racist. I base my opinion solely on his play in big games.
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so peyton manning and dan marino are overrated right
Feb 6, 2005, 11:04 PM
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heck lets throw in fran tarkenton and jim kelly overrated right
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Somewhat good point, but Peyton's lack of a defense is his
Feb 6, 2005, 11:05 PM
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problem IMO. The rest of them all had similar problems. Notice how Brady and Mcnabb both have top 5 defenses.
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the eagles have problems stopping the run if you are
Feb 6, 2005, 11:08 PM
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going to be down with what you are saying be down all the way with it. Don't say mcnabb is overrated then making excuse for manning and company that is the reason you are getting a thumbs down on these posts
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Since the defense is good, he shouldn't have to put up huge
Feb 6, 2005, 11:09 PM
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numbers to win the game, if he throws for half the yards and no interceptions, the eagles win that game.
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you are just a mcnabb hater that's all good grief i bet you
Feb 6, 2005, 11:12 PM
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wish you had him at clemson. So i guess charlie whitehurst is overrated too. Go head give me a reason why he can't get the job done since you like to point fingers at quarterbacks
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I don't hate QB's. I love Charlie and lots of others.
Feb 6, 2005, 11:15 PM
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The only point of this post is to prove that Mcnabb isn't as good as everyone makes him out to be. He's not bad, he's just not GREAT, i don't understand how this makes me 'hate' him.
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because you do***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:16 PM
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Great response***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:17 PM
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Actually, the Eagles defense has been one of the best in the
Feb 7, 2005, 7:59 AM
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NFL for four years now. It was their defense that got them to those three NFC title games and this year, their offense finally stepped it up and got them the victory (Eagles D didn't look too bad against the run vs. Atlanta or the Patriots). McNabb is a very gifted quarterback, but there are some things he has problems with. One glaring deficiency from last night was his management of the clock in the late stages of the game. His accuracy was also off on a lot of throws, and he didn't perform well on third down situations much of the night. Remember, this was only his 6th season (I believe he was drafted in 1999), so he has and will probably continue to get better.
He does need to work on his postgame quotes. Who was he trying to kid talking about nobody picked them to go to the Super Bowl at the beginning of the season? All we heard from the beginning of preseason on was how it would be the Eagles and the Patriots in the Super Bowl. I wish he wouldn't have tried to change the facts to make himself feel better about losing the game. It won't help.
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Watch this years and last years games vs NE
Feb 7, 2005, 9:20 AM
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Manning choked in both. Colts Defense had nothing to do with that. You can rag McNabb all you want, but hes put Philly in the NFC title game 4 times, where Manning has had his in the AFC title game only once.
Also, look what Manning has on offense. Marvin Harrison, and Edgerrin James are perrinnial pro bowlers and future hall-of-fame players. Reggie Wanye is a first round draft pick and an emerging star.
McNabb, until this year, had no talent at WR and had Brian Westbrook who is a very good change of pace back, but not a stud RB.
Yeah, I'd take Philly's D over Indys, but McNabb (except for last year) has put up very good QB numbers and is a consistent winner.
I'm not going to argue that he had a bad game last night. I think he probably did cost his team the game, however the two TD's he threw were absolutely perfect passes. Hes not an over-rated QB. When you talk about the top QB's in the league his name has to be one of them.
However if you are going to label McNabb a choker and try to take the Rush Limbaugh stance that he's over-rated, than you've got to paint Manning with the same brush. From a team goal standpoint, Manning hasn't accomplished half what McNabb has in his career and in my mind there is no way you can denegrate one and glorify the other.
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Re: Somewhat good point, but Peyton's lack of a defense is his
Feb 7, 2005, 9:22 AM
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Manning choked in both. Colts Defense had nothing to do with that. You can rag McNabb all you want, but hes put Philly in the NFC title game 4 times, where Manning has had his in the AFC title game only once.
Also, look what Manning has on offense. Marvin Harrison, and Edgerrin James are perrinnial pro bowlers and future hall-of-fame players. Reggie Wanye is a first round draft pick and an emerging star.
McNabb, until this year, had no talent at WR and had Brian Westbrook who is a very good change of pace back, but not a stud RB.
Yeah, I'd take Philly's D over Indys, but McNabb (except for last year) has put up very good QB numbers and is a consistent winner.
I'm not going to argue that he had a bad game last night. I think he probably did cost his team the game, however the two TD's he threw were absolutely perfect passes. Hes not an over-rated QB. When you talk about the top QB's in the league his name has to be one of them.
However if you are going to label McNabb a choker and try to take the Rush Limbaugh stance that he's over-rated, than you've got to paint Manning with the same brush. From a team goal standpoint, Manning hasn't accomplished half what McNabb has in his career and in my mind there is no way you can denegrate one and glorify the other.
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yeah, Archie, Peyton, and Eli are all NFL QB's and they are
Feb 6, 2005, 11:19 PM
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all chokers. You are a complete and utter idiot!
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I wish I was a "choker."......
Feb 6, 2005, 11:49 PM
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I'd take MVP's, millions of dollars, NFL records, and leading my team (which has a poor defense) to the playoffs every year. Manning even had decent stats against the Patriots, even though his receivers kept dropping passes and fumbling. Manning has simply never lost a game for his team.
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I agree***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:58 PM
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Re: I wish I was a "choker."......
Feb 6, 2005, 11:59 PM
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Heyyyy, someone intelligent taking part in this thread.
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Careful how loud you say that around here. I'm a coot!***
Feb 7, 2005, 12:23 AM
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Maybe because you don't know what...
Feb 6, 2005, 11:05 PM
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the hell you're talking about just like Rush?
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Explain...***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:06 PM
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Re: Explain...***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:12 PM
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4 straight NFC Championship games, 1 Super Bowl, numerous Pro Bowls, great stats, class-act guy, marketable and more to come. What more do you want? Why bash him? I wouldn't want anybody else leading my team.
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Feb 6, 2005, 11:14 PM
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4 NFC championship games, 3 bad, 1 mediocre, 1 super bowl, half great, half awful, the pro bowl issue could be argued...And i'm not bashing him. I'm not saying hes awful, but everybody acts like hes one of the top 2 QB's in the leauge. I, for one would take at least 7 or 8 other QB's over him.
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like who?***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:15 PM
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Delhomme, Brees, Manning, Culpepper, Hasselbeck, Green***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:17 PM
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I think you just pretty much discredited yourself right...
Feb 6, 2005, 11:18 PM
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there.
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Now explain that one...***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:21 PM
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No you explain...
Feb 6, 2005, 11:24 PM
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Where are those guys right now? What have they done?
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Brees wouldve won MVP if not for Peyton, Delhomme.....
Feb 6, 2005, 11:26 PM
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Delhomme is one of the best, if not the best 2 minute drill QB in the league, he had 5 game tying or winning drives in the final 2 minutes of 2003, and won 7 games in 2004 with 15 starters on the IR. He as a first year starter got his team to the suberbowl and had a great game.
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he's a choker he choked just like brees***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:27 PM
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Did i mention hall of fame? Hes a second year starter***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:30 PM
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Re: Delhomme, Brees, Manning, Culpepper, Hasselbeck, Green**
Feb 6, 2005, 11:23 PM
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all are chokers can win the big game just like mcnabb right?
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HAHAHA Delhomme is a choker? I can't wait to hear this one***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:24 PM
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what has he won ? nothing no superbowl so he is overrated?
Feb 6, 2005, 11:25 PM
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right?
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He won big games. i.e divisional playoff vs. St. Louis, NFC
Feb 6, 2005, 11:28 PM
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championship vs Eagles, i know he lost the super bowl, but he had a good game nonetheless. Hes only been a starter for 2 years and he went to the super bowl in the first one and brought a 1-7 team outta the gutter to win 6 more games with no running back and without his main WR. What complaint could you POSSIBLY have about him?
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the same complaint you have about mcnabb. Right?***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:29 PM
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Anyone that would take those guys over McNabb...............
Feb 6, 2005, 11:26 PM
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doesn't know anything about football. If we could ask any GM in the NFL they would laugh at the thought of taking Hasselback or Green over McNabb. Culpepper is good but he is no McNabb. If you think McNabb chokes, how can you say Culpepper?
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Its an opinion, I would take lots of QB's over Mcnabb
Feb 6, 2005, 11:35 PM
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He gets excited and sails it like Roethlisberger did against the Pats.
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i guess you would take jake plummer and kyle boeller too?
Feb 6, 2005, 11:37 PM
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over mcnabb. Eh? But then again you are just a small minority
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I'll say that I'd take Eli Manning if you'd like me to***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:39 PM
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i will say you are on crack. He is a double choker***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:40 PM
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I know, it was sarcasm, couldn't pay me to take Eli***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:43 PM
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Marketable? Just what I wanted in my QB!***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:52 PM
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Great!!!***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:53 PM
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What is "overrated"? Who's rate is the one that matters?
Feb 6, 2005, 11:12 PM
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Sorry, I have never quite understood that term.
It is almost as bad as the "overrated" chants that fans make when their team upsets a higher ranked opponent - don't teams want to strive to achieve to be as good as their opponent instead of have the opponent come down to their level?
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It's hard for any Clemson fan to call McNabb overrated.
Feb 6, 2005, 11:18 PM
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He really destroyed us in the Gator Bowl.
I see what you are saying but the fact is he lead the Eagles to the Super Bowl and they lost by 3 to a great football team. They had a great year, they were 13-1 in the regular season with him with the only loss being to Pittsburgh (They did lose 20-7 to the rams when he started but he played 1 possession was 3-3 with a td).
So with McNabb there the eages were 15-2 this year, Super Bowl runnerups. And only losses were to the Steelers and Pats.
McNabb had a great year. I do not believe he is overrated because he hasn't won the big games in the past few years. Jim Kelly was a good QB that struggled. John Elway struggled in his first few Super Bowls (McNabb is not on that level for sure though).
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My ONLY point is that he isn't a top 3 in the league QB
Feb 6, 2005, 11:20 PM
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I don't see why everybody is freakin out. I in no way said that he wasn't a good QB. Everyone is putting words in my mouth.
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Who said he was in the top 3?
Feb 6, 2005, 11:27 PM
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I don't recall you mentioning that in your original post.
I think you have to put him in the same category as the top qb's though.
Manning and Brady at the top.
Then I see McNabb right there with the others.
Drew Brees has had 1 great year.
Culpepper is a solid QB.
Pennington is decent.
Delhomme is decent.
Green is decent.
Hasselback is off and on.
I would take McNabb over the other guys. They didn't lead their team as far as McNabb has over the past 4-5 years.
I would probably put McNabb
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Yall better think he is top 3 defending him like this....
Feb 6, 2005, 11:30 PM
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Thats a number i came up with based on how everyone talks about him.
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Well you're changing your point
Feb 6, 2005, 11:33 PM
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In your original post there was no mention of what McNabb is ranked. You were saying he was overrated.
I replied to that post. I never mentioned him being in the top 3.
But then you said All I'm saying is he's not in the top 3.
Sounds like your putting words in our mouths.
But you are entitled to your own opinion. We're entitled to ours. We just agree with probably a vast majority of football fans.
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I didn't say Top 3, but would you not put him there????***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:36 PM
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look a couple of posts earlier.."My only point ....Top 3....***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:43 PM
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I meant i didn't say it in the original post***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:44 PM
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Oh...didn't see the original...just saw this ......***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:50 PM
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I may get flammed, I may not..........
Feb 6, 2005, 11:41 PM
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I don't see how anyone can put Peyton Manning above Donovan McNabb. I agree with Brady, but to put PM above DM is just wrong. Donovan has lead his team to the Super Bowl. I don't see how anyone could say what Peyton has done in the play-offs, is better than what McNabb has done with his team. I believe a SB trip is "better" than Manning's play-off career.
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haha, im not gonna cuz i don't like it, but i disagree***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:42 PM
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Manning over Mcnabb..... Wow....***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:47 PM
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manning is a choker no excuses outside of TO the eagles
Feb 6, 2005, 11:49 PM
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receivers are just average can't have it both ways buddy
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So you're telling me...
Feb 6, 2005, 11:50 PM
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You don't think if Manning had even an average defense, that he wouldn't take the Colts to a Super Bowl???
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now you are trying to play the team game when i point out
Feb 6, 2005, 11:52 PM
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deficiencies in the eagles team you want to ignore them but make excuses for manning team. I see where you are coming from
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You just did the exact same thing***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:54 PM
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i keep everything constant if mcnabb is overrated then so
Feb 7, 2005, 12:00 AM
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is manning delhomme and everybody else who has not won a superbowl or failed in the nfc or afc championship game
Yet you want to make excuses for everybody except mcnabb
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Almost positive i explained this.
Feb 7, 2005, 12:01 AM
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Delhomme won all the playoff games except the superbowl, where he also had a good game and his defense momentarily let him down. And its just a joke to tell me that Manning is overrated. He is far and away the best QB in the league.
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but he choked against the patriots just like mcnabb right?***
Feb 7, 2005, 12:03 AM
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3 straight losses in NFC Chamionship, at HOME????***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:49 PM
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if i am right they did not play the rams at home on the road
Feb 6, 2005, 11:51 PM
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and its a team effort you are putting everything on mcnabb
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For the last time, MCNABB IS NOT A BAD QB!
Feb 6, 2005, 11:52 PM
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I just said that he is overrated.
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Again Again, i don't want him to do it by himself...
Feb 6, 2005, 11:56 PM
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Hes not a bad QB, he just overrated! IMO! I can have those here right?
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Re: Rush Limbaugh subject. No flaming, just explain yourselves
Feb 6, 2005, 11:53 PM
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Hi Tiger fans,
To say Rush is racist is to be ignorant of some of his friends. His program observer and former call screener Mr.Snerdley is a black man. Also, the brilliant free market black economist Dr. Walter Williams hosts his show on Friday when Rush is on vacation. His legal counsel is Jewish and I think his current girlfriend is Jewish. He also is friends with many famous black people including Charles Barkely, Tiger Woods, and Clarence Thomas. He is supporting Condi Rice for president in 2008. I am not sure how you can objectively say he is a racist given all of that. He basically said that McNabb was overated at the time , and he gave a valid social observation to explain why. After all, liberals do believe in social promotion based on race. Rush was basically saying that liberal sportwriters want McNabb to win the superbowl because it would break down some sort of social barrier that black QBs can not win it. Of course, that barrier is all in liberals minds.
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Hi...
Feb 6, 2005, 11:56 PM
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Guess you like Rush, huh?
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Point was he's not racist if he has black friends***
Feb 6, 2005, 11:59 PM
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yeah right***
Feb 7, 2005, 12:01 AM
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I know lots of racists that surround themselves with minorit
Feb 7, 2005, 12:03 AM
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Those minorities must feel priviledged! I'm not going any..
Feb 7, 2005, 12:05 AM
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farther with this.
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Yeah, this horse has been beat long enough***
Feb 7, 2005, 12:05 AM
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If everyone would go back and read the original post....
Feb 7, 2005, 12:04 AM
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nowhere does it say that Mcnabb is a bad QB, just that he is not nearly as good as people like to make him out to be IMO!
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Re: If everyone would go back and read the original post....
Feb 7, 2005, 6:49 AM
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Limbaugh was wrong because:
1) The previous year McNabb was a Pro Bowl quarterback voted by the players not the media, so it was not a media hype the players have that much respect for him.
2) If the media wanted to promote a black quarterback, why not Steve McNair. He had been playing longer than McNabb and playing well. Does anyone think McNair has been ovehyped?
3) When does the media get together and decide they need to hype a black quarterback. That kind of B.S. works when your audience is a bunch of "dittoheads", but when your have an audience that thinks that just doesn't make sense.
4) Finally, I believe the Eagles were undefeated at the time. Like in any sport, the quarterback gets much of the credit when a team is doing well and the blame when they don't. the hype around McNabb was a function of a team playing well.
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Rush Limbaugh is a buffoon!
Feb 7, 2005, 1:41 AM
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Rush said that the media made McNabb a good quarterback because he is black and they felt the need to pump him up so that the NFL would have a representative black quarterback. McNabb handled it with class, just kind of ignored it. All he did was take his team to the Superbowl this year and the NFL championship game the last 3 years. What a joke of a statement that was. Did he ever apologize or admit he was wrong for saying that. I doubt it, too arrogant. YOU WERE WRONG RUSH! I guess it was the painkillers that made him say it.
I heard him say on the day before the 1992 election, "I don't know how Clinton will be elected, I don't know anyone who is going to vote for him". Of course not idiot, because all you run around with are other Nazis. This guy makes many inaccurate statements.
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rush is the man!***
Feb 7, 2005, 5:48 AM
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Mont that don't like Rush brag that they never listen -
Feb 7, 2005, 9:37 AM
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and then they think they are open-minded.
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Re: Mont that don't like Rush brag that they never listen -
Feb 7, 2005, 9:41 AM
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"Mont = Most" Sorry.***
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