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Hall of Famer [21877]
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Leggett by the numbers.
Jun 3, 2014, 12:27 PM
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Wins per Year(thanks winloseortie)
1994-1998 49.2. wins per year
1999-2002 47.0 wins per year
2003-2006 44.5 wins per year
2007-2010 40.25 wins per year
2011-2014 38.5 wins per year
Win %
1994-1998 – 246 – 88 (73.6%)
1999-2002 – 188 – 84 (69.1%)
2003-2006 – 174 – 87 (66.7%)
2007-2010 – 161 – 97 (62.4%)
2011-2014 – 154 – 95 (61.8%)
Conference Win %:
1994-1998 – 84-34 (71.2%)
1999-2002 – 63-32 (66.3%)
2003-2006 – 74-34 (68.5%)
2007-2010 – 66-53-1 (55.5%) didn’t include tie
2011-2014 – 66-53 (55.5%)
Accomplishments:
1994-1998 - ACC coach of Year 2x, 2x conference tourney champ, 1 time conference regular season champ, 2 CWS appearances, 3 NCAA regional appearances
1999-2002 - 2 CWS appearances, 2 Super Regionals
2003-2006 - 1 time conference regualar season champ, 1 time conference tourney champ, 2 NCAA regionals, 1 Super Regional, 1 CWS appearance.
2007-2010 - 1 division champ., 2 super regionals, 1 CWS.
2011-2014 - 4 regionals.
Further breakdown by Greer1:
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Hall of Famer [21877]
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Thanks for the TD....Ridiculous***
Jun 3, 2014, 12:33 PM
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Obviously some people just hate looking at the plain raw
Jun 3, 2014, 12:35 PM
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stats....
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Hall of Famer [21877]
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That's apparent...Can't fix stupid.
Jun 3, 2014, 12:36 PM
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I wanted to post a factual representation of our time under Jack and that's exactly what I did.
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Lol you didn't even state an opinion about it one way or
Jun 3, 2014, 12:39 PM
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another.
Honestly I found that someone was so ticked off at this that they TD'd you about it
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CU Medallion [68086]
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Re: so he'll probably get TD's
Jun 3, 2014, 12:53 PM
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from both sides of the debate knowing these lunkheads
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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HEY!! I resemble that remark
Jun 3, 2014, 1:02 PM
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Legend [17631]
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Re: There. I offset it.
Jun 3, 2014, 7:29 PM
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Me too.
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All-In [28802]
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One thing you can say about the ACC win %
Jun 3, 2014, 12:38 PM
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is that the ACC has gotten much better as a baseball conference since UVa decided they cared about baseball, Miami was added to the conference, and even teams like WF, Maryland, Duke, and VT have had a few good years. Meanwhile, baseball in the state of SC as a whole has become pretty superlative. That doesn't excuse Clemson from rising with the rest, but you'd have a pretty hard time arguing that things didn't become more difficult for Clemson in the last 10 years.
Probably the worst thing you could say about Leggett is that he hasn't changed as quickly as the game has changed. His struggles have largely come after the advent of the dead bat and ball, while other teams seem to have figured things out a little more easily. It wasn't all that long ago that we had 5'10" second basemen who were hitting 3 HRs in a game, a couple of players had .400 averages, and nearly everybody was hitting over .300. Now I think nobody on the team hit more than 6 or 7 HRs in the season, while only 3 or 4 guys even hit over .300.
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CU Medallion [68086]
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Re: One thing you can say about the ACC win %- I wish CU
Jun 3, 2014, 12:40 PM
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would decide it cared about baseball. Pretty clear it does not
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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If Clemson does NOT care about baseball, then why are
Jun 3, 2014, 1:48 PM
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the baseball facilities in a constant upgrade mode?
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CU Medallion [68086]
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Re: If Clemson does NOT care about baseball, then why are
Jun 3, 2014, 2:22 PM
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because we didnt do anything to the for years. now we are in damage control mode trying to catch up
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And that's exactly the way it feels.***
Jun 3, 2014, 12:38 PM
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You have some nerve...
Jun 3, 2014, 12:40 PM
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trying to insert objective fact and statistics into this debate is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.
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CU Guru [1560]
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Can you do similarly for UCS and FSU and another top team?
Jun 3, 2014, 12:50 PM
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It would be interesting to see how much of the drop is due to parity vs. the program being on a downward slope.
You could also look at the total wins of the top teams for each year...if the average win % of teams at the CWS in 94 was .700 but trended down to .630 by last year it would give a better perspective on Clemson's numbers.
Just a thought for solidifying your argument.
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I might do that.***
Jun 3, 2014, 12:51 PM
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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That actaully would be interesting to compare***
Jun 3, 2014, 1:02 PM
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CU Medallion [64621]
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The data pretty much speaks for itself***
Jun 3, 2014, 1:01 PM
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CU Medallion [58534]
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And demonstrates exactly why, in spite of all of Jack's
Jun 3, 2014, 1:19 PM
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achievements which are admittedly valid and which are routinely quoted by his most ardent supporters, it feels like we are worse than we once were and that the program has declined. Because we are and it has. The direction and consistency of the trend is undeniable.
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CU Medallion [64621]
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I think Bill Parcells said it best when he said....
Jun 3, 2014, 1:26 PM
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"you are what your record says you are".
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We need more fax
Jun 3, 2014, 1:01 PM
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Orange Blooded [2533]
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Graphing 101
Jun 3, 2014, 1:28 PM
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This is a humorous graph "extrapolation" that'll surely get you thrown out of any marketing class.
I'd hate for my "worth" and my life to be represented in this way, on a lot of fronts.
Send this to Colbert or Stewart for their shows.
Heck, you could graph the weather changes this way and get no closer to the truth for the next day or week.
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Can you graph....
Jun 3, 2014, 3:30 PM
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our embarrassment experienced by being owned by our rivals and being unable to advance in the tourney? As for history, I don't drive by looking in my rear view mirror.
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Re: Leggett by the numbers.
Jun 3, 2014, 1:42 PM
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Here's a challenge for you. Find me one - just one - program where you start with a win percentage greater than .750 and can draw me an upward trajectory over a 20 year period. Just one. I'll wait.
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CU Medallion [64621]
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I don't think anyone expected him to maintain....
Jun 3, 2014, 2:06 PM
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a .750 winnng percentage but the consistent downward trend over the last few years is undeniable even for the most staunch or resolute Leggett supporters.
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True, but Clemson should average more than 40 wins
Jun 3, 2014, 2:22 PM
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I don't think we should be so concerned about going from an average of around 50 wins to an average of around 40 wins before 2011. The problem has been the last three years, when we've dipped under 40 wins. That's not Clemson Baseball.
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We used to have a salesman that always said,
Jun 3, 2014, 2:24 PM
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"I'm no worse than my competition".
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Hall of Famer [21877]
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I feel pretty confident there aren't any...
Jun 3, 2014, 2:37 PM
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However, the downward trend which is continuing shows me that it isn't getting better, only worse. Even the accomplishments map that out with ease.
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110%er [6222]
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Great stuff...
Jun 3, 2014, 2:44 PM
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Hopefully you sent that to D-Rad.
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Wow, pretty telling.***
Jun 3, 2014, 2:22 PM
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I think I see a trend there.***
Jun 3, 2014, 2:46 PM
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Tell you what I see out of that graph
Jun 3, 2014, 3:01 PM
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a "program" that his highly dependent on a single recruiting class. I see 3 to 4 year bumps followed by 2 to 3 year gaps then another bump (albeit slightly lower than the previous). That graph really shows the "eras" under Jack. You have the Benson/Koch/Vinings era, the LeCroy era, the Green/Baker/Johnson era, the Harbin/Chalk/Wideman era.
There isn't the consistency and they certainly aren't replacing the talent.
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pretty obviuos he was living off of Wilhelm's success
Jun 3, 2014, 3:03 PM
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which we all knew from the get go (or at least some did).
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Remember Jack was Wilhelm's #1 asst his last 2 seasons,
Jun 3, 2014, 3:24 PM
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was the main recruiter, and he was Bill's handpicked successor. Need to be a little fair here.
That being said the last 4 years have been very disappointing.....
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Re: Remember Jack was Wilhelm's #1 asst his last 2 seasons,
Jun 3, 2014, 3:27 PM
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so correct mile. the idiots on here have no clue that leggett recruited the players that got them to 2 world series right after he took over. correct on the last 4. changes need and better be made.
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Now his arrows point to me....HTH that helps***
Jun 3, 2014, 4:18 PM
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Re: so what changes need to be made?
Jun 3, 2014, 4:32 PM
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you seem to be pro Jack which is ok if so. I think the program needs something but admit I'm not sure what that is. Do you have something you see that needs to be done specifically? New pitching coach maybe
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Apparently 2 people are angry about facts***
Jun 3, 2014, 4:10 PM
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Re: ^^^ dumb post of the day ^^^***
Jun 3, 2014, 4:13 PM
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please explain to me one word of my post that is wrong.
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Uh...his response is to Exiled2...***
Jun 3, 2014, 4:15 PM
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Re: Uh...his response is to Exiled2...***
Jun 3, 2014, 4:17 PM
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lol, the arrows were pointing right at me. guess i aint up on the fancy new internet symbols
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Re: ^^^ dumb post of the day ^^^***
Jun 3, 2014, 6:35 PM
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ok - further removed from Wilhelm = less success. Guess its a coincidence?
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Re: Leggett by the numbers.
Jun 3, 2014, 3:12 PM
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no one can argue with that!! the trend IS DOWN!!!!!!! and it will continue until he is gone..on top of all the other problems(baserunning, fielding,hitting,pitching,just plain fundermentals) recruiting is doing the same thing;DOWN!!
we seem to recruit some outstanding guys every year but only 2-3 when we should recruit 5-7 per year!HUGE PROBLEM
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Re: Leggett by the numbers.
Jun 3, 2014, 3:33 PM
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You showed this to Radakovich yet? I'm sure he's unaware. I wonder if he knows about the overwhelming fan support from tigernet to have Clemson's baseball coach fired. I feel sure if he did a move would have been made by now
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Re: Leggett by the numbers.
Jun 3, 2014, 7:27 PM
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They dont want to see facts. They pull more for Jack than Clemson.
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Solution!
Jun 4, 2014, 9:10 AM
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I picked up my laptop and rotated it 90 degrees counterclockwise. Winning percentage graph not so depressing then. :/
Oh, and Jack supporters, please stop calling WCCP. Your "logic" is giving me a headache. The facts can't be ignored.
~JKB
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Re: Leggett by the numbers.
Jun 4, 2014, 6:23 PM
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OMG, please don't let the Leggett pumpers see this. We could be getting that enjoy your vacation T-Mail from Crump
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Proofs in the pudding. Fellows, there are your facts***
Jun 5, 2014, 8:18 AM
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