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110%er [6492]
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Clemson needed to hire a real coach.
Nov 16, 2010, 5:19 PM
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Instead, what did we do? After the previous guy left, we promoted some young assistant who played at Alabama. There was no national search for a coach. We just wanted to get one on the cheap. Sure, maybe his first full season he did alright, he had some good wins, but ###### he still lost to South Carolina. And of course his second season didn't go well at all. We had a losing record in a weak conference.
But then came his 3rd season...
Oh wait, you thought I was talking about Dabo Swinney?
I'm actually talking about Danny Ford
The lesson then is one of patience. Patience is something we're not as familiar with in this age of instant gratification. Clemson could have easily fired an unproven head coach back in 1980 who just came off a 2-4 conference record. But then, what would we have to hang our hat on today?
Give this guy a chance. I'm still all in and you can call that whatever you want. As long as they're wearing orange and white, Coach Swinney and his staff have my support.
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and his forth, and fith and .....
Nov 16, 2010, 5:20 PM
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it's gonna be a nightmare...
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110%er [6492]
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forth and fith?
Nov 16, 2010, 5:21 PM
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Wow.
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110%er [7148]
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Sorry about the spelling but my wife...
Nov 16, 2010, 5:24 PM
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was yelling at me....anybody got a drink, whew, that really was unbelievable....even for me.
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Orange Blooded [3637]
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telling a fanbase that has been as...
Nov 16, 2010, 5:20 PM
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faithful in giving and attending as Clemson that they need to be more patient after some 20 years and no titles?
Yeah, that rings pretty hollow.
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110%er [6492]
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20 years? Imagine what it's like to be a gamecock fan.***
Nov 16, 2010, 5:22 PM
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Orange Blooded [3637]
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No
Nov 16, 2010, 5:22 PM
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following Clemson football is punishment enough.
I'll not put myself through THAT!
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Historian [3380]
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Wouldn't benefit you that much either way, unless . . .
Nov 16, 2010, 5:25 PM
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you are Silver Spur or higher you can't get tickets to the SEC Championship game anyway through the university - g&b
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Orange Blooded [3637]
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You know...
Nov 16, 2010, 5:27 PM
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I just could never reconcile myself to being a grown man, walking around talking about how much I love the ####.
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Historian [3380]
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I agree with you, . . .
Nov 16, 2010, 5:33 PM
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but I don't know of anyone that does that, understanding of course, that you may be thinking about something most of us other grown men do not, and so, in this day and age, if you are inclined to think a certain way, some folks will not frown on you like they may have in the past, figuring it is not your fault, you can't help that you relate everything you see to that - g&b
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Re: No
Nov 16, 2010, 8:47 PM
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I'm glad I wasn't taking a sip of tea! How true, how true!
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but todays college game is...
Nov 16, 2010, 5:27 PM
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all about wins and loses and MONEY the university makes.kids want to play for winners,for tv,spotlight,education is secondary.right now we are not that program.
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Yeah, because in 1980, college football was all about
Nov 16, 2010, 6:53 PM
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education. Wins and losses had nothing to do with it.
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Speaking of a national coaching search...
Nov 16, 2010, 5:28 PM
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I remember when Jim Phillips dies back in '03. Just before the MTSU game IIRC. Sad day.
Anyway, after his passing I distinctly remember TDP saying that he was going on a national search for his replacement, and in the meantime Pete Yannity would serve as interim. Guess what happened?
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Yes - and the same bunch that is screaming for Dabo's
Nov 16, 2010, 5:31 PM
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head now would have been screaming for Danny's back in the day. If they'd had their way then the golden age of Clemson football would probably never have happened.
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Re: Yes - and the same bunch that is screaming for Dabo's
Nov 16, 2010, 5:33 PM
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You better think twice before you try to compare Danny to Dabo...I still like Dabo personally, but football wise?????
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First, I'm not comparing Dabo to Danny (football-wise).
Nov 16, 2010, 5:47 PM
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I'm comparing Danny's situation in his second full year to Dabo's situation in his second full year.
Just like with Dabo, Danny, a young, inexperienced coach had a rough time in his second season; a clear step backward from the previous year. People used the same reasons for wanting Danny fired as Dabo. "He's in over his head", etc. etc.. The people who didn't like Ford felt it was clear as could be that he was the wrong guy and would never amount to anything; they felt that 2 seasons was enough to make that determination. It wasn't. It wasn't then, and it's not now.
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Re: First, I'm not comparing Dabo to Danny (football-wise).
Nov 16, 2010, 5:52 PM
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And again, if you want to play the Danny card you have to play the entire card. So, since you people love comparing the two to justify Swinney's unjustifiable hire, it stands to reason that Swinney's expectation in your mind is that he must win the BCS title next season.
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See below - you're wrong.***
Nov 16, 2010, 6:00 PM
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Re: Clemson needed to hire a real coach.
Nov 16, 2010, 5:31 PM
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Okay, let's do the whole, tired Danny/Dabo comparison for the millionth time. Given that, here's Swinney's expectation for next season: win the BCS title. Fair enough?
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No.***
Nov 16, 2010, 5:33 PM
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Re: No.***
Nov 16, 2010, 5:36 PM
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Why not? You're the people who always play the Danny card every time Swinney screws up in ways that does not justify his presence at Clemson. You use Danny as a measuring stick but yet you're not going to hold Swinney to the same year-3 standard?
Duplicitous.
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You misunderstand the comparison.
Nov 16, 2010, 6:00 PM
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Nobody, and I challenge you to find it, nobody has said that Dabo is the next Danny, or that since Danny turned out to be a great coach, then it follows that Dabo will be a great coach. So, there is no holding Dabo to the Danny standard.
The purpose of the comparison is simply to show that if the same reasoning that is being used by the "fire Dabo" crowd had been used in 1980, then Danny Ford would have been fired. So, we can see (I hope you can) that that may be faulty reasoning.
"He doesn't have enough experience", "He's clearly in over his head", "This year proves it", "No point in prolonging the inevitable . . . fir him now and stop the bleeding", etc. etc. . . .
The point is, our own history has shown us that those arguments can be wrong, dangerously wrong, and that it's too early to tell how good Dabo is gonna be.
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Re: You were tricky on your post. LIKED IT since made me..
Nov 16, 2010, 5:34 PM
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think. Thanks!
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that's what I'm here for.***
Nov 16, 2010, 6:46 PM
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Re: Clemson needed to hire a real coach.
Nov 16, 2010, 5:39 PM
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WE had no money.. still do not. why do you think we hired the basketball coach we have presently. our athletic department is broke.
Besides.. the football coach you dont like won the division last year. Did you want to fire him then?
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Re: Clemson needed to hire a real coach.
Nov 16, 2010, 5:40 PM
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After he got his butt handed to him by a halpless Gamecock football team that up until that point in the season hadn't stopped any running game and was on a multi-game losing skid...yes, I was ready to show him the door.
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Re: Clemson needed to hire a real coach.
Nov 16, 2010, 5:43 PM
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WRONG!. Quit the hyperbole. It's been clearly reported that Clemson is atop the ACC in revenues and 3rd in expenditures. They're not broke. Not by a long shot.
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Re: Clemson needed to hire a real coach.
Nov 16, 2010, 5:46 PM
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Sure we are.. the bottom line.. not what we take in.
Keep kidding yourself.. we have more basketball wins in the last three years with the exception of Duke and UNC and a NCAA tourney team. We play in the ACC
AND YET we lose our coach to money to Depaul/????????
And can not afford to hire a big name basketball coach.
Keep dreaming perhpas our law school or med school will produce some big time donors
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Re: Clemson needed to hire a real coach.
Nov 16, 2010, 5:49 PM
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Clemson can afford good coaches; the revenue and expenditures prove this. The reason Clemson doesn't hire them is because they are cheap and lazy, and like with the indoor football facility and training table they are unwilling to invest in quality coaching.
But go ahead and believe what you want in spite of proof otherwise.
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Re: Clemson needed to hire a real coach.
Nov 16, 2010, 5:59 PM
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then why does the operating budget show a loss
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Re: Clemson needed to hire a real coach.
Nov 16, 2010, 6:07 PM
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So if he doesn't win the NC next season you'll admit you're a dumb a$$ and we can then fire Dumbo ?
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And if fire him now and hire a proven coach
Nov 16, 2010, 8:44 PM
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and they don't win the national championship or even 10 games will you admit the same thing?
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Yep...what he said^^^^^^^***
Nov 16, 2010, 6:22 PM
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Re: Clemson needed to hire a real coach.
Nov 16, 2010, 6:33 PM
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Danny was more of a Clemson legend than GREAT coach but was very hard nosed and that won some games for him. He was a great recruiter. But his record against the chickens wasn't all that great and neither was his road record in the ACC. But much like frank Howard Danny is a Clemson legend and probably the best coach we have had in years.
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Re: Clemson needed to hire a real coach.
Nov 16, 2010, 6:33 PM
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And dabo is no Danny.
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How do you know?***
Nov 16, 2010, 6:34 PM
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There is a difference between "hired away" and "fired"
Nov 16, 2010, 7:07 PM
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The difference is enormous when considering a coach's protege.
And please don't preach patience to us. In an age of instant gratification, we are the only school giving bad coaches 10 years.
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ALL IN!!!
Nov 16, 2010, 7:12 PM
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I just hope Dabo loses enough to drive the chaff out of town first!
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