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Oculus Spirit [83192]
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Jack Leggett has been the most successfull coach in Clemson
Jun 4, 2012, 12:20 PM
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history except for maybe Ibrahim and Penley.
1. He has finished in the top 4 twice, in 2002 and 2010.
2. He had finished in the 8, 6 times, '95, '96, '00, '02, '06, and '10.
3. Finished in the top 16 at least 13 or 14 times in his 19 years.
No other coach in football, basketball, or baseball has been this succesful.
He is 0-6 to our rival in post-season. If those losses had been to Southern Cal or Stanford, it wouldn't be magnified so much.
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if my aunt had a weiner I'd have two uncles but I don't...
Jun 4, 2012, 12:25 PM
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when your rival passes you and wins in such incredible manner with two national titles in a row the heat gets turned up. Just a fact.
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Oculus Spirit [83192]
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Sure but that doesn't change his results.***
Jun 4, 2012, 1:22 PM
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Re: if my aunt had a weiner I'd have two uncles but I don't...
Jun 4, 2012, 1:28 PM
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I will say this. Jack has been good at and good for Clemson. To be the best team in America. You have to have to have a very good team as usuc has. You have to have the luck with you that usuc has had. Last man at bat, last strike, and boom you get the hit that wins the game. And you move on to win CWS. That kind of luck that Tanner has happen at the right time. Jack has had all of that at Clemson. But Jack hasn't had it all to come together at the right time. To be named the best in America, you have to try and make everything good to happen close to the right time. And I think Jack can do that. But I also think that TDP should have a time frame for Jack to get it done or go in another direction. Plain and simple.
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they have had unbelievable luck.***
Jun 4, 2012, 1:38 PM
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Over the past two years, no one in the country has. ******
Jun 4, 2012, 5:30 PM
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Re: Jack Leggett has been the most successfull coach in Clemson
Jun 4, 2012, 12:27 PM
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If he actually won some titles and didnt lose the majority of the time he faces top competition I would agree.
Danny should be on the list though.
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agreed.....really only matters if you win or lose
Jun 4, 2012, 12:28 PM
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the biggest game...Danny takes the cake over Jack in that area...he got it done when it mattered most.
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but they're not against those teams. Why the fear
Jun 4, 2012, 12:30 PM
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of change.
lot of good talent out there that would love a chance at clemson
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I think sometimes we fear change more than the unknown
Jun 4, 2012, 12:31 PM
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even if the unknown could lead to much higher mountain tops...we'd rather stay where we are and are familiar.
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Clemson's fan base in a nutshell.***
Jun 4, 2012, 6:54 PM
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We had 5 football coaches in 10 years during the 70s and it
Jun 4, 2012, 7:06 PM
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lead to the greatest era of Clemson football, which also helped improve Clemson as a university and lead to the strongest decade in Clemson athletic history.
People say turnover leads to failure, but the overwhelming evidence says otherwise. Clemson's history proves this as well.
Miami won 4 football national championships with 4 different head coaches in under 20 years. VT is the only program that became highly successful being "patient".
TB was here 10 years, now if morons have their way, so will Dabo. Such loyalty will keep Jack around too and Clemson football and baseball will continue to decline.
Yet we fired two successful coaches in Davis and Adair.
This is what happens when your president doesn't value athletics and your AD is a puppet and attorney.
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"...if morons have their way, so will Dabo.."
Jun 4, 2012, 7:19 PM
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Only "morons" think this is not moving forward:
In 2011, with the most (29) true and RS freshmen in the country:
1) We won 10 games for the first time in 21 years.
2) We had the most conference wins in 28 years.
3) We were division champions for the 2nd time in three seasons.
4) We were the ACC Champions for the first time in 20 years.
5) We posted our first 7-0 home record in school history.
6) We went to a major bowl for the first time in 30 years.
7) We were 1 of only 3 BCS schools to improve from a losing season in 2010 to a 10-win season in 2011.
8) We won first eight games of the season. It was only the 4th time we've ever done that.
9) When we became bowl eligible on October 7th, it was the the earliest we've ever been bowl eligible.
10) We tied for 3rd in the entire country by beating four top 25 teams.
11) We had the most top 25 wins in school history.
12) We were the first ACC school ever to beat ranked teams in 3 consecutive games.
13) When we beat 3rd ranked VT in the ACCCG, it tied the highest ranked team we've ever beaten.
14) We reached #5 in the BCS poll. Our highest ranking in the BCS poll ever.
15) We were ranked in the BCS standings for 8 straight weeks.
16) We finished 15th in BCS ranking on December 4, tied for our best final BCS ranking in history.
17) We came back from 14 points or more down to win 3 games, the most ever. We've only come back from that margin 9 other times in history.
18) We came back from 18 down at Maryland, it was the 2nd biggest comeback in Clemson history.
19) We ended the nation’s longest winning streak when we beat Auburn for the first time since 1951.
20) When we beat 10th ranked Virginia Tech at Blacksburg, it was the largest margin of victory over a ranked team on the road in school history.
21) We set a school record by scoring in 22 consecutive quarters.
22) We finished with 6,171 yards of total offense, 3rd most in ACC history.
23) We had 33 TD passes as a team, 4th most in ACC history.
24) We had 3,952 passing yards, 4th most in ACC history.
25) We scored 470 points, 7th most in ACC history.
26) We set school records for passing yards, total offense, and points scored.
27) We had two first-team AP All-Americans for the first time, ever.
Dabo has accomplished more in 3 years than Bowden did iin his entire career. Give it up, cockboy.
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Oculus Spirit [83192]
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most of his accomplishments came right after he took over we
Jun 4, 2012, 6:16 PM
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have declined significantly the past 10 years. its clear to anyone looking at the numbers.
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Rock Defender [54]
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Incorrect.***
Jun 4, 2012, 7:14 PM
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Why in h did he not bring Brady Saturday? That was the
Jun 4, 2012, 12:37 PM
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biggest moment of the season and he made an illogical
move. A dumbfounding move. Why?
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Oculus Spirit [83192]
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Don't understand the question? I thought our pitching was
Jun 4, 2012, 1:24 PM
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outstanding Saturday.
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A 2 run lead. Two innings to go. Why not go to your ace?
Jun 4, 2012, 1:33 PM
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Why wait until your lead evaporates? Surely you
understand those questions. (Or...Are you Leggett?)
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It's not so much where he's been that people are concerned
Jun 4, 2012, 12:37 PM
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about. It's the direction the program seems to be headed
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Re: It's not so much where he's been that people are concerned
Jun 4, 2012, 1:09 PM
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Exactly ! The last five years have been largely mediocre and a 39% winning percentage against top 25 teams. You should not get a job for life because of what you have done in the past (see Bobby Bowden). Coaching is a what have you done for me lately business. Sure, when you have accomplished what Jack has, you do not fire him over a bad season or even a couple of bad seasons. However, when you look at the 5 year trend, you should be concerned. Over that span our winning percentage in conference puts us 6th in the ACC. That is not going to cut it. And yes it is magnified by what scar has done. Clemson continues to celebrate good vs demanding great, hence we extended Jack's contract. You come on Tigernet and you are blasted if you are the least bit negative but you get better by focusing on the negative and what needs to be improved and never being satisfied......that is how you create a high performance culture. Sure it is ok to celebrate success and pat yourself on the back for a bit, but those that achieve greatness do not dwell on past accomplishments. As soon as they get to the top of the mountain, they turn their focus on how to do it again. We tend to give you a lifetime celebration and job for life. Jack is making $400k a year.......there are not too many jobs in the real world that pay that and the ones that do demand that you perform or you're out.
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Re: Finished 4th in the country the year before last. I saw
Jun 4, 2012, 1:35 PM
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I saw for the third time in a tournament with USuC, Clemson, coached by Jack Leggett, go 0 - 2. I saw USuC do what was necessary to win a close series, and I saw a Clemson team (again) that couldn't get it done. And against our rival, that' what I saw.
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I saw 2 more losses to SC
Jun 4, 2012, 1:48 PM
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6-19 in their last 25 games against SC. Didn't get out of a regional for the 2nd straight year. No depth at pitching. Bad base running. Inconsistent hitting.
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6-19. ####.***
Jun 4, 2012, 6:56 PM
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Faddy, you've tried this weak angle before...
Jun 4, 2012, 6:44 PM
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A) Are you really trying to diminish the accomplishments of coaches who take over good programs?
B) How does Leggett compare to all other college baseball coaches? If you continue to weakly throw out his first 2 years, then do that for all coaches.
C) Leggett has taken us to the CWS at a higher rate than than Wilhem, and he's taken us further into the CWS than Wilhem ever did.
I'm not pining for Jack here. Only showing you how wrong you are, as usual.
I know you'll have no reply. Because you're simple.
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Too bad basic numbers and facts elude you. As far as the
Jun 4, 2012, 6:55 PM
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rate at which they went to the CWS, jesus, talk about using an "angle" to make a point. Wilhelm built the program from dirt. Jack took over a top 10 program.
Jack went to the CWS 2x his 1st 2 seasons. He has only been 2x the past 16.
Enough said.
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Re: Too bad basic numbers and facts elude you. As far as the
Jun 4, 2012, 6:58 PM
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Better check your facts again cootie
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i mistyped but even the corrected numbers prove me correct***
Jun 4, 2012, 7:07 PM
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Incorrect.***
Jun 4, 2012, 7:14 PM
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I meant 2x the past 10 years but it doesnt matter only somen
Jun 4, 2012, 7:11 PM
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in denial comes away from the numbers not seeing we are in decline and that Jack's best period was right after taking over. Its blatantly obvious Jack's success was thanks to Wilhelm, and great assistants in Corbin, Paw, and Sully.
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LOL. You mention Jack's decline, but then in the same ####
Jun 4, 2012, 7:12 PM
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breath you say Davis shouldn't have been fired.
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No ... 2002-2012 is 11 seasons, not 10.***
Jun 4, 2012, 7:24 PM
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Re: No ... 2002-2012 is 11 seasons, not 10.***
Jun 4, 2012, 7:26 PM
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so if you were born in 2002 and have a birthday in 2012 you are 11? hmmmmmm I agree we need new assts but ### kind of math is that?
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Not the same thing and you know it. Age starts at zero,
Jun 4, 2012, 7:37 PM
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seasons start at 1. The 2002 season started in 2001.
2002 1
2003 2
2004 3
2005 4
2006 5
2007 6
2008 7
2009 8
2010 9
2011 10
2012 11
Let's look at it another way.
Jack's 1st 9 seasons = 4 trips to the CWS
Jack's last 10 seasons = 2 trips to the CWS
That clear it up for you?
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Re: Not the same thing and you know it. Age starts at zero,
Jun 4, 2012, 7:39 PM
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Season starts in 2002 We start in Feb 2002 Are you really that ignorant?
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let me help you ...........
Jun 4, 2012, 7:53 PM
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2002-2012 is 11 seasons not 10
jack took us to the CWS 4x his 1st 9 years
jack took us to the CWS 2x his last 10 years
4x in 9 years is more than twice as good as 2x in 10 years
there is a clear factual undeniable decline.
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Re: let me help you ...........
Jun 4, 2012, 7:56 PM
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OK I will accept the 11 but Jack is not going anywhere pick another team !!
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He automatically falls below Ford without a....
Jun 4, 2012, 1:05 PM
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national championship. A National Championship trumps everything else.
He falls below Wilhelm because Wilhelm built the ###### program from the ground up, and laid it all on a great big silver platter for Jack.
And there is no maybe about the other two you mention. Three national titles between the two with numerous Final 4/8 finishes.
Just like yours, it's my opinion.
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He surpassed Wilhelm. He's twice finished 4th in the country
Jun 4, 2012, 1:28 PM
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. Wilhelm never finished that high. Wilhelm never won a NC...great coach though. Did Wilhelm ever win a CWS game?
Danny higher because of NC? Probably so and because no playoff format like Jack has.
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Re: He surpassed Wilhelm. He's twice finished 4th in the country
Jun 4, 2012, 1:30 PM
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Wilhelm built our program and was at least winning the ACC.
Jack took over a program in great shape and has done very little with it.
One Championship in the past 17 years.
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He's won a much tougher ACC twice and gone to the CWS
Jun 4, 2012, 1:33 PM
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more than Wilhelm ever did, and actually produced better in CWS than Wilhelm.
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Re: He's won a much tougher ACC twice and gone to the CWS
Jun 4, 2012, 1:34 PM
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twice in 19 years.... man that is kicking ### and taking names.
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Been to the CWS 6 times in 19 years.***
Jun 4, 2012, 1:36 PM
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Re: Been to the CWS 6 times in 19 years.***
Jun 4, 2012, 1:37 PM
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Do we get trophies for that?
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And 4 times since...
Jun 4, 2012, 6:46 PM
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That is, a higher rate than Wilhem did.
And how does Jack stack up against all college baseball coaches, including Wilhem?
Again, I'm not pining for jack. Merely showing you how easy your debate points are shot down.
I'll wait.
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4x in 17 years when you went 2x your 1st 2 years shows
Jun 4, 2012, 7:21 PM
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very clearly a program in decline. It shows his success was largely thanks to others. You are cherry picking numbers to make Jack look better when a simple view of the big picture proves otherwise.
Barry Switzer won the SB at Dallas in only his 2nd year as HC, but it took Jimmy Johnson 4 years. So by your logic Switzer was a better coach than Johnson. But see, rational people understand that the year before Johnson got to Dallas they only won 1 game, whereas the year before Switzer got there Dallas won its 2nd consecutive SB.
See what I did there?
I took statistics that are misleading and meaningless and I put them into what's called "context". Numbers, statistics, are meaningless without context.
When putting the numbers in context, only a fool would think Jack is better than Wilhelm.
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Faddy, he didn't go to the CWS in his first 2 years and he's
Jun 4, 2012, 7:25 PM
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been there 6 times in 17 years. Not 4.
And I'm still waiting on your comparison of the last 10 years.
It's easy defeating your stupidity, but you make it even easier when you lie and twist facts.
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2 his 1st 3 yeas, 4 his 1st 9 years, only 2 his last 10 year
Jun 4, 2012, 7:40 PM
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that is a clear decline, a rapid slowing of the rate.
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So your "facts" were not facts at all? Who'da thunk it?!
Jun 4, 2012, 10:07 PM
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Oh and sure, 2 times over 10 years is not as high of a rate as 4 times over 9, but when you're talking about 10 years and considering we were there in 2010, then it's not a "rapid" decline. And I'm still waiting on you to provide a national comparison. Are you working on that or no?
Regardless, your facts were incorrect, as usual. You really should try harder to not lie so much.
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we were playing and beating fsu and miami b4 they joined
Jun 4, 2012, 6:27 PM
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the ACC. Jack has only won the ACC once the past what 15 years or so? while UNC, UVa, USC and others blew past us. Jack is going backwards.
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The ACC championhsip in basball doesn't mean squat.
Jun 4, 2012, 7:16 PM
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Please provide a list of all schools during Jack's tenure, and then show their CWS appearances as well. For comparison.
Again, I'm on the fence about Jack, but defeating your low-browed nonsense is like taking candy from a baby.
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So Dabo is great for winning a lousy ACC and losing a lot
Jun 4, 2012, 7:30 PM
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of other games and the main defense you give for Dabo is winning the ACC, but Jack taking a team that dominated the ACC but is now behind several ACC programs, is also great?
So we pick and chose which ACC titles matter? The only ACC title that matters is football?
Winning a bad ACC in football is fantastic, but not winning a good ACC baseball title is fantastic too?
Either you were dropped on your head at birth or you do a lot of drugs.
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A) I didn't say Dabo was "great". He hasn't earned that yet.
Jun 4, 2012, 10:19 PM
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But he most definitely has us moving upward, and he's accomplished more than Bowden and just as much or more than your coach has, and he's done it in less than half the time.
B) Using the "yeah but the ACC sucked" is weak and baseless. The ACC has been just as open for winning for the last 20 years, but it hasn't happened. And as a secondary point, the ACC is better than it was when Ford was winning it, even though he lost plenty of games he shouldn't have lost.
C) ACC Baseball is better than it was when Jack came on board. Regardless, I'm not trying to make a case to keep Jack or not - I'm only poking holes in your WEAK arguments. Like taking candy from a baby.
D) Yes, football conference championships are FAR MORE important than baseball championships. Any knuckle dragging monkey should know that, but alas, you do not. Now THAT'S funny.
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You're missing the point.....
Jun 4, 2012, 4:03 PM
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Wilhelm started with a dirt field and no stands. He built the Clemson program, and according to many college baseball experts, was instrumental in developing the game nationally to its current modern day popularity.
Did Jack do any of that? Oh, and by the way, you completely glossed over the part that he handed the program to Jack on a large silver platter. The question is, "Will Jack one day hand the Clemson program over to his successor with a level of improvement equivalent to what Wilhelm handed to Jack?"
The answer of course is "no".
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Of course, I also think John Heisman was a better coach....
Jun 4, 2012, 4:08 PM
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than Jack Leg, but what the hell do I know?
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Re: Then Wilhelm = Coach Howard, Jack = Danny.***
Jun 4, 2012, 5:02 PM
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are you fing kidding me.
Never compare Jack to Danny.
Danny won Championships.
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wilhelm built it from nothing and retired with the program
Jun 4, 2012, 6:24 PM
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at its peak. jack's best years were right after he took over, then other than 2 seasons, the last 10 years are well below where wilhelm left things. too bad wilhelm didn't coach another 5 tears. if he had this conversation would be moot.
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Um, Faddy, we've been to the CWS twice in the last 10 years.
Jun 4, 2012, 6:49 PM
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What was Bill's rate of CWS appearances?
Yet again, not arguing for Jack here. I'm only showing how easily your low-browed debate points are defeated.
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Yea but....
Jun 4, 2012, 1:11 PM
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Jack continues to make bad decisions in close and BIG games. Can't overlook that
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Re: Yea but....
Jun 4, 2012, 2:42 PM
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amen.
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Re: Jack Leggett has been the most successfull coach in Clemson
Jun 4, 2012, 1:17 PM
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He also has had the most tools to work with:
1) Top Flight facilities (probably top 10)
2) Rabid fanbase
3) Recruiting hotbeds surrounding Clemson
4) Numerous high draft picks to sell kids on
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Re: Jack Leggett has been the most successfull coach in Clemson
Jun 4, 2012, 1:23 PM
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Jack is a tenured Professor of College Baseball, and like any tenured professor cannot be let go for any reason. And since he's a tenured baseball bureaucrat you know perfectly well that no problem with the program can be said to be Jack's fault. Jack is not accountable. How dare you, Sir! You must harbor some kind of unhealthy grudge against such a historic figure and his well-deserved lifetime contracts.
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All programs that don't win the NC have problems I guess
Jun 4, 2012, 1:30 PM
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because they didn't win enough. You don't fire this guy, though.
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Re: All programs that don't win the NC have problems I guess
Jun 4, 2012, 1:38 PM
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No you don't fire him, but you sit him down and show him the trend for the past five years and give him a time table and certain goals to accomplish with the understanding that he "retire" if they aren't met.
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Re: All programs that don't win the NC have problems I guess
Jun 4, 2012, 2:43 PM
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great answer which would require accountability.
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when your president behaves unethically to move a few spots
Jun 4, 2012, 6:34 PM
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in a magazine poll that tells you about concerns with accountability at the top. Then factor in the fact that athletics are not a priority for him and you get Clemson sports.
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"Unethically". LMAO.
Jun 4, 2012, 6:39 PM
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It just kills you that Clemson is a far stronger academic institution than your school, huh Faddy? LOL.
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I'm a CU grad and what Clemon did WAS unethical and when
Jun 4, 2012, 6:51 PM
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the lady from Clemson told people at a higher education seminar what they did it left people stunned and gave Clemson a black eye in the academic community. That is a FACT!
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You're a 1987 USuC grad, Faddy, and you might want to check
Jun 4, 2012, 7:11 PM
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the rankings every year since that whole speculative discussion took place. Clemson is still eons ahead of your school in academic reputation. Every single year before and after, It's not even close. FACTS!
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As I've said many times before, where is your proof?***
Jun 4, 2012, 7:49 PM
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As I've said many times before, I could provide details abt
Jun 4, 2012, 10:11 PM
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you, but I don't want to get banned from the site for posting your personal info.
By the same token, you committed to posting pics of your ring and diploma but you never have. Why is that Faddy? I guess you're embarrassed about your "education", which is the root of this thread tangent.
You're transparent and simple, Faddy.
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thats such bullsh!t...
Jun 4, 2012, 8:06 PM
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If you call:
...counting bonuses and retirement contributions in professorial salaries as other schools have done forever unethical
...lowering certain class sizes unethical
...voting for your own school unethical
then YOU'RE the one with the problem. Thats basically all Barker did.
You're such a coot phony. I still can't believe people have bought into your crap as coming from a Clemson person.
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"YOU'RE the one with the problem..."
Jun 4, 2012, 10:21 PM
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Duh! 
Faddy is a sick dude. Not too bright either.
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who's the concrete canoe team coach?***
Jun 4, 2012, 1:32 PM
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Running Bear?***
Jun 4, 2012, 1:33 PM
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You're right....
Jun 4, 2012, 1:54 PM
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But in my opinion, here is where your argument falls short: we didn't lose to Southern Cal or Stanford. We did get beat by our rival, and they went on to win the championship. If they had not won back to back titles (or heck even one title) I don't think there would be as much whining. I don't think it would be as bad if it weren't the perception that the instate kids who picked SC over Clemson were the ones beating us.
Anyway, right or wrong, should SC go on and make some real noise in the CWS and heaven forbid win a third, I think you see Jack on a short leash next year.
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More importantly, when Jack took over Clemson he took over a
Jun 4, 2012, 6:39 PM
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top 10 program and USC rarely made the playoffs much less Omaha. Fast forward to today and Clemson is nowhere close to where it was when Jack took over and USC is going for its 3rd straight CWS title. Adding insult to injury, Tanner is doing it with kids that grew up Clemson fans. Players Jack never gave the time of day.
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Re: Jack Leggett has been the most successfull coach in Clemson
Jun 4, 2012, 5:06 PM
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Why is this in the football forum?
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General sports topic, football, basketball, baseball, soccer
Jun 4, 2012, 5:53 PM
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, golf, it's got it all.
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Re: Cause Jesus Jack kicked field goals for Maine. ;-)***
Jun 4, 2012, 11:14 PM
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When are you going to quit being a little ##### and post a pic of your ring? You challenged me I posted mine. Your turn ###### bag.
Nothing more than a pathetic piece of #### USC fan.
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True, but his winning percentage against top 25 teams has
Jun 4, 2012, 6:09 PM
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dropped over the last for years to 41%. Two of his worst years at Clemson has been within the last four years, and the loses were not to So Cal or Stanford, they were to USCE, so this should be magnified. JL is a good coach and he has done many good things for Clemson. All things must come to an end though and his best days are behind him. This is not an opinion, but a fact. We're slipping and my fear is that we'll slip too far before things change.
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If the losses were to Southern Cal or Stanford, it wouldn't
Jun 4, 2012, 6:12 PM
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be as much of an issue because they recruit a different talent pool.
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4. He chokes in Omaha***
Jun 4, 2012, 10:17 PM
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