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I have no problems whatsoever with either Clemson, or South Carolina fans, who are native South Carolinians that did not attend class there, being fans. The only down side to that is that South Carolina is a more blue collar state, and a lot of people from more prestigious institutions will call us "rednecks." There is a big difference, at least to me, in plain white trash, who survive off of welfare, and are too lazy to work, except work on their meth labs, than good, hard working, country boys, who might look a little rough around the edges, but would not harm a flea. Give me a good hard working country boy any day of the week, who will speak to everyone, be polite to people, etc...Than some educated snob who drives a Rolls Royce, and thinks they are better than everyone. We are all people, and as long as we make an honest living, and do the best we can do with what we were given, then we are all a like.

I was fortunate enough to earn a degree from Clemson. I grew up a Clemson fan all of my life, but always suffered from pretty bad ADHD. I made average grades growing up, and never thought I would see the inside of a Clemson classroom. I did better on the SAT's than I thought I would, and the only college that I applied too was Clemson. When I received my letter in the mail, I could not believe that I got in. I think the major that I chose (Econ), had a lot to do with me getting in. I did not pick one of the more popular majors, like marketing, PRTM, etc. That's why I encourage people who feel iffy that they will be accepted, to choose one of the most least popular majors they have, and once you get accepted, and start classes, you can change your major.

Anyway, a person who did not got to Clemson for whatever reason, and has lived in South Carolina all or most of their life, has every right to be a fan as anyone. We have no pro sports teams in this state, not anything past AA or AAA anyway, so if you want to adopt a college football team, then I feel you should adopt one from your home state. What I cannot stand seeing are these buffoons who walk around with their UNC caps on sideways during basketball season. And in the 1990s there were many native South Carolinians who adopted FSU or UT. I asked this guy one time, who was from South Carolina, and had never lived anywhere else, but was always raving about FSU, and had an FSU sticker on his car....I asked him what is the name of FSU's head coach? His answer; "I think it is Bobby something but I am not completely sure." This is what caused me to have so much hatred for FSU football and UNC basketball growing up, the fans of not only people who never attended classes, but had never even stepped foot on their campus.

I guess if you live like in Walhalla, and a couple of miles from the Georgia state line, then I might possibly be able to accept you being a UGA fan, but if you choose them, then you need to root for them for life.

And also, I grew up with a friend who had lived in South Carolina all of his life, and was a UGA fan. I could accept that, though, because his dad and Uncle were UGA grads. That's a different story. And when it was time for us to go to college, he ended up going to UGA anyway.

Bottom line is, native South Carolinians who want to adopt a college football or basketball team should adopt one from their home state, or where they have lived most of their life. And none of this being a Alabama fan in football, and a Duke fan in basketball, those type of people tick me off worse than any. Anyway, just my two cents.....

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Jul 16, 2010, 1:42 AM

I agree with most of your points on that.

Sometimes the hats and clothing are a fashion statement, which seemed to have been pretty much started by the hip-hop generation in the nineties. For some reason it seemed to have all started with Raiders attire, when the raiders were in Los Angeles. The Raiders were pretty much horrible their entire time in L.A., so it would be hard to say it was people jumping on the bandwagon of a good team. The White Sox was another popular one back then, and somewhat today. But, I think the rap culture started taking off in the early 90s, with Dr. Dre and Snoop Dogg, who came out of south central L.A., which may explain the Raiders gear of the nineties. Plus, the nineties was a pretty bad time for gang violence in L.A., particularly South Central. The gangs are still there today, but are more racially motivated due to a lot of Latinos moving in that area. I still cannot help but find it hilarious that the city of Los Angeles does not have an NFL team. No NFL team, but two basketball teams, and two baseball teams, although Anaheim seems to have tried to separate themselves from the Los Angeles name, by not wanting to be in the shadow of the Dodgers. But it still does not change the fact that they are only 25 miles from downtown L.A., though.

After rappers Tupac Shakur and Biggie Smalls were murdered in late 1996/early 1997, rapping/hip hop started to become a rivalry, and up to this day a lot of rap artists judge either by where they came from. Several, like Snoop and Dr Dre are L.A. guys, and wear a lot of L.A. gear, and 50 cent, Jay-Z, and others are New York rappers, and often wear the yankee caps. Then you have the "dirty south rappers" like Ludacris, Usher, Lil John, etc...who wear the Atlanta Braves emblem often, and Nelly who sports the St Louis cardinals gear.

Anyway, most of the fashion statements from the hip hop fans are not normally about the Yankees, Braves, Raiders, White Sox, or whoever, they just use emblems to try and emulate their favorite hip hop artists.

It's a lot more rare to see college logos being represented by the hip hop artists. Snoop Dogg has done it before with Southern Cal, and Ludacris with Georgia, and I have seen a few do it with UNC as well.

And I agree we probably picked up a few bandwagon fans in the 80s, but not as many as some may think. If we did pick up fans from other states in the 80s, due entirely to the '81 team, then most of them have probably jumped off the wagon by now. I see a lot less people wearing FSU or Miami gear these days around South Carolina like they did in the 90s. And I kind of doubt the Gamecocks picked up any due to their baseball title. It's rare to see people that ride the bandwagon jumping on one due to what a college baseball team did. Football and basketball, yes, but baseball, if there are any, it's very few, due to it not getting the kind of exposure of football and hoops.

I think basically South Carolina is a state where two football crazy schools exist, and you are either taught to be Clemson or South Carolina from birth, or start getting into if you attend or attended one of those two schools, because if you want to enjoy sports in this state, then you either have to do it with CU or SCAR, because there are not any professional teams, unless you count the Panthers, to choose from. That right there shows the stupidity of Swofford and the ACC. This time five or six years ago I said that adding Boston College just for a TV market would be a mistake. In Boston it's either Red Sox, Celtics, Patriots, or Bruins. Boston College is just a school in the background that they treat like a Pee-Wee team. Swofford must have been off of his rocker if he thought a number of Boston people would watch a game between Clemson and GT, over one of their professional teams up there.

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