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Pennsylvania federal court smacks Trump in the face

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Posted: Nov 21, 2020, 8:37 PM
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The opinion (link below) opens with this:
In this action, the Trump Campaign and the Individual Plaintiffs
(collectively, the “Plaintiffs”) seek to discard millions of votes legally cast by
Pennsylvanians from all corners – from Greene County to Pike County, and
everywhere in between. In other words, Plaintiffs ask this Court to disenfranchise
almost seven million voters. This Court has been unable to find any case in which
a plaintiff has sought such a drastic remedy in the contest of an election, in terms
of the sheer volume of votes asked to be invalidated. One might expect that when
seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with
compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption, such that this
Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief
despite the impact it would have on such a large group of citizens.

That has not happened. Instead, this Court has been presented with strained
legal arguments without merit and speculative accusations, unpled in the operative
complaint and unsupported by evidence. In the United States of America, this
cannot justify the disenfranchisement of a single voter, let alone all the voters of its
sixth most populated state. Our people, laws, and institutions demand more. At
bottom, Plaintiffs have failed to meet their burden to state a claim upon which
relief may be granted. Therefore, I grant Defendants’ motions and dismiss
Plaintiffs’ action with prejudice.


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Posted: Nov 21, 2020, 8:50 PM
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Posted: Nov 21, 2020, 8:56 PM
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So a liberal judge threw out an injunction. Bombshell much?

I love when impartial judges say things like: “such that this Court would have no option but to regrettably grant the proposed injunctive relief”...... glad they didn’t have a bunch of evidence so they didn’t have to “regrettably” do something.

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Posted: Nov 21, 2020, 9:37 PM
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If you don't like that liberal judge, you can check out this one by a judge appointed by Trump.

Link below, but the opinion goes like this: The plaintiff (a Trump campaign staffer) lacks standing to bring the case, so the request for an injunction has to be denied. But even if the plaintiff had standing, he delayed for 8 months before filing, so it has to be denied. But even if he hadn't delayed, he failed to show any likelihood of success, so it has to be denied. But even if he hadn't failed to show a likelihood of success, he can't show irreparable harm, so it has to be denied. But even if he had been able to do that, the balance of the equities and the public interest requires that it be denied. So, denied.

https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.gand.283580/gov.uscourts.gand.283580.54.0_3.pdf

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Posted: Nov 21, 2020, 10:08 PM
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Brann was a Obama appointee. However from his Wikipedia (source intentional):

“He also spent years as a Republican Party official in Pennsylvania and was active in the Federalist Society and National Rifle Association.[2]”

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_W._Brann


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If you spent 2 sec checking before posting...

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Posted: Nov 22, 2020, 11:52 AM
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You would find that the judge is a Republican. He sure as heck ain't a liberal. I wamt to know who told you he was and why you believed them?

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Posted: Nov 21, 2020, 8:57 PM
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The more I watch this fiasco the more convinced I am that this isn't a legal strategy so much as just public spectacle for the benefit of OAN, Newsmax, and the Parler-verse. Give them some grist for a narrative that there is some sort of titanic struggle for the future of the nation at stake (which there actually sort of is, though not in a legal sense), and use that narrative to put pressure on public officials to bend and not certify (like Trump just tried with the Michigan crew), or, failing that, keep things stirred up long enough that he makes it look like he fought valiantly to the end. (Even though he hid out in the White House sulking and golfed a lot, occasionally firing somebody he perceives as disloyal.)

They really don't seem to be worried about actual court results. It doesn't even look like they're really trying to win in court so much as just keep it alive, mostly because they have no case and they know it. They're just doing what Team Trump does: lie a lot, shamelessly and with a straight face, and then rely on conservative media to sell those lies to the base...and keep pushing that lie until maybe they can convince enough folks it's actually true.

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Posted: Nov 21, 2020, 9:03 PM
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maybe it really is ALL about the clicks.

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I worry my faith in God will be severely shaken

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Posted: Nov 21, 2020, 9:32 PM
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if he allows the Democrats and their Satanic Pedofile ring to take over the Whitehouse.

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Posted: Nov 21, 2020, 10:05 PM
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Yeah I had a feeling this was going south the other day in the oral arguments when Brann asked Giuliani and crew a ton of tough questions at the end. I think the requests for them to submit the brief and request for injunction was kinda like “just to make sure you’re really saying what I think you’re arguing here in court.”

The even worse part is he suggests at least a couple of times they might have had an argument if they had come at it from a different angle. I know he said that about the standing part.

That was a pretty weak legal effort overall. When you start slicing and dicing your original complaint while simultaneously shedding legal representation, that’s never a good look for the judge.

I said before their request to not certify the vote was pretty far out there anyway. Like the judge said, you fix the bad ones. You don’t throw out the rest in the process.

I’d say between this case, the PA Supreme Court case and the GA recount, Trump is done. He should concede Monday IMO barring anything new and major coming forward. Without those two states, there is no path.

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ding dong the Trump is dead the evil Trump the wicked

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Posted: Nov 21, 2020, 10:15 PM
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Trump, ding dong the evil Trump is dead

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Agreed, except for I don't think the legal effort....


Posted: Nov 22, 2020, 11:55 AM
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was weak...the case was weak and dang near nonexistent.

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So entertaining to watch the meltdown happen in slow motion.

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Posted: Nov 21, 2020, 11:34 PM
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What a clown show. A fitting end to these last 4 years. I hope they livestream Trump being dragged out of the White House.

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Posted: Nov 22, 2020, 2:15 AM
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Rudy is calling it a victory claiming it will help him get to the supreme court faster. He claims that's the goal.

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Let’s cut through the mumbo jumbo man

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Posted: Nov 22, 2020, 5:36 AM
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Does all that mean Trump won?

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Posted: Nov 22, 2020, 7:24 AM
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Yes. APM cleared it up. Trump identifies as president after Jan 20th. He identifies as the victor.

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Key part of the last sentence: "with prejudice"


Posted: Nov 22, 2020, 10:25 AM
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Sparing no words to express his disgust at Trump’s case, Williamsport, Pa. federal Judge Matthew Brann dismissed the suit with prejudice, meaning Trump cannot amend or refile the case because the judge considered it so far fetched.

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-pennsylvania-trump-giuliani-20201122-lcp3mzh7sbcjpdlu3juhpvzmpq-story.html

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