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"could not extend hotel benefits"
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 11:22 AM
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So I'm guessing they are still paying their rent, but have no place to stay now?
Hmmm..how the F does that work?
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Sounds like a pisssing contest between the developer
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 11:33 AM
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and the city. The developer must have not paid someone enough money to get things taken care of.
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originally it was because they couldn't get fire trucks
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 11:43 AM
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in the complex because of the nonexistent stormwater control methods s and impassable roads. Not sure if that was resolved properly or not, or there are more "political" issues now.
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Re: Are the lofts in Sochi SC?***
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 11:39 AM
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I feel like only really rich kids are trying to live in
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 11:48 AM
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those so I have no problem with their being inconvenienced at all.
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Clemson is well on its way to being a rich kid school.
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Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 11:55 AM
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Ride around and see where students are staying, what they're driving, and where they're spending money around town. I used to say back in the day that if you were going to be a bum and live cheap, Clemson was the place to do it. That is FAR from being the case these days. The other amazing thing to me is how many celebrities are sending kids to Clemson. It has become exactly what we used to deride UVA and UNC for being back in my day.
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I guess some of that comes with the improved academic rep
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 11:57 AM
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But I don't get why an improved reputation has to mean that the only food available in the area is from chains. It's hard to blame chains from wanting to open up places where they can make money, but it would be nice if Clemson would give preference to local businesses.
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Clemson needs to give preference
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 11:59 AM
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to who is going to generate tax revenue. It is the students that need to learn to support the locals first.
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Hard to support locals if there aren't any around to support***
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:00 PM
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That is valid. But think of your average college freshmen,
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:01 PM
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they are going to gravitate towards the familiar.
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Oculus Spirit [98708]
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It's WAY hard to make money in the restaurant business these
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Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:03 PM
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days. In a small market like Clemson, the chains that have it down to a science can survive far better than any local. Rock Hill suffers from that same thing, and the population is 4 times greater.
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I think the summers is what kills the restaurants
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:07 PM
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There just aren't enough students staying for the summer and definitely not enough locals to be able to support the bar/restaurant business, the chains survive because they can keep the expenses down
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That's sort of what I thought
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:09 PM
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And it's why I wish Clemson could offer something to local business-people who will open something.
I even heard McClure's Books was closing. While I'm not surprised, that means there aren't any bookstores in Clemson besides the campus "bookstore" that barely sells books.
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Oculus Spirit [98708]
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There aren't many bookstores anywhere, anymore.
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:11 PM
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There were some great bookstores in Charlotte that have fallen by the wayside thanks to the digital age.
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This is why I have never gone full bore with my idea for a
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:15 PM
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place. Everything can be 99.9% perfect and things still not work. It seems the biggest key is to have a lot of friends, who have friends they will bring with them. Get that base of regulars built up quick, and treat them right every time.
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Oculus Spirit [98708]
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What you envision would have a really hard time making
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:24 PM
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ends meet in Clemson. You need alcohol sales, and three fourths of your target market is under age. Then you need people coming out to see bands, but folks aren't coming to see bands and drink free refill iced tea all night. Finally, you run into the same problem with food sales that any locally owned business does...you aren't getting the franchise buying power for your food and other supplies, so the cost of doing business drives the prices into the upscale range, which doesn't bode well for a beer & BBQ joint unless you're in a tourist locale with a constant traffic stream. I've seen at least three places that never even got the doors open across from Winthrop that had roughly the same idea. And nearly everything across the street from Winthrop is some kind of franchise.
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CU Medallion [62402]
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Yep. The Astro idea was the pipe dream of pipe dreams.
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Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:37 PM
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I think the Georgia Theater works because of the size of Athens and the talent that has been cultivated at that place. My joint would almost have to be here or Greenville. If Greenville, I'd arrange some type of party bus type deal to get the Clemson students that wanted to go see a show.
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Does "legacy" and "tradition" hold any weight in todays
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 1:23 PM
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bar scene? Especially in Clemson--it's the only reason I can explain why top of the tavern, Nicks, or Sloan Street tap room are still open.
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Um, top of the tavern is open because you can smoke in there
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 1:30 PM
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and the old timers go on Sunday too.
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Sloan Street stays open because Jimmy Howard is too dang
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 2:08 PM
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stubborn to let it close. I don't know enough about Nick's to make a call on that, but obviously they do enough business to stay there, because I imagine the rents downtown are not cheap.
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Is it just the natural progression of any school?
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 11:57 AM
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When getting into a lot of 3rd and 4th generation families sending kids, does the population just change?
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Don't think it's the legacies, so much as...
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 11:59 AM
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it's the kind of kids Clemson is attracting now and the expectations they have for a school. Some of those expectations probably come from the country, and the whole south, being so much more affluent than it was years ago.
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It's a relatively safe and picturesque rural setting with
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Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:06 PM
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nationally recognized major sports that are on campus and thriving Greek system in place. For a lot of those folks from out of state, it's an idyllic Ivy League-like college experience and a degree that has value for a quarter of the price.
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Yep. Nothing wrong with those folks, but...
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:11 PM
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it would be nice if attracting more affluent people, or just attracting a broader range of people, wouldn't mean that the place has to look like everywhere else.
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And the more affluent giving it away easier than before.
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:09 PM
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I also think we are moving towards the top of a curve where only rich kids will go to college for a while. You know the old saying, "If you can afford college, why go?"
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I noticed that change in the early 2000's.
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:01 PM
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My wife, who had never been to Clemson before 2003, said she saw a difference from the games we went to in 2003 to the games we attended in 2004.
Every time I go back I always wonder what it would be like to be living like I made 70-80K year, but being a college kid.
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This is the truth. It's not uncommon to see 20 year olds
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:07 PM
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riding around in brand new Escalades. The small town feeling is now gone, it just isn't the place I grew up going to. Traffic has become a nightmare, too. Seneca, Clemson, Pendleton, and Anderson are all starting to run together these days. There's a new development, supposedly some apartments, etc. for Tri County tech students that just got cleared right at 76 and 187.
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Seems like I read there is going to be a dedicated complex
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:09 PM
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for Bridge students on or near campus too, and that the Bridge is going to expand size yet again.
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Bridge is another thing that's helped change clemson
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 12:16 PM
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Now people don't have to look elsewhere if they don't get in, they can just go bridge and be good to go. While I think it is a good thing for many, it's definitely changed the dynamics of the clemson experience.
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My favorite burn for the bridge students is...
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Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 1:40 PM
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"How does it feel to know Clemson admits developmentally disabled people over you?"
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Isn't that Highpointe?***
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 1:24 PM
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They've moved on from Highpointe
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 1:27 PM
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The bridge students are like a swarm of locusts, moving from apartment complex to apartment complex.
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Are they so bad to live with the complexes just can't take
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 2:11 PM
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it? Or is it more that somebody else's gear needs greased?
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This is pure speculation on my part, but I'd imagine
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 2:17 PM
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the no alcohol anywhere rules the bridge students have to live by were driving away potential residents. Who wants to not drink at the pool or be hassled by cops all of the time? In that case, it would make sense to move them somewhere where they could be more isolated and easier to police. I have no idea where they live now.
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Oculus Spirit [98708]
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They policed pretty well at Highpointe, actually.
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 3:23 PM
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Highpointe was never intended to be the Bridge complex, but according to my sources, Tom Winkopp struck a deal with Clemson when real estate tanked that kept him from defaulting on some serious loans on that project.
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Aren't these the $850/ student places?***
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 11:55 AM
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Yep.
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 2:32 PM
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Though I doubt anybody will ever live in them at this rate.
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I also have no problem with the developer losing their shirt
Posted: Oct 20, 2014, 3:28 PM
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on this one.
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