All-In [31168]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 36907
Joined: 12/1/98
|
|
|
|
 |
All-In [45831]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 47764
Joined: 5/16/04
|
Re: Yeah China
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 7:28 AM
|
|
Probably because they can force their people to do whatever they want during covid. We wing it here.
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Medallion [70481]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 52333
Joined: 7/13/02
|
Colleges do what China does.
[1]
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 8:01 AM
|
|
They test everyone like crazy. If positive they remove you to a quarantine facility. Then return you once you're well. Still their numbers are BS. It can be managed if you take freedom and chunk it out the door. That's why we're #1. Freedom ain't free.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2911]
TigerPulse: 80%
Posts: 6198
Joined: 1/5/17
|
Re: Colleges do what China does.
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 8:15 AM
|
|
Are you suggesting that the half million deaths that we are bound to reach are a reasonable price to be paid for refusing to accept scientifically motivated restrictions on our movements and interactions on a temporary basis ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Medallion [70481]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 52333
Joined: 7/13/02
|
Probably. There can be a lot more than 600,000 deaths
[1]
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 9:17 AM
|
|
if we sacrifice our freedom and nation. Climate change is also an example of science being used to restrict freedom, but mainly it's a money making venture. But yeah, science is used a lot to justify very broad range of limitations on freedom.
Did you know in the spring covid relief law they slipped in a mandate, on the states, to all pass laws restricting the age to purchase tobacco and increase it to 21yo? Yes, for a state to receive those funds, it would be required to pass a law increasing the age to 21 for purchasing tobacco. Not all states would have done that on their own. Heck, few would have. But that's an example of Congress using our own money to enact federal laws they could never enact unilaterally, using our own tax dollars. Same thing for the nationwide 55mph speed limit. Same thing for the 21yo drinking age. Same for everything the federal government wants to mandate that it can't rely on states to do.
What is to stop them from mandating masks nationwide as an attachment to the next covid bill? Or travel restrictions, or whatever?
I remember asking a convenience store clerk about the change in the tobacco age back in the spring. She said it sucked and then railed on McMaster, and our state politicians. I then asked her how she liked her relief check. Oh, she loved that. That was the federal government doing a good job. I then told her if McMaster et. al. didn't pass that tobacco law, the state would have been denied covid relief funds. McMaster tried to use the funds to fund private schools. It was worth it for him in that regard. When I asked her if her covid relief check was worth the increase in the tobacco age, she looked mortified. SHe literally had no clue how that change happened or came to be. No one does.
We are not well led. We are not operating as our founders intended. And that explains everything. Not some qanon conspiracy, or climate change, or anything else.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2911]
TigerPulse: 80%
Posts: 6198
Joined: 1/5/17
|
Re: Probably. There can be a lot more than 600,000 deaths
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 9:49 AM
|
|
Tiggity,
I take your point about hiding unrelated matters in larger bills. However, I don't think that addresses my point. The things that we have been asked to do to mitigate this virus are pretty small compared to the number of American lives that we might have saved.
Under the social contract, the limiting of some individual liberties can lead to a far greater freedom for the group as a whole.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [9722]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 13867
Joined: 2/10/99
|
Re: Probably. There can be a lot more than 600,000 deaths
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 10:20 AM
|
|
That’s easy to say coming from a government employee who draws a paycheck no matter what.
Also with the limited shutdowns and stimulus we’ve already had, we’ve further exploded the debt. Please inform us how you would let the government pay everyone’s way so we could all just stay home and people wouldn’t be dying from COVID on average at life expectancy.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2911]
TigerPulse: 80%
Posts: 6198
Joined: 1/5/17
|
Re: Probably. There can be a lot more than 600,000 deaths
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 12:04 PM
|
|
T3,
I am aware that the economic consequences of this virus have been greatly removed from me personally. That does not mean that I am unaware of those consequences on the families in my community.
I wonder what the people who lived through WW II (at home and abroad) would say about the sacrifices that we are being asked to make to save American lives. Those people pulled together and sacrificed for four years - and have been called "the Greatest Generation for it.
I wonder what history will call this current generation ?
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [9722]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 13867
Joined: 2/10/99
|
Re: Probably. There can be a lot more than 600,000 deaths
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 12:18 PM
|
|
The difference is...they were fighting evil dictators from taking over the world and potentially people of all ages dying.
With COVID we’re sacrificing the livelihoods and mental and physical health of people of all ages to protect people from a disease that mainly kills old people, many of whom were already dying or had little life expectancy left anyway. That may be cold but it’s reality.
Based on SC stats, people in my age group have a 4% chance of being hospitalized and a 0.9% chance of dying if they get COVID. That’s based on reported cases. If you also consider unreported cases, the percentages are even lower.
Why should I be required to lose my business or be told to stay home?
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2911]
TigerPulse: 80%
Posts: 6198
Joined: 1/5/17
|
Re: Probably. There can be a lot more than 600,000 deaths
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 2:19 PM
|
|
T3,
Why should young American males have gone all the way to Europe to save lousy Europeans from their own ? Why should Americans back home have rationed meat, & sugar, & coffee, etc. to help support young men foolish enough to volunteer to go to Europe. Why should they have gone soooo deeply in debt to support such a policy - or paid higher taxes to pay down that debt ?
In case you don't have an answer handy - it's because WE are Americans and WE are all at our best when we pull together against a common challenger. Just because this one is not in human form doesn't alter that fact.
So many Americans will sacrifice and spend any amount of money on swords, but balk at the idea of doing the same for plowshares.
|
|
|
|
|
|
Orange Blooded [2154]
TigerPulse: 87%
Posts: 3194
Joined: 9/28/08
|
Re: Probably. There can be a lot more than 600,000 deaths
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 5:42 PM
|
|
Re: us going to Europe...without the U.S., we have a pretty good idea now, after the fact, that either the Germans would have taken Europe, taken Europe and Russia, or Russia would have taken Germany and Europe.
In either of the Germany survives scenarios, there is a very high probability the Germans (+ Japanese maybe) would have attacked the US homeland in a big way. For sure bombings and naval attacks, maybe a land invasion.
The Germans were so far ahead of the world in most technologies. If Hitler wasn't so warped, he could have taken over the world, at least for a brief period of time...Everyone would be driving a Benz, or a Beetle 
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Guru [1487]
TigerPulse: 59%
Posts: 2108
Joined: 1/26/11
|
Re: Probably. There can be a lot more than 600,000 deaths
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 11:18 AM
|
|
Tobias: Under the social contract, the limiting of some individual liberties can lead to a far greater freedom for the group as a whole.
Please explain. You're assuming way to much. Trusting Biden is very dangerous, right?
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [7537]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 8234
Joined: 7/3/01
|
Yes.***
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 10:18 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
All-In [26613]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 36776
Joined: 4/20/01
|
"science"***
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 11:01 AM
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
CU Medallion [70481]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 52333
Joined: 7/13/02
|
|
|
|
|
|
Oculus Spirit [76533]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 63372
Joined: 9/10/03
|
Should have just given them the 1200 checks.
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 10:21 AM
|
|
that the people who were employed did not need.
|
|
|
|
|
|
110%er [7537]
TigerPulse: 100%
Posts: 8234
Joined: 7/3/01
|
Wait. We're going to argue about whether we measure up
Posted: Jan 18, 2021, 10:29 AM
|
|
to info China gives us?
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
