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110%er [5679]
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We've covered this ad nauseum, but
Dec 17, 2020, 9:37 AM
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nevertheless this is an interesting/confusing stat if it is true:
We are told that Biden won more votes nationally than any presidential candidate in history. But he won a record low of 17 percent of counties; he only won 524 counties, as opposed to the 873 counties Obama won in 2008. Yet, Biden somehow outdid Obama in total votes.
Of course there is population increase over the years which explains some of the additional vote. I'm not suggesting the stat means there is fraud, but it seems non-intuitive.
https://spectator.us/reasons-why-the-2020-presidential-election-is-deeply-puzzling/
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Always a great sign when you're arguing feel facts.***
Dec 17, 2020, 9:42 AM
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CU Medallion [56087]
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Trump won over 2500 counties and lost the election.
Dec 17, 2020, 9:51 AM
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Biden won with just over 500.
IT'S RIGGED I TELL YA
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Legend [19946]
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Biden won more counties than Hillary did
Dec 17, 2020, 9:54 AM
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and she won the popular vote, too.
Also, more Americans live in Los Angeles County than in the 11 least-populated states combined.
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All-In [42171]
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Nah.
Dec 17, 2020, 10:13 AM
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It was a legit election. Sorry.
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Urban versus rural? Amazing this new trend......
Dec 17, 2020, 10:21 AM
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It's ALWAYS been our political and cultural divide. Since literally day 1. Here's a little mental exercise. Go down this list of counties with the highest populations in the US. Tell me when you get to the first one Trump won. Even in deep red states, these counties, which are urban, voted for Biden.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_most_populous_counties_in_the_United_States
Trump may want to avoid destroying the electoral college, as that will be as bad a move for the GOP as when the dems changed the Senate rules. Honestly it will destroy our republic.
Here's a picture from the census bureau....
The only reason Trump won in 2016 was because of the electoral college. Same for GWB in 2000. I'd argue without the electoral college, we wouldn't have had a republican president since Reagan, or GHWB. The electors Trump is attacking give added weight to rural voters, and conservatives. It is still doing exactly that today, and it did it from day one, and there's a reason it exists.
Don't let Trump burn the place down, and bite off the hand that fed him. Gore didn't even do that in 2000. Hillary didn't do it in 2016. Don't be on the team that does it. Of the two parties, the GOP fundamentally should be recoiling the most at what Trump is doing (especially at this point), not following along with it. The only way you can irrationalize burning the place down is if you're convinced the dems are going to go full AOC/socialist. Which....was......what Bill Clinton was going to do. GWB was going to make us all poor and racist, Obama was going to make us communist. Trump was going to make us Nazis. And now Joe Freaking Biden is going to be the ender of our republic. Nope is the answer to all of the above. What has actually happened through these many decades now, is we have had unprecedented wealth creation, prosperity, military power, and peace. NO MATTER WHO occupied the White House.
Trump is doing massive damage to the GOP. MASSIVE damage. And to the country as well. But our founding fathers accounted for urban liberals and rural conservatives, and even accounted for the AOC's of the world and the Donald Trump's. Neither side is going to RULE the country in totality in their image. Early on, our electoral college gave excess power to urban interests. It's the opposite today. It is by design. And conservatives, and even most liberals, know that and appreciate it.
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So Biden got record turn out in counties
Dec 17, 2020, 10:50 AM
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And cities where black lives matter protest we’re nearly constant for the last eight months call mom and prominent political social another urban leaders we’re constantly beating the drum the voting rather than protesting?
I’m not sure that’s too hard to dissect understand understand.
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Simple math: President Obama received a higher
Dec 17, 2020, 12:18 PM
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percentage of the vote in 2008 than President-elect Biden did in November.
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the math is pretty simple
Dec 17, 2020, 1:36 PM
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roughly 30 million more voters in the 2020 election than in the 2008 election
131 million in 2008... final totals still aren't in, but most sources say 159-161 million voted this year
so Biden would only have to get ~44% of the total vote to get more votes than Obama in 2008
and in an interesting stat... states with the highest turnout percentages mostly went to Biden
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1184621/presidential-election-voter-turnout-rate-state/
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Orange Blooded [4365]
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Re: We've covered this ad nauseum, but
Dec 17, 2020, 2:31 PM
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The vast majority of the US population resides in a very small % of the counties in the US.
Here's a quote of some numbers from the Census Bureau:
The Census estimates that in 2018, 327 million people lived in the U.S. across more than 3,000 counties. A mere 140, or 4.5 percent, of counties were home to about 50 percent of those people. Los Angeles County in California is the largest and individually accounts for 3 percent of the U.S. population—that is more than most states. In fact, if Los Angeles County were its own state, it would be the 10th most populous in the U.S.
Here's the link: https://research.stlouisfed.org/publications/economic-synopses/2020/05/06/geographic-disparity-in-the-u-s-population#:~:text=The%20Census%20estimates%20that%20in,50%20percent%20of%20those%20peopleHow is the U.S. population distributed? .
BTW, Here's another quote, this time about GDP:
Recently released Bureau of Economic Analysis data show that less than 3 percent of counties produce half of the gross domestic product (GDP) for the entire U.S.
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Math is hard
Dec 18, 2020, 12:35 AM
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