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This might be the best basketball team we've ever had.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:14 AM
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It's obviously early, and we have a lot of conference games to play, but thus far this team is showing a completeness we might not have seen on a Clemson basketball team.

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-Unparalleled depth
-Aggressive defense
-Many shooters and scorers
-Nice balance of veteran leadership and youth
-And of course, Clemson grit

Based on what I've seen so far, this team is capable of a deep NCAA Tournament run we've only seen a few times here. Obviously, a lot of things have to go right to have that kind of a run, but this team is capable of it.

Here's to staying healthy, staying hungry, and continuing to develop our rotation.

ENJOY THIS SEASON AND THIS TEAM!

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Not even close***

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:15 AM
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Which team(s) do you feel were better?***

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89/90, 96/97 initially come to mind

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:24 AM
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However, the season is early. I could add more to the list

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Those two teams were excellent.***

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Re: 89/90, 96/97 initially come to mind


Posted: Jan 1, 2021, 12:25 AM
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BIG OOOOO!!!

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Re: 89/90, 96/97 initially come to mind


Posted: Jan 2, 2021, 2:09 AM
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Agreed. Loved watching Campbell and Davis.

Darn you Tate George!!

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um, what did Tate do


Posted: Jan 3, 2021, 8:19 PM
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Darn the Clemson defense and the player that shrunk back completely - ghosted, probably a better term - when he took the shot. Wasn't challenged on the shot at all. It was a freebie. Maybe worst defense ever in a pivotal moment.

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The defensive call by Ellis to not press the inbound


Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 5:01 PM
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pass right at the endline set it all in motion. Don't forget, there was no replay review of the shot, and the shot did not leave his hand before 00.0. There was no way a player could take a full court pass, jump to catch it and have to make a 180 degree turn to get off a clean shot in under 1 second, which eventually lead to the whole tenths of a second... the shot should not have counted, but the defense was played the way it was instructed, go for the ball on the pass but commit no foul... And I have always contended that Elden should have pressed the inbound pass at the line instead of giving Scott Burrell room to heave it...

https://youtu.be/LCiW200g1TI

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Posted: Jan 3, 2021, 12:39 PM
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Those were the 2 teams that came to my mind as well. I think the 90 team had better individual players but I think the 97 team played better together.

I still have not accepted the UConn loss. Only 0.6 seconds went off the clock to gather the missed FT and George jumped, caught the ball, turned and shot in 1.0. That clock operator had the reflexes of an octogenarian.

That being said I am not going to say Judge is wrong yet. This is the first team that I have been excited about in quite a while. I think Simms is the best player that we have had in a while. We have a good combination of guards and big men, as well as veterans and youth who will not play their best until the end of the season.

Judge, I think that you are jumping the gun a little but I've taken worse bets.

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Jumping the gun would’ve been if I declared that this team is, without a doubt, our best ever.

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Posted: Jan 3, 2021, 12:48 PM
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I simply said that it might be our best ever, and I clarified it by also stating that it’s still early in the season.

I’m not sure why some people here (not you) take such statements so personally and can’t seem to wait to mention other great Clemson teams. Of course we’ve had some other good teams, and this current team will need to accomplish a lot to be in that discussion. We have a long way to go, but I think it’s very possible.

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Re: Jumping the gun would’ve been if I declared that this team is, without a doubt, our best ever.


Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 11:53 AM
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What are you drinking, Judge? Many CU MBB team fans need some quickly. Have you checked out the results of the last 5 games they have played? Grit is missing and so are the 'smarts'.

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Campbell, Davis, Forrest, Cash, Howling


Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:26 AM
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Two long-time NBA greats on that team, deep run in the tournament (fluky last-second play by an outstanding UCONN team kept us out of the elite 8), competitive at the top of the ACC when the overall talent in the ACC was MUCH MUCH better than it is now.

THAT'S the best Clemson team. This year's team may be Brownell's best. Excellent start this season.
Let's see how they finish.

Just wondering... how old are you? Do you have any recollection of guys like Horace Grant and Larry Nance playing at Clemson?

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That was a great team in 1989-1990.


Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:37 AM
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Unfortunately, that season's NCAA Tournament wins were vacated due to NCAA sanctions. So it's debatable as to whether or not that team should be part of this discussion.

We certainly can't leave out the 1997 Sweet Sixteen team, which also narrowly missed out on a chance to go to the Elite Eight.

And of course, the 1980 Elite Eight team was our best in terms of how far they advanced. Nance was part of that team.

I think you're confusing star players with excellent teams. Horace was a great player - arguably the best in a Clemson uniform - but that 1987 team was a huge disappointment, losing in the first round to #13 Southwest Missouri State.

You seem to be of the belief that no current team can possibly be as good as some of the teams from the 1980s, based on your perception of the ACC then versus now. If so, it doesn't sound like you'll ever be able to objectively view teams from this era.

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Wrong, CBB


Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:52 AM
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That is incorrect. A current team could CERTAINLY be as good or better than any team we've put on the court in the history of Clemson basketball. And if you can recruit players like Horace Grant, Dale Davis, Larry Nance and Elden Campbell, and if you can surround those NBA-caliber players with a supporting cast capable of playing at the level of teams we saw under Bill Foster, Cliff Ellis and Rick Barnes, I will be the first to sing your praises.

Overall, ACC basketball today is a dim shadow of what it once was under those previous coaches. If you are EVER going to raise up a Clemson basketball team to ascendency in this league, NOW is the time. Let's see if you can get it done.

Like I said, so far so good for this year's team. Let's see how they finish.

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Re: That was a great team in 1989-1990.


Posted: Jan 3, 2021, 5:44 PM
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Unfortunately, that season's NCAA Tournament wins were vacated due to NCAA sanctions. So it's debatable as to whether or not that team should be part of this discussion.

We certainly can't leave out the 1997 Sweet Sixteen team, which also narrowly missed out on a chance to go to the Elite Eight.

And of course, the 1980 Elite Eight team was our best in terms of how far they advanced. Nance was part of that team.

I think you're confusing star players with excellent teams. Horace was a great player - arguably the best in a Clemson uniform - but that 1987 team was a huge disappointment, losing in the first round to #13 Southwest Missouri State.

You seem to be of the belief that no current team can possibly be as good as some of the teams from the 1980s, based on your perception of the ACC then versus now. If so, it doesn't sound like you'll ever be able to objectively view teams from this era.


You do remember that Grayson Marshall badly sprained his ankle right before the ACC tournament. This moved Michael Tait from his natural position of shooting guard to point, hurting us in two ways. Had Grayson stayed healthy that team would have went deeper in the NCAA’s

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Exactly,

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Posted: Feb 4, 2021, 10:51 AM
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and it's not even remotely close.

This year's squad isn't in the top 10 of all-time, and not even as good as our Devoe led NCAA team.

She's nuts. Like a lot women, Judge let's her emotions do her talking ????

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Posted: Feb 4, 2021, 4:19 PM
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The 1979-1980 team was the best team. We got to the Final 8

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:36 AM
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and should have gone to the Final Four. We lost to UCLA in the Final 8 game, and UCLA was found to be in violation of NCAA recruiting rules, and had to forfeit all NCAA Tourney wins. We beat UNC at home, when they had Jordan, Worthy and Perkins.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:54 AM
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Yep...for me the 79/80 was best ever. Undefeated at home when the ACC was the REAL ACC. Beat number 1 Duke at LJ. 89/90, 86/87 and 96/97 were also good. I like this year's team but not ready to put them in the category of those 4 teams yet.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 12:35 PM
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Until someone duplicates that feat, the 79-80 team has to be considered the best. But this team is impressive and has potential. I would have loved to have had a healthy, aggressive Hunter Tyson all year. He was showing great improvement.

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Posted: Dec 31, 2020, 10:04 PM
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Is Tyson out for year?

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Posted: Jan 2, 2021, 2:06 AM
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No I don't think so but I saw on here that he had facial fracture and was to be fitted for a mask. I question whether he will be as aggressive under those circumstances. It would be understandable if he were not.

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Re: The 1979-1980 team was the best team. We got to the Final 8


Posted: Jan 3, 2021, 5:45 PM
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and should have gone to the Final Four. We lost to UCLA in the Final 8 game, and UCLA was found to be in violation of NCAA recruiting rules, and had to forfeit all NCAA Tourney wins. We beat UNC at home, when they had Jordan, Worthy and Perkins.


Jordan wasn’t on that team.

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Posted: Jan 1, 2021, 8:06 AM
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We had teams under Bill Foster and Cliff Ellis that may have been more talented and certainly achieved more than our current team has achieved. Rick Barnes had a couple of excellent teams that the current one has not yet matched. I don't think it is appropriate to try to judge a team before January arrives.

Foster's 1979 (?) team went 23-7 and lost in a regional final. Ellis had teams that went 25-6 and 26-9 against very stiff competition. The 26-9 team won the ACC regular season and sent Horace Grant onto a long and successful pro career.

I'd love it if the current team was as successful as those teams.

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Posted: Jan 1, 2021, 8:25 AM
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to you for the purposes of discussion.

Obviously we won’t know until after the season how this team stacks up against other teams we have had. That goes without saying.

I don’t see any harm in evaluating what we have seen so far at this point, and discussing the team’s potential.

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The Sugar Bowl is in two days...

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:16 AM
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FOCUS!

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I already had plenty of sugar during the holidays.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:18 AM
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Thanks though.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:19 AM
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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:21 AM
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I wear oxfords, not loafers.

HTH.

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What happened Friday night is a prime example of what...

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Posted: Jan 4, 2021, 10:37 AM
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happens when fans don't focus. And while I don't think we can blame JK entirely for the loss, he's certainly responsible for a large portion of it.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:20 AM
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Not going to speculate as to the best ever, but I did notice something very telling last night.

Our depth and suffocating defense absolutely wore FSU completely out. The last 10 minutes of the game you would see FSU settle for lazy shots, throw much less crisp passes, give up hustle baskets to Clemson, and most of all get out rebounded. FSU was gassed halfway through the second half.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:44 AM
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yep very dp with lots of weapons to wear tams down for sure

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:21 AM
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But the defense does seem much more aggressive. This team seems to have a bit more fight in them.

I have only been able to watch 3 of their games so far.....but I will keep watching.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:24 AM
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Pretty solid team top to bottom with no drop off with whoever is on the floor. Best part may be that the ACC might be a smidgen down this year.

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Any word on when Hunter Tyson will be back?


Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:28 AM
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nm

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I believe it will be a few more weeks.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:39 AM
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That knee to the head caused a fracture.

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Re: I believe it will be a few more weeks.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 12:40 PM
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Tyson got his special protective mask to wear over the weekend and was wearing it last night. Might be ready in one week rather than two.

Regarding your comments about the Horace Grant senior season team. That team was extremely talented. If PG Grayson Marshall didn't hurt late in the season that team would have gone extremely far in the NCAAT.

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Dang, didn't know that. Hope for a speedy recovery then.


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Hunter was having his best game, do you thing knee was


Posted: Jan 1, 2021, 12:14 AM
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on purpose. That was the second or third straight game where he may have been the best player on the court.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:31 AM
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Definitely one of the deepest teams we've ever had. Not the best top end talent we've ever had. The Elden Campbell/Dale Davis Sweet 16 team was the best we've ever had IMO. This team has great chemistry, though, and a down year in the ACC opens the door for a special season. PJ Hall is going to be incredible before he leaves if he can stay healthy.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:40 AM
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But this team has more talent top to bottom in my opinion.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:34 AM
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Is this a reflection of Dabo coaching Brownlee in the offseason?

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:41 AM
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Dabo's success in football causes basketball players to want to come to Clemson, because they don't actually care about basketball, but about football and being in the presence of superstar football players and coaches. Plus, Dabo also taught Brad how to recruit and coach. Thankfully, Brad has been taking notes and can now draw up plays and talk to players like a normal human being.

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IMO, this team

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Posted: Jan 1, 2021, 6:33 AM
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has the most depth of any Clemson BB Team I’ve seen since I started watching in the early 80’s and it’s not even close.

Three things that stand out to me about this team.
* Balance of players scoring
* Defensive rebounding
* Defensive takeaways

It’s gonna be a fun season to watch! Go Tigers!

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:35 AM
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Take a look at the era of Tree Rollins--Stan Rome and the best guard we ever had {although only for a short time } Skip Wise -- yea -- I'm an oldtimer!

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:41 AM
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We have had several good teams in the past. This team seems different than those of the past for some reason. They can play.

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 11:48 AM
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From an entire team standpoint, I agree. What I am excited about is normally BB coached teams are better as the year goes along. You can see the young players are really getting better, Prosper is really starting to show he can really play, and Hall will continue to grow as well. If Trapp can consistently play like he did last night, this team will not only finish in the upper half of the league, they'll be a top 10-15 team in the country. As mentioned in the thread, the 89-90, 96-97 teams were good, but those teams did not have the functional depth that this team has. Cautiously Optimistic!!

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Posted: Dec 30, 2020, 12:39 PM
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Oh good grief.

They’ve played TWO ACC games, and are 1-1. This team could be special but you might want to pump the brakes just a little.

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Posted: Jan 1, 2021, 12:29 AM
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Shocked by your response Superfan*

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Posted: Jan 1, 2021, 7:27 AM
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I clearly stated in the title of my post that this MIGHT be our best team ever. I didn’t guarantee it, and I didn’t recommend that anyone bet their life savings on us winning the national championship this year.

I simply stated that I like what I see in this team and am excited to watch them the remainder of the season. Based on what I’ve seen this year, I believe that this team can be special. The fact that you or anyone else here has a problem that speaks to your own issues with Clemson basketball. Please get help. This is supposed to be fun.

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My take on the strengths you have described:

Unparalleled depth: Agree; thanks to Coach BB for developing the talent. Most of them are equally talented but no sure fire NBA players. I believe Simms has an outside chance.

Aggressive defense; Strongly agree; strong defense has been a trademark of ALL Coach BB teams but this team is special because of so many talented guards. Depth allows us to keep the minutes between 20-25 for each player and they can wear the other team out by their full court press for 40 minutes.

Many shooters and scorers: Neutral; yes there are many shooters but scorers? Dawes and Sims are the only players who have a chance to get 20 points in a game.

Nice balance of veteran leadership and youth: Strongly agree

And of course, Clemson grit: Agree; I would like to say that all teams who have played for Coach BB, good or bad, had Clemson grit.

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Posted: Jan 1, 2021, 12:32 AM
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What is truly interesting about the potential of this team is Simms. If Brownell can finally get him to play smarter and better discipline he would produce for the starting lineup every game. Right now the bench production is making the difference, but get more minutes with Simms not playing with foul trouble and this team could be scary good.

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Posted: Jan 1, 2021, 12:28 AM
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would have won that one. So glad BB told him to play like he does in practice. Now, in every game, him playing like that, the big men rebounding, Amir playing point power forward, and playing great defense really makes us look really good.. Also, Trapp and Al Dawes, clutch, make us have a great 3 man guards. Chase Hunter looked greatly improved. Newman is a Tiger off the bench and Baehre is making some good plays with his long arms.. Hall looks like he is going to be really good as the season goes on. Hemenway has that 3 pt. shot down, when the other players are not hitting. And let's not forget O Prosper, he has a lot of promise and is a hustler too. Yes, I think we can make it to the sweet 16 especially if Tyson comes back. as strong as he was playing. Definitely the most fun team to watch in years. I like the way Brownell is telling them to "ATTACK, KEEP ATTACKING" TIGERS.

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Posted: Jan 1, 2021, 1:51 AM
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The team has a lot of potential, but it has some strong competition for “best ever” ...

Check back in March.

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I’m not sure why that precludes a discussion about the many positives we’ve seen this year and the potential that exists.

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I think our sweet 16 team with Mitchell, Reed, DeVoe, and Thomas would have been the best I have seen if Grantham didnt get hurt. The teams with Booker and Rivers were pretty dang talented as well. This team certainly has a chance to be great tho. Not sure our guards are as good as Mitchell and Reed but we have great depth. Our front court also has great depth. I would deff say this is our deepest team. We have good talent all around and Simms is dang good but we dont have a star like Blossengame, Booker, or McDaniels imo.

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Posted: Jan 1, 2021, 5:07 AM
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Where is Skip Wise now?

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Posted: Jan 3, 2021, 12:14 PM
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Not sure where Skip is today, but the one Tiger team he played on lost in the first round of the NIT.

If that team could have stayed intact a couple of more years it might have been our best ever.

Well never know.

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Posted: Jan 4, 2021, 10:57 AM
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What would Simms have to do to be considered a collegiate star to you? The dude was preseason first team all conference, and he's WAY more efficient than Blossomgame was during his senior season, in nearly every statistical measure.

Minutes Per Game
Simms = 25.1
Blossomgame = 34.3

Shooting Percentage
Simms = 61%
Blossomgame = 50%

3-Pt Shooting Percentage
Simms = 50%
Blossomgame = 26%

FT Shooting Percentage
Simms = 83%
Blossomgame = 71%

Points Per 40 Minutes
Simms = 20.9
Blossomgame = 20.6

Rebounds Per 40 Minutes
Simms = 9.1
Blossomgame = 7.3

Assists Per 40 Minutes
Simms = 3.5
Blossomgame = 1.7

Steals Per 40 Minutes
Simms = 1.8
Blossomgame = 0.9

Blocks Per 40 Minutes
Simms = 1.3
Blossomgame = 1.0

It bothers me to see various posters not recognizing Simms as a star. He is. And he's apparently very underappreciated, especially considering the leadership qualities he adds, for which he is complemented heavily by coaches.

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Gotta say I agree with Judge. Believe that we have veterans athleticism and depth. We also make plays in the clutch. Excited to see what this team can do.

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Posted: Jan 3, 2021, 10:47 PM
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LOL. This team has the one trait of all Brownell teams. too streaky. We go through long stretches not being able to score. We are being set up once again only to be let down.

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Posted: Jan 3, 2021, 11:05 PM
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let's not get all sticky down there just yet, that is a bold prediction.

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Posted: Jan 4, 2021, 10:44 AM
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I like this team, but I wouldn't go that far. It's too early.

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Re: This might be the best basketball team we've ever had.


Posted: Jan 4, 2021, 11:51 AM
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I just worry about our ability to hit jumpers when needed. This team certainly has a good chance of doing incredible things thisnywar though

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Looks like someone was drinking a lot of koolaid a few weeks

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Posted: Jan 16, 2021, 9:33 PM
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ago

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Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 12:33 PM
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I said it might be our best team ever.

I said it’s obviously still early.

And I said we still have a lot of conference games left to play.

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This year’s team did turn out special

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Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 1:49 PM
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Just not the way you meant it

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You seem happy about it.


Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 1:50 PM
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You are clearly a Clemson basketball troll.

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You are one of the few happy with this season

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Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 2:27 PM
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The rest of us are complaining and wanting change. You just keep a Pollyanna face on the coaching and cool with the mediocre results year after year.

Now go complain about football and our fans so that you feel better.

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Yes, I was quite happy with this season when we were 9-1.


Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 9:43 PM
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I’m quite disappointed with our 1-4 record recently. I’ve never posted otherwise over the last few weeks.

I haven’t see anyone here who is happy about the recent results. We all want to see our program succeed. Some of us are willing to see what happens the rest of the year. I’m not sure why you aren’t, other than the fact that you are happier complaining and criticizing than you are supporting the team.

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You seem happy about it.


Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 1:50 PM
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You are clearly a Clemson basketball troll.

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Re: This might be the best basketball team we've ever had.

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Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 12:31 PM
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Epic fail !

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It’s sad that you seem to take so much pleasure in your post.


Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 12:35 PM
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Are you actually a Clemson basketball fan, or just a troll?

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Re: It’s sad that you seem to take so much pleasure in your post.

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Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 12:41 PM
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Kid I have forgotten more about Clemson BB than you will ever know

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Okay


Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 1:51 PM
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TROLL

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Wow...are people still using this dumb saying???


Posted: Feb 1, 2021, 5:20 AM
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Like...why did you forget it all? That’s not good.

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FIFY

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Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 1:06 PM
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-Unparalleled depth
-Aggressive defense
-Many shooters and scorers

-Nice balance of veteran leadership and youth
-And of course, Clemson grit

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Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 3:15 PM
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I think you hit the nail on the head.

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Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 3:21 PM
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What happen?

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Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 6:37 PM
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btw, with the R feature you can edit your earlier post

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Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 8:48 PM
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to make all the commenters look like they're out of their minds going after you.

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I stand by my post. It was very appropriate at the time.

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Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 9:45 PM
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I’m not going to edit it. If they want to resurrect a weeks old post to criticize, that’s their problem.

I’m living rent free in some of their heads. It’s hilarious!

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Talent wise individual you may have argument..


Posted: Jan 31, 2021, 10:08 PM
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Not sure that is true either, but we are not good team and we have zero excitement within our troop. I made this argument probably 6yrs ago that while CBB is a great guy, knows basketball, I could see us drinking a beer together, but he seems to lack the motivation factor that just leaks out of Dabo.

But team wise, we are terrible. But Elden and Dale teams were best I have seen at Clemson personally. We camped for Basketball tix back in those days.

But the teams with Booker, Ogelsby, Jerai Grant, KJ Mc, KC Rivers, Stitt, and Hammonds, those guys may have lacked the exact individual talent or let's say stars because that comes from other ppl opinions!!! But as far as teams, the guys above were a better team. They motivated eachother way better where there seems to be zero motivation except Simmons needs to be excluded. He is the only one with emotion, shaking fist, yelling and motivating his team. The other guys just seem to migrate through the motions.

Our team play sucks. I can't help but to point at the leader. If we got a good quality coach for 2021-22, and were able to keep players out of portal, I think we would give a new guy a great starting point. Unfortunately Simmons will be gone but it's time to make us better. No one thought we could be top 5 team nationally in football for a decade, no reason we can't be top 25 team nationally in Basketball. I love what Butler is doing, why can't we build our men's and give Butler more support as she seems to be great.

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Posted: Feb 1, 2021, 7:28 AM
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-Unparalleled depth.
>> okay?

-Aggressive defense
>> okay

-Many shooters and scorers.
>> sporadic shooters at best but not many true scorers.

-Nice balance of veteran leadership and youth.
>> other than Simms (most nights), who are the leaders?

-And of course, clemson grit.
>> grit as in tough yes but not in confidence. Inconsistent confidence and funks are a mainstay of the program, leading to medicrity at best year in and year out.

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Posted: Feb 1, 2021, 11:00 AM
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Ya know, we know...

This team could get hot again during the ACC tourney and we leave the champs. Then what?

I am an optimist.

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Posted: Feb 6, 2021, 3:22 AM
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so SURELY we will beat a down Syracuse team at home right?***


Posted: Feb 6, 2021, 3:21 AM
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How down do you think Syracuse is?


Posted: Feb 6, 2021, 10:24 AM
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They are 10-5 overall, .500 in the ACC (4-4), and have a nice win over Virginia Tech. They are 9-1 at home.

They are a good team this year. A likely NCAA Tournament team IMO. Getting them in Littlejohn will be nice, but it will still be a tough game.

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