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So...if the CFP involved 8-teams...

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 2:24 PM
 

based on the 12/15/20 CFB rankings, here is how the match-ups would look:

(1) Alabama v. (8) Georgia

(2) Notre Dame v. (7) Florida

(3) Clemson v. (6) Iowa State

(4) OcryO State v. (5) Texas A&M

Of course, the winner of the Bama/Georgia game would play the winner of the OcryO State/A&M game, while the winner of the Clemson/ISU game would face the winner of the BeeBee Head/Gator match-up.

What say ye?

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 2:27 PM
 



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There hasn't been any controversy in the CFP picks yet


Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 3:08 PM
 

why create any?

They have nailed it every year.

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Meh

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 2:28 PM
 

Bama would murder georgia, as, you know, they already did once this season, Clemson would kill Iowa State, Dame and UF might be intriguing but only because neither of them are elite IMO. Cry me a river state would probably destroy A&M.

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I'm for expansion because it gets more buyin

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 2:33 PM
 

from other fan bases and regions.

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Who cares?

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 2:36 PM
 

Seriously....why does that matter? Sounds like the give everyone a trophy mentality! Well, youre not good enough to actually make the playoff on merit, so we'll just make it bigger so we can be inclusive of others. Good grief I miss the days before all this political correct BS.

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Re: Who cares?

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 2:43 PM
 



I think you missed it.


It wasn't about expanding the "winner" but rather about expanding participation.

In 2014 you had a team take a 14 point beating at home against a team that would later finish 6-7 for the season. You had another team lose by 3 on a last sec fg on the road. Both had identical records. One was TCU and the other was 31-0. One team got knocked out because their conference were idiots. Merit, sure but with the committee it is subjective. The more you take the "eye test" out and just use champions or record, then move from there.

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I'm all for a 6 team playoff with conference champs...


Posted: Dec 19, 2020, 8:12 AM
 

and the group of 5 best. But when you open it up to 8+ it will just be extra SEC teams. Kinda like this year's T A&M, UGA, and UF.

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Re: I'm for expansion because it gets more buyin


Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 5:31 PM
 

37,

Agree wholeheartedly. Top twenty teams and their fan bases should be more engaged throughout the year - with the increased chance of making the playoffs and pulling off the upset.

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Re: I'm for expansion because it gets more buyin


Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 7:40 PM
 

If you are going to change, how about the 5 power conference winners plus 1 wildcard team. 1 and 2 get byes and the other 4 teams play for the semifinal game. Total of five games.

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Re: I'm for expansion because it gets more buyin


Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 10:40 PM
 

I just think that a bye gives too much of an advantage.

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Re: So...if the CFP involved 8-teams...

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 2:34 PM
 

BigCUFan® said:

based on the 12/15/20 CFB rankings, here is how the match-ups would look:

(1) Alabama v. (8) Georgia

(2) Notre Dame v. (7) Florida

(3) Clemson v. (6) Iowa State

(4) OcryO State v. (5) Texas A&M

Of course, the winner of the Bama/Georgia game would play the winner of the OcryO State/A&M game, while the winner of the Clemson/ISU game would face the winner of the BeeBee Head/Gator match-up.

What say ye?



Give me Cincinnati at 8 and it's a deal.

Glad we are moving toward playoff expansion soon ??????

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Re: So...if the CFP involved 8-teams...

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 2:36 PM
 

No.

If it would move to the 8 team format, it would not be chosen by a committee the same way.

First, there would be a Power 5 AUTOMATIC qualifier for their conference champions. It will not fly in your example that a PAC12 team would be excluded (especially undefeated USC if they win) while Iowa State 2 loses are included.

Next, there would have to be a group-of-5 highest ranked, etc automatic bd, if not two if the AAC/INDY gets an auto bid and then the other Gof5 get an automatic big.

Thus you would have two at-large spots.


Thus the committee would be more about seeding and selecting the two at-large bigs. Thus I think it would look like this (conference champ/autobid starred*):

(1) Alabama* v. (8) Cincy*
(2) Clemson* v. (7) Iowa State*
(3) 31-0* v. (6) A&M
(4) Notre Dame v. (5) USC*

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That would seem to be the most feasible format***


Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 3:02 PM
 



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Re: So...if the CFP involved 8-teams...


Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 5:33 PM
 

Doc,

I like that, too.

You may be right about the automatics, but it doesn't HAVE to be that way. When we expand we could choose to have those autos - or not.

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 2:46 PM
 

you might the 3 sec teams right

but it would be 5 long champs however determined and then at large


a chance for a little guy to get in there

Coastal ...

or whoever


I would say they should limit the number of teams from same conf to 2, 1 of which is the champ

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Notice cincy and coastal still out

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 2:51 PM
 

So why expand?

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Re: Notice cincy and coastal still out


Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 5:34 PM
 

Gee,

Iowa State and Texas A&M

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4 teams works great. IMO, if it was expanded, go to 12 or 16.


Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 2:59 PM
 

The only reason to expand in my opinion is to get the Non P 5 teams involved. So expand to 16 games...eliminate one regular season game (never happen and not entirely necessary but would be nice for those programs that make it to the last couple rounds), let each conference champ get in and 6 at-large and then seed them. Or do 12 with two at large and the top four get a bye.

If an expansion doesn’t end the “some teams have no shot at the championship at the beginning of the season” issue, don’t bother.

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Re: 4 teams works great. IMO, if it was expanded, go to 12 or 16.


Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 5:35 PM
 

swarley,

Too many games for kids to have to play.

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That’s why I would suggest eliminating a regular season game.


Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 7:02 PM
 

Then the vast majority of teams play one less game (or do what the Big Ten is doing this year and have each team play a final seeded game in conference...it would allow everyone to play 12 games but for the two playing for the conf championship, that would be their 12th game). Then the first round would have 16 teams playing their 13th game, the next round would have 8 teams play their 14th game and the next round would have 4 teams play their 15th. That’s as much as we ask the championship game participants to play. The two teams would have to play too more. Not too bad.

I’m not saying I prefer this...I’m just saying that if we have to extend the CFP to a larger group, make it mean something and get the smaller conferences a seat at the table. It would drastically improve the involvement of those conferences.

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Re: That’s why I would suggest eliminating a regular season game.


Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 10:37 PM
 

Swarley,

I am all for more involvement from more conferences - and the group of five.

I do worry about competitiveness - # 16 vs #1 etc. If those games were blowouts it might have a counterproductive effect.

And I wonder if teams would be motivated to play games on the same day that their conference championships were being played.

But I am willing to try some of this if it really leads to better and better distributed competition.

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Re: So...if the CFP involved 8-teams...

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 3:05 PM
 

I say lets get back to normal, if there is such a thing.
Play 12 games, a Conference Championship, and the CFP's. Total 15 games.
At some future point, you play 10 conference games, one ooc game,a conference championship game then 4 games involving the top 8 teams,4 winners advance, then the 2 finalist play for the title.
Should be the same 15 games.

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Re: So...if the CFP involved 8-teams...


Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 5:37 PM
 

leftie,

Agree, but i would rather see 9 conference and 2 ooc games. There are lots of ooc rivalries that should be preserved.

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There are typically 2-3 great teams...

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 3:10 PM
 

and the leading second tier team gets in. No need to let 4 more second tier teams in.

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 3:23 PM
 

"play-in" game for the 4th seed I'd be fine with that. Otherwise leave it at four teams.

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Just to be clear, I am not advocating an 8-team format

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 3:15 PM
 

This was merely for kicks and giggles.

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Re: Just to be clear, I am not advocating an 8-team format


Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 3:39 PM
 

+1

Actually, I think it would nearly be good for a lot of the Group of Five to quasi-split format/divisions/conferences. Nearly go to the FCS format of sorts... or really more like soccer tournament qualifying. I think THAT would put a lot more pressure on the P5 to start including better Gof5 teams.

Each group of 5 goes into six team "pods" based on geography. The top two/three teams in each grouping then play each other. For example,

AAC is now N/S (and assumes 6 teams - per pod), top two team advances. Assume

They play (assumed record): North Cincy 5-0 Memphis 4-1 vs Tulsa 4-1, UCF 4-1. Each play the opposite side teams (no rematch but head to head records are the tie breaker). Again, the top two teams advance. Thus is Cincy goes 0-2, Tulsa goes 2-0 and UCF and Memphis are 1-1 but Memphis holds the tie breaker and advances.

You leave conference play in 7 games with guaranteed high-quality matches mid season..

Meanwhile, the same thing is also happening in other Gof5 conferences/formats.

Thus we have per-described second round opponent tie-in or begin bracket play. (pref if geographically focused). Thus the top two of each conference/pod would then start play.

So if we continue with pods, we would see Tulsa and Memphis play Conference USA's UAB and Marshall. Lets say Tulsa and Marshall advance.

They have played 9 games. Now, they play the winners of the Mountain West/Sunbelt pairing in a seeded bracket.

Winner has played 11 games. Thus you even allow scheduling with a Power 5 as an OOC game.

Yeah, the losers would just schedule in a losers "bracket" or similar. I know I left out all the MACTION or Indies but just insert them as needed.

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Re: So...if the CFP involved 8-teams...


Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 5:28 PM
 

I'm Ok with those matchups but the 8 team format would be even better after this weekend - with ND and Florida falling a bit and Iowa State having to further prove themselves.

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Re: So...if the CFP involved 8-teams...

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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 10:30 PM
 

How does 2-loss Iowa State get in over Coastal.
We do have a point of comparison; Coastal best the Louisiana team that destroyed Iowa state.

There’s no credibility in the CFP rankings outside of the top 5.

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4 of 8 are SEC...THAT is why we don't need an 8 team playoff***


Posted: Dec 19, 2020, 8:08 AM
 



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