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Orange Blooded [3981]
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Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 10:42 PM
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What does this guy have to do to start feeling some heat? Murder? Sleep with Dabo’s wife?
It’s like he is untouchable. He called a D game Saturday and at some point needs to provide solutions
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Well...
Sep 10, 2018, 10:51 PM
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he's safe another week as the Tigers won.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 10:52 PM
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so 14-1, 14-1 and a natty, 12-2 and 2-0 just aint quite good enough for you huh. smfh
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:02 PM
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Great record yes but winning on superior talent for the most part. It's fair to question their play calling after a mediocre offensive performance like we saw Saturday night. Best is now the standard and certain coaches should be held accountable.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:23 PM
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I find it incredibly hard to believe that some of you goobers are actually Clemson fans. really hard
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They are Coots.***
Oct 6, 2018, 8:25 AM
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BEST is the standard. Didn't see the best play calling
Sep 10, 2018, 11:26 PM
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against Texas A&M.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:35 PM
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He seems to call plays that feature KB's strengths, but the QB run game is not the strongest feature of our offense.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 12:03 AM
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Well Tony Elliott was named the best assistant coach in the country last season.
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110%er [4090]
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Ok good point and you are correct you have
Sep 11, 2018, 7:15 AM
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the right to question our play-calling. However Texas A&M played a great game defensively and they had quite a few backing them in the stands as well.
I would like to see more carries for our talented backfield and better use of our Tight Ends. However it seemed to me those Aggies were quick and all they needed was a turnover to turn the tide their way .
We avoided that in a very hostile environment so I give our offense credit for protecting the ball. Also going for it on fourth and one on the road in that environment is not conservative but it blew up in our face. Still a gutsy call.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:02 PM
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I think we all agree the record is great. We do however have better talent than 98% of the teams we face. It's crazy to say the word fired, but the play calling has been kind of a head scratcher. I'm just not sure what the identity of our offense is. It's clear we arent committed to any type of a run game. So if we're a passing offense, why not have the better passer at QB?
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:26 PM
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Explain how you think it’s clear we’re not committed to the run game? There were 27 passing attempts and 32 rushing attempts on Saturday night.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:38 PM
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We seem to be committed to QB runs. I do not think our QB necessarily is our best runner, but he seems very adept at r.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:41 PM
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I really don think anyone would be OK with Firing Tony bc he is a good coach. But I would be ok with giving Scott or Streeter a try at making most of the calls and in charge of making up the offensive game plan. Heck I would be OK with both of them together coming up with an offensive game plan with one of them in the coaches box up top. Switch it up to see if we get different results!!!
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A couple of points ...
Oct 5, 2018, 4:42 PM
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Personnel-wise Clemson is better than 100% of pre-playoff teams we will face. Secondly, TE is blessed with superior talent but still learning the job. He is not Chris Peterson or Jimbo Fisher. There is room for improvement and no mentor for TE. Also concur TE and Dabo need to and will adapt Offense to blend TL vertical passing and massive ETN skill sets. Everyone gets a pass on last week’s flatness and injuries. It was a tough week for team and coaches. Go Tigers!
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:32 PM
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That was all DW4, and we know that he would change plays at the L O S!!!
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:41 PM
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My gosh some of you...When things go well, which they have 99% of the time it’s because of the talent. The 1% of the time it doesn’t it’s because of the coaches?
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Excellent reply deroberts!! How spoiled
Sep 11, 2018, 7:05 AM
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some fans have become in such a short period! I believe Dabo prefers getting conservative down the stretch to hold a lead and with our defense I can see why. But if it is Elliott look where we were a decade ago or even better two decades!! How many OC's did Tommy West go through? Thanks for defending Elliott!
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Re: Excellent reply deroberts!! How spoiled
Sep 11, 2018, 7:24 AM
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I SURE DIDNT LIKE THE 3 AND OUT AT THE END OF THE GAME BUT TO COMPLAIN ABOUT TONY OR JEFF WITH THE RESULTS THEY HAVE HAD IS JUST PLAIN IDIOTIC.
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He calls games based on the talent availble to him.
Oct 5, 2018, 5:25 PM
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When DW was the QB, he called great games.
When Kelly was the QB, his play calling was limited.
Last week with the 3rd string QB who wasn't really prepared to play, he called a game that helped us get the W.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:18 PM
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you are an idiot
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:50 PM
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It takes one to call out another as one, and I would bet my life that you wouldn't call me an idiot to my face bc there is two things that I can absolutely promise that I'm not, that's scared or afraid!!!
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:56 PM
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Did you seriously just pull out the internet tough guy “you wouldn’t say that to me in real life” line?
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Orange Blooded [2638]
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I hate responses like that
Sep 10, 2018, 11:58 PM
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What a cop out. He thinks your ideas are rubbish. He didn't call you scared nor afraid. He also probably would never do so to your face -- because that would be as idiotic as some of your ideas.
Get better ideas. If that doesn't work, don't stop being an a$$ - it may work out for you, there's a market for that.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:26 PM
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My son did not like the play calling in the second half for the first time. I think everything was going according to plan until the fumble on the goal line at the end of the first half on 4th down.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:28 PM
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What would you have called given their defensive scheme? And while you’re at it, can you explain their scheme, blitzing packages? With your knowledge of calling plays, please tell us all how you would have done it differently.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:39 PM
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1. I would start by not calling a WR screen every other play in the first half when that play has not worked outside of FCS opponents or OU in the past five years. 2. I would call an RB middle screen to slow the rush. Much like A&M did to us. 3. Run ETN right at them a bit more.
That all being said Elliott has been successful and I am a fan of his, but our offense needs to evolve and be more aggressive. The oline played like it did in the Bama game and no offensive play calling will overcome that. My question is when will Caldwell be held accountable.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:59 PM
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Wasn’t our first big play of the NC game against Bama off of a screen to Cain? Sure, the screens don’t always work, but I’d be willing to bet they work to pick up at least a few yards more often than losing yards.
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110%er [3728]
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 12:25 AM
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Your last question is the best question not being asked right now. I believe our challenges on offense have as much to do there as they do with the QB or playcalling.
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Game Changer [1969]
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 3:01 AM
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I agree on both Elliott and Caldwell. To me one of the best plays of the night was when Bryant changed the play at the LOS and hit Rodgers for a long gain. The play calling is vanilla and playing not to lose. The o line needs work and we aren’t successfully recruiting the position well enough to remain a top five team.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:41 PM
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I wouldn't have ran the same screens over and over again as well as refusing to throw the ball down the field when Lawrence was in. I also wouldn't have played conservative when the game should've been over in the first half.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 3:03 AM
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I agree. This game should have been over early. Someone will eventually pick 6 one of those WR screens because KB sometimes just floats them out there.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:31 PM
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I agree, his play calling has been bad since Watson left. And it showed against Alabama last year. That's right... it wasn't just KBs fault or the lines fault. It was also Elliot calling the same plays OVER AND OVER AGAIN. The offense has gotten to the point to where it's predictable and it showed against A&M again. Why do you run screens when you're throwing QB is in and then actually throw the ball down the field when the guy who can run the ball is in? You guys can say "we still won though" all you want but we were one badly called fumble away from losing. You can also say "well we won the ACC and made the playoff" but Watson was the only reason we one championship and until the play calling changes, we're gonna keep losing in the playoffs against teams that know what's coming every play like bama did.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:36 PM
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Surprised you know what happened two years ago since you bandwagoned in January of this year. Of course, two years ago is probably the reason you’re even here. Who did you cheer for before that?
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:43 PM
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"Welcome to tigernet guys, where if you have a different opinion with a well constructed argument, you're either a coot or a bandwagon fan."
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:46 PM
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LOL
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 12:04 AM
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Unfortunately true.
I'm totally okay with the criticism of the OCs. Just make it coherent. That said -- AM was all over our OL and we didn't seem to either be able to 1. recognize it or if we could 2. do anything about it.
Could a RB please make a block. I'm seeing way too many whiffs on blitzes by the RBs.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 12:31 AM
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You didn’t answer the question so I’ll take that as the answer. And we have different opinions of “well constructed arguments.”
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 6:11 AM
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You are correct. These arrogant, smug and condescending comments are far too often used with those who dare question ANYTHING! Using Dabo’s Words, last year was last year we are going forward. I am proud that Elliott won the Broyles award, kudos to him but that doesn’t mean a hill of beans this year. He is, to this point in the season, killing. Us! He needs to accept the mantra “Best is the standard “ and get his anemic, bland and one dimensional offense to that standard. So, I don’t give a crap about some of your comments about low pulses and being a coot troll, if you will just take an objective look at our two games, we aren’t a CFB playoff team yet. Your constant blind devotion isn’t doing anybody anything.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:52 PM
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Are we just going to pretend that we didn’t have over 400 yards of offense on the road in front of a 100k+ crowd, played a true freshman at QB for 1.5 quarters, and could’ve had over 500 yards had we not gotten conservative in the 4th? I think most of us agree we’d rather we not have been that conservative in the 4th, but that’s about a coaching preference to play it safe and protect the lead, not about an inability to call plays.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 10, 2018, 11:58 PM
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Well said and when the ball was thrown to the receivers correctly the screen worked well. The blocking was there in IMHO.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 12:02 AM
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We didn't get conservative in the 4th, we got conservative in the 2nd after we were up 14-3. And then that's when all the screens and run plays on 3rd and 5 came.
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Paw Warrior [5074]
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 12:13 AM
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Is that why we had 2 touchdowns in the 2nd half that were highlighted by a 50 yard pass downfield on one drive, and a 40 yard pass on the next?
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 12:17 AM
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Going for the kill shot on 4th at the goalline is conservative? What about the deep shots to Tee and Renfrow in the 3rd? Or what about the WR reverse pass in the third? Dear God do you people even think before making up bs?
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 12:24 AM
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When I said 2nd I meant 2nd quarter. I also said AFTER we were up 14-3. The deep shot to Tee was before they were up by 11. They didn't throw that ball to renfrow until the 3rd which is when A&M started coming back. I will give them credit for being aggressive on 4th and goal although I don't like the call to go under center which is something KB never runs.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 12:28 AM
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I can’t believe anyone would make a topic this idiotic
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This is one of the dumbest posts ever.
Sep 11, 2018, 12:28 AM
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You earned that TD.
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Why would tony want to sleep with Kathleen?...***
Sep 11, 2018, 1:14 AM
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 6:58 AM
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Long live the bubble screen----plays to KB's strength!
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 7:30 AM
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Bubble screens can work if they are blocked properly. Many of ours were not. You had 2 receivers blocking LB's safeties and corners. We did lack a short to intermediate passing game so there were 7-sometimes 8 in the box,However, rest assured our coaches are professionals. For every one thing we saw, they saw about 10. We won in spite of ourselves and a very good A&M team
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Game Changer [1749]
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 7:21 AM
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Just stop embarrassing yourself
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Dynasty Maker [3350]
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Re: Tony Elliott
Sep 11, 2018, 8:00 AM
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I thought Tony was honest and pretty gutsy to speak to TNET about the problems with our offense.
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This is a terrible thing to say.
Oct 5, 2018, 1:38 PM
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-1..
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Re: Tony Elliott
Oct 5, 2018, 2:09 PM
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I’ve not been a fan of his since we lost dw4 and even when we had him Elliot wouldn’t run with Gallman enough “sometimes.”
Last weekend Elliot called a great 2nd half EXCEPT the first drive. We ran up the middle all the way down field. Then he calls a sweep with amari, a screen that gets blown up and a sack to put us out of field goal range. Should’ve just kept running up the middle. But he did a good job as the game went on sticking with the run. Especially the final drive.
I’ve always said Elliot doesn’t establish the run to run. He establishes the run to throw off of it and he gets pass happy between the 40’s.
After seeing how we can pound the ball with all 3 backs, moving forward he’s got to continue to do this. If not then it will show he’s just too stubborn to learn. Seeing the depth chart add the HBackGarrett Williams makes me optimistic that he’s finally figured out we need to pound the ball over and over
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That will work well when we play a good defense...
Oct 5, 2018, 2:31 PM
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just like passing on every down would.
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Re: That will work well when we play a good defense...
Oct 5, 2018, 4:49 PM
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Well it’s a good thing that we don’t play a good defense this year until playoffs
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We play the best defense in the country...
Oct 5, 2018, 5:27 PM
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every week in practice.
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Re: We play the best defense in the country...
Oct 5, 2018, 5:42 PM
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Re: Tony Elliott
Oct 5, 2018, 2:10 PM
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I’ve not been a fan of his since we lost dw4 and even when we had him Elliot wouldn’t run with Gallman enough “sometimes.”
Last weekend Elliot called a great 2nd half EXCEPT the first drive. We ran up the middle all the way down field. Then he calls a sweep with amari, a screen that gets blown up and a sack to put us out of field goal range. Should’ve just kept running up the middle. But he did a good job as the game went on sticking with the run. Especially the final drive.
I’ve always said Elliot doesn’t establish the run to run. He establishes the run to throw off of it and he gets pass happy between the 40’s.
After seeing how we can pound the ball with all 3 backs, moving forward he’s got to continue to do this. If not then it will show he’s just too stubborn to learn. Seeing the depth chart add the HBackGarrett Williams makes me optimistic that he’s finally figured out we need to pound the ball over and over
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That will work well when we play a good defense...
Oct 5, 2018, 2:38 PM
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Just like passing on every down would.
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is a great man, and a great coach.***
Oct 5, 2018, 2:28 PM
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LAST YEAR
Oct 5, 2018, 2:53 PM
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HE WON THE NATIONAL ASSISTANT COACH OF THE YEAR AWARD!
I DON'T BELIEVE WE HAVE LOST A GAME SINCE HE WON IT!
I WOULD GUESS HE'LL HAVE TO DO A LOT MORE WRONG - WHATEVER THAT IS?
HE JUST WON A GAME WITH THE 5TH STRING QB IF NOT FOR DEFECTIONS!
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Re: Tony Elliott
Oct 5, 2018, 4:45 PM
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Well one thing they need to do is stop calling that fade every time we move the ball down to the 20-30.
It’s like we march the ball then get in the red zone and completely go away from what got us there.
On short yardage just line up and hand it off, too much time over thinking it.
We don’t have MW, MB and Nuk anymore they made those fades with DW throwing them.
Right now we just don’t have the type WRs that can go up catch it and stay in bounds.
Use the middle of the field that suits our players more.
I mean we have 2 awesome slot rec’s and tons of running backs, it’s not rocket science.
We need to move fast and just pick them a part.
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Re: Tony Elliott
Oct 5, 2018, 6:50 PM
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"Right now we just don’t have the type WRs that can go up catch it and stay in bounds".
huh?? oh wow.
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Dynasty Maker [3584]
TigerPulse: 85%
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Re: Tony Elliott
Oct 5, 2018, 8:55 PM
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Yes we have excellent WRs but tell me when was the last time we had one go up and make a circus catch on a fade.
I can’t remember any from last year or this season.
We have tried the fade in the EZ , down the side line just about every game.
The long passes we have hit our players were WIDE OPEN.
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Dynasty Maker [3122]
TigerPulse: 100%
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Re: Tony Elliott
Oct 6, 2018, 8:17 AM
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Our receivers can catch it, but the timing or throw has been just off the mark. It will come. Hopefully today all the wrinkles are ironed out and TL HAS learned his lesson about getting rid of the ball and we put it all together.
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Varsity [106]
TigerPulse: 92%
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Re: Tony Elliott
Oct 5, 2018, 6:48 PM
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I find it interesting that some fans simply do not understand how our coaches use strategy to win the games. Low-risk, high-reward style of O. The SU game was really the only game that we simply got behind to quickly and had to change our style. We can still go old-school, but Dabo & Co. have a better way. Watch closer young grasshoppah. You will learn - eventually.
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National Champion [7180]
TigerPulse: 100%
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Re: Tony Elliott
Oct 6, 2018, 9:01 AM
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I will say this so flame away, 1st NC under DW4, we loose but DW4 boat raced that vaulted Bama defense. All DW4 making changes at the LOS.
The second NC was much the same under DW4 but we won. All DW4. Now let’s move to last years playoff under KB/Elliott and no comparison in play or play calling. So I absolutely believe that DW4 made Elliott look all world.
The story will be how he performs against elite teams (not a down ACC) as they want face any until Championship football. But what kills me is all the speak that each and every team plays Clemson close, brings their A game with nothing to loose week in and week out. Does this not happen to Bama, Georgia, Ok, or the Bucknuts?
Because for the most part they dismantle teams that they should and dont let them hang around and get back into the game. I am retired military with a lot of combat missions all over and when you have your enemy beat down and about to quit, you sure don’t take the foot off the gas and give um a chance. Got to have that killer instinct for 60 full minutes to beat teams like Bama. Just my $.02.
Go Tigers beat Wake!
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National Champion [7180]
TigerPulse: 100%
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Re: Tony Elliott
Oct 6, 2018, 9:01 AM
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I will say this so flame away, 1st NC under DW4, we loose but DW4 boat raced that vaulted Bama defense. All DW4 making changes at the LOS.
The second NC was much the same under DW4 but we won. All DW4. Now let’s move to last years playoff under KB/Elliott and no comparison in play or play calling. So I absolutely believe that DW4 made Elliott look all world.
The story will be how he performs against elite teams (not a down ACC) as they want face any until Championship football. But what kills me is all the speak that each and every team plays Clemson close, brings their A game with nothing to loose week in and week out. Does this not happen to Bama, Georgia, Ok, or the Bucknuts?
Because for the most part they dismantle teams that they should and dont let them hang around and get back into the game. I am retired military with a lot of combat missions all over and when you have your enemy beat down and about to quit, you sure don’t take the foot off the gas and give um a chance. Got to have that killer instinct for 60 full minutes to beat teams like Bama. Just my $.02.
Go Tigers beat Wake!
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National Champion [7180]
TigerPulse: 100%
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Re: Tony Elliott***
Oct 6, 2018, 9:21 AM
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Better not speak the truth on TN or you get a thumbs down and called a Coot. It’s all Yahtzee and mities on here. Lol
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