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Ostarine appeal / breaking news

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 8:54 AM
 

It is my understanding that the ostarine appeal for Braden Galloway and Zach Giella was heard by the NCAA and a decision has been reached. It is also my understanding that the appeal has been denied. More info and a statement from the student-athletes in about 10 minutes

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crap.***


Posted: May 24, 2019, 8:55 AM
 



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Posted: May 24, 2019, 8:57 AM
 

?? I had high hopes when I first saw this. ??

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:03 AM
 

I COULD EASILY SEE CLEMSON FILING A LAWSUIT ON THIS NEWS. THE FREAKING NCAA LETS BASKETBALL CHEATING GO UNCHECKED AND DOES NOTHING. THIS IS TOTAL BS.

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Re: Ostarine appeal / breaking news

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:17 AM
 

It would just fan the flames and we always go the low key - dont rock the boat route. I wish we would stand up for ourselves but I just dont see it. I'm sure we looked but I never got the idea that we had a clue how they ingested this. Which means we can avoid where ever this came from. Yet deer antler U just skates along unschathed

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unfortunately I was expecting this. Too bad for those fellas.***

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:03 AM
 



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Beyond ridiculous! UNC walks amid their allegations

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:04 AM
 

yet, these guys get banned for a season for a "grain of sand in a sandbox" violation.

Can the NCAA be banned!?!?

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UNC's violations were academic, not athletic.***

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:09 AM
 



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Point taken, but the aggravation remains the same.***

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:12 AM
 



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Just a tad bit tied to athletes, no?***


Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:15 AM
 




But not exclusively to athletes, hence no athletic violation***

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:16 AM
 



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Not exclusively to athletes but nearly so.***


Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:21 AM
 




Ok...

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:32 AM
 

I'm telling you why it wasn't an athletic violation in the eyes of the NCAA. I didn't make the decision, not sure why you are arguing with me. If you would like more information, go read the report. If you disagree with the findings, send an email to the NCAA.

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So we should have had some students tested for ostarine...?


Posted: May 24, 2019, 3:08 PM
 

A few testing positive would have made it okay...?

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I hope this is a joke.***

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 3:41 PM
 



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Would make about as much sense, wouldn't it??***


Posted: May 25, 2019, 9:33 AM
 



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I'm pretty sure everyone knows about UNC's silly little loop whole.


Posted: May 24, 2019, 4:16 PM
 

That doesn't hide the fact it was predominately (by a huge margin) athletes.


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Posted: May 25, 2019, 1:02 PM
 

I hear ya - Francis.... But - my question has always been - if it were purely academic - wouldn’t/shouldn’t the NCAA have known this from the beginning instead of spending so much time and money - claiming they were going to do the right thing ?!! Seems like they were buffaloed by something - probably the gigantic lawyering up by UNC - and the NCAA’s cash cow - UNC basketball..,

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:04 AM
 



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I hope you didn't jinx this too. ***

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:10 AM
 



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Re: I hope you didn't jinx this too. ***

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:12 AM
 

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Make it idjit proof and someone will make a better idjit.


Re: Guilty until proven innocent***

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:52 AM
 

They were already proven guilty with the positive test.

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^^^ This***

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 10:09 AM
 



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Re: Ostarine appeal / breaking news

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:07 AM
 

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Preview of Thor: Trailer Soccer?***

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:14 AM
 



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A denial...


Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:07 AM
 

must have something to do with the origin...which has been a secret. Hate it for these fine young men...

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Perhaps therein lies the problem...


Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:11 AM
 

The origin remains a mystery.

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F*CK THE NCAA

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:09 AM
 

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The denial outcome was to be expected.

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:09 AM
 

I have great faith in the testing science and process. Our players had consumed ostarine. So the rules had been broken.

The issue of whether or not they ingested the substance of their own volition is of course more complex. I trust Coach Swinney. He did not have a clue how the drug got into his players. I trust Dexter Lawrence. He's earned my trust so I believe him. But I trust myself to do right a lot and I sometimes get off the track, so there is a little bit of doubt.

When no explanation came forward quickly with clear evidence of 'accidental' intake, I expected the result we seem to have. I'll continue to trust, respect, and believe our players but the result makes sense to me.

Clemson and our 3 guys are not the first ones to run unexpectedly into this sort of trouble. Some O-lineman at Georgia lost his career over a similar steroid case. Clemson will go another mile in warning, testing and taking the best possible care to avoid similar situations in the future.

The conspiracy angle remains troubling. Did someone outside the program intentionally spike our players? I dunno.

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Spot on Harley. There is something very, very fishy about


Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:18 AM
 

the source.

The two current student-athletes were tested prior to the December test, including in April and October of 2018 and again in January and February of 2019, and results came back negative for PEDs.

Something smells real foul here.


Something definitely smells foul here***

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 10:21 AM
 



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^ Stating a wise and true thing.***

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 10:24 AM
 



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Thats prolly your butt


Posted: May 24, 2019, 4:13 PM
 

cream you used as toothpaste. Either that or you used it as moustache wax. I heard the ladies love moustache ridez. You know about those?


Re: Thats prolly your butt***

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 4:22 PM
 





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Indeed

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:26 AM
 

The tests came back positive. Absent clear and compelling evidence as to the accidental ingestion of the substance, then the punishment has to stand.

That doesn't, for a second, mean I believe it was intentional, just that the burden of proof int he legal (or as close to legal as the NCAA gets) arena switches to the players/team.

Seems we couldn't prove it was accidental. As such the punishment stands.

Hate it for the guys, but it's really the only way to carry out testing for these things. It would be the true wild west if testing positive for a substance only carried a punishment if the NCAA could show proof that the player knowingly and intentionally ingested the substance.

I believe them when they say it wasn't intentional.

I also understand why the punishment seemingly must stand.

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I don't see why it should stand, when the amount was so


Posted: May 25, 2019, 9:41 AM
 

minuscule, and those other governing bodies have been overturning similar cases!

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:14 AM
 

https://twitter.com/ClemsonTigerNet/status/1131910293695672320


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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:15 AM
 

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Make it idjit proof and someone will make a better idjit.


If the NCAA was consistent in their actions, this would be

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:17 AM
 

easier to swallow. But, they aren't. They pick and choose like cowards who, and what, they move against. As a result, they try to make examples of schools and people because they didn't have the nuts to do the right thing the previous 8 chances they had. It's a credibility issue to the Nth degree. I've hated the NCAA since 1982 for this exact lack of leadership quality, and it only gets worse.


Bingo***


Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:19 AM
 




So, in 5 tests, they only failed the one administered by the


Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:22 AM
 

Lab the NCAA uses ?


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Posted: May 24, 2019, 9:40 AM
 

The issue I have is that the ncaa retested from the same sample. What if the test collection was contaminated? Why didn't they allow a separate test sample be taken? If 5 tests were taken over a period on months before and after it stands to reason to me that the one sample could have been tainted

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Exactly... A re-test should be just that.***


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That's like giving a re-test on a breathalyzer...


Posted: May 24, 2019, 3:44 PM
 

several days after the DUI arrest.

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Re: That's like giving a re-test on a breathalyzer...


Posted: May 25, 2019, 7:56 AM
 


several days after the DUI arrest.


So you think osterine metabolizes the same rate as alcohol?


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No...


Posted: May 25, 2019, 8:41 AM
 

But you missed the point.

The drug is usually undetectable within 7 days, but could take longer depending on the doses taken. Test results are available to the institution 15-20 days after the test is administered, per the NCAA...

http://www.ncaa.org/sites/default/files/2018-19SSI_2018-19_Year-Round_Site_Coordinator_Manual_20180710.pdf

With that said, just like the results of a breathalyzer would not be accurate if taken a few days after a DUI arrest, the results of an ostarine retest, even if taken just a few days after the original test, would also be inaccurate. And if it took a full 15 days for the results to return, we’ll, you get the picture...

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 10:11 AM
 

Gee whiz!

Where have you been.

This should not be left alone.

This is a joke.


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Posted: May 24, 2019, 11:07 AM
 

So what does this mean for Galloway? When does his suspension end? Mid December? Could he play in bowl game(s)? How does the suspension dates work exactly?


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Posted: May 24, 2019, 11:11 AM
 

Test all of the NCAA a holes making this decision and if any have trace amounts of anything on the list fire their ###!

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Posted: May 24, 2019, 11:11 AM
 

Test all of the NCAA a holes making this decision and if any have trace amounts of anything on the list fire their ###!

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Re: Ostarine appeal / breaking news


Posted: May 24, 2019, 11:11 AM
 

Test all of the NCAA a holes making this decision and if any have trace amounts of anything on the list fire their ###!

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Re: Ostarine appeal / breaking news


Posted: May 25, 2019, 8:12 AM
 

It is my opinion (just an opinion) that an unknown party possibly a ND, Bama, or Coot (from the testing staff) may have tampered with the urine sample. Just my $.02 and no proof obviously!

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