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TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:16 PM
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Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:18 PM
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Hope he finds what he's looking for. WR U only has so many slots available.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:26 PM
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He's probably tired of seeing the likes of will Swinney and others get more PT than him. He was a 4 star coming out of high school. Wish him the best.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:29 PM
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Why is your pulse so low. You have a valid argument.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:32 PM
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Bc I speak the truth about topics when I do post and if its not aligned with others, then.....
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:42 PM
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I don't think you know what "speak the truth" means. TJ Chase had about 25% more snaps than Will Swinney.
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 9:16 PM
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Productive playing time.... Post this year's stats between the 2 players.....
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Don’t spoil a good whine***
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 10:45 PM
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 9:14 PM
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Will Swinney 12 catches in 2019
TJ Chase 7 catches in 2019
One was a 4 star recruit that didn't get burn, another, 2 star recruit that has more catches than said 4 star recruit, with less snaps.....
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Did your forget to change accounts or?
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 9:54 PM
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Multiple personality disorder?
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 10:05 PM
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....and remind us how many stars Hunter Renfrow had. Not fair that he got so many targets when 4 start players were not getting as many!
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Hunter Renfrow is a bit better than Will Swinney
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Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 1:27 AM
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I understand that what you mean is that Will Swinney is a better player than Chase and that's why he was targeted more often and not that Will Swinney was targeted more often than Chase because he is as good as Hunter Renfrow
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 1:20 AM
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He has a good point. Chase wasn’t getting on the field this year and barring catastrophe 2020 isn’t going to be much better.
I agree though, he should have gotten more PT than Sweeney. We’re just too stacked at WR.
I’ll be interested if he can make an impact somewhere else like USF.
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 8:28 AM
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You might consider when the snaps occurred. I believe that Chase was on the field more with our top receivers. I would not expect him to get as many receptions per play considering he was probably the 3rd option or worse on most pass plays.
I wish him luck. Hopefully, he can shine when he gets out of the shadows of some of our other receivers.
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How many of those Swinney snaps were as holder on XP?***
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 9:09 AM
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:50 PM
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I see what you mean look at my pulse haha. I’m dying.
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:38 PM
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Just wait until Jake Venables starts and plays more than a lot of the 4 star talent.... It'll then be the "he couldn't handle the playbook" Propaganda then
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:40 PM
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Jake Venables was a 4 star recruit...
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:51 PM
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3star
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:57 PM
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Click on the link and look at the 3 yellow stars
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:00 PM
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Rivals has him rated a 3 star too. Let me look at ESPN now.
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:02 PM
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All 3 had him at 3.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:03 PM
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False check the actual 247 rating and not the composite rating.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:08 PM
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You are right...247 has him still showing as a 4 star in their own...3 star in the composite.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:04 PM
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ESPN 3 star as well. With this being said why can’t he man the position? Who cares about star rankings. I hope he works hard to beat out 4 and 5 star recruits. I love the underdog they have more to prove.
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Jake actually played pretty well against LSU...
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 12:06 PM
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After the Skalski ejection.
We have a track record of linebackers playing better than their HS rating.
Boulware and Skalski are recent examples.
Our coaches develop players.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:02 PM
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Obviously you only looked at the composite rating and 247's I even posted a screenshot and highlighted it for you.
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:15 PM
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No I’m still seeing 3 star with 247.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:24 PM
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Might want to get your eyes checked
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:25 PM
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Ok now what is DeMarcus Bowman
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A cyborg
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 9:58 PM
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An absolute werewolf
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:32 PM
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I see it doesn’t fit your narrative. I guess he was right about some of you posters.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:58 PM
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Marcus is a 5, Venables is a 3, going by the composite which puts all 3 recruiting sites together .... Both are 4 stars per 247's site ranking... Not hard to understand.
I agreed earlier he's a 3 star.... Also agreed and showed you he is right that 247 themselves, not their composite, does have him rated as a 4 star. Can you prove that statement wrong after I circled where it shows that?? No?? Thanks for playing.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:59 PM
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Marcus is a 5, Venables is a 3, going by the composite which puts all 3 recruiting sites together .... Both are 4 stars per 247's site ranking... Not hard to understand.
I agreed earlier he's a 3 star.... Also agreed and showed you he is right that 247 themselves, not their composite, does have him rated as a 4 star. Can you prove that statement wrong after I circled where it shows that?? No?? Thanks for playing.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 9:00 PM
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Isn't Demarkcus Bowman rated as a 5 star by at least one of the two major services (247 and Rivals - ESPN is joke)?
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 9:04 PM
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Ok so that would make Demarcus a 4 star and Jake a 3 star if your going by you logic.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 9:21 PM
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I can see you still aren't used to how to discuss star ratings. Let me help...
There is a difference between saying he's a 247 4 star and saying he's a composite 4 star. Saying Jake is rated as a 4 star is not incorrect...247's site rankings do indeed show him as a 4 star. So someone or any media calling him a 4 star would be correct as long as they mention "per 247". If talking composite, it changes. Both ways are correct, depending the level you are talking.
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 9:26 PM
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Like I said whatever fits your narrative.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 9:34 PM
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Whoa trying to fit a narrative? That's how the media even does it. I showed a link earlier that the headline states "4 star Jake Venables"... Why does it State that? Because they are referencing 247's site rating, which does show him as a 4 star. YOU said "No I’m still seeing 3 star with 247"... No, you see 3 star with the composite....but you said "with 247"... So you would be incorrect. He's 4 star, per 247. He's 3 per Rivals, ESPN, and the combined composite... But not "with 247". ??
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 9:45 PM
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Is the composite not on 247. Am I missing something.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 10:18 PM
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The composite is a 247 hosted combined rating.... It's not their actual rating. Their rating... The "with 247" rating, done by 247 alone, is the other one. So no, he wasn't rated 3 star by 247. He was rated 4 star by them, and the composite is made 3 star only by combining in not other 247 ratings, but Rivals and ESPN's...
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 8:39 AM
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Yes you are. For 247 there are two indexes. One is their own rating similar to Rivals and ESPN. The other is the Composite Index. It is not the 247 rating, but the composite ranking of ESPN, Rivals, and its own ranking. I don't know if they use others as well, but composite ranking basically gives an average ranking.
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3 stars have
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 9:59 PM
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Done well in our defense.
Just saying
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:18 PM
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Okay now what is DeMarcus Bowmen rated as? I see 5 star compsite and 4 star from 247.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 9:50 PM
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Stars mean nothing when a kid does not make camp tours. I think our staff has found a lot of guys with lower stars who performed well and play in the NFL. Jarret, Humphries, Beasley and others.
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Wrong, loud wrong in 2020?***
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 7:02 AM
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Re: Good Luck...
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 9:05 AM
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BJ Goodson still showing out in the NFL and he was rated way lower than Steph Anthony and Steward. I remember Steele saying he was going to be the best when the light turned on!
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I didn't remember that Will was a TE***
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:48 PM
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Re: I didn't remember that Will was a TE***
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:49 PM
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Neither are Tight ends....Will and TJ are both WR's.
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What are you both talking about?
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 10:22 PM
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First of all, Dabo has gone to the CFP every single year for the last 5 years and has won 2 of the last 4. So he can put his wife in for all I care. Second, stars are not the end-all-be-all of player evaluation...the coaches are at daily practices. Look at Renfrow (no stars) and then 5-star Josh Belk.
What about Xavier Kelly? He was also a 4-star. Did Will take his playing time too? Sometimes players just don't pan out and get pushed down the depth chart for whatever reason. Maybe other guys just worked harder...maybe the highly-rated guys had some off-the-field issues. We have several 4+ star-rated players right now (that I'm not going to mention by name) that aren't living up to expectations from recruiting. It happens.
Keep saying things like this and you not only make the program look bad, but you just might just make it easy for Dabo to leave one day. You think players, coaches, and media guys don't read stuff online? There's a reason Herbie's kids don't go to tOSU. And I've heard Dabo and some of the pundits quote stuff almost verbatim that had been said on here.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:58 PM
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Could it be that 80 or 90 of Swinney's plays were on extra points and field goals??? That would have put Chase out there around 3x more give or take. Playing time is hard to come by, huh.
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Re: Good Luck...
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 9:19 PM
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No, you're reaching. Referencing playing time, more specifically, in garbage time... When the 2s should be getting more reps.
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So you are upset that
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 8:50 AM
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Chase did not get quality garbage time reps? And that he has the right to be offended bc Will Swinney got more touches? Just curious, but how many targets did Chase have? Drops? Where did he line up in regards to Swinney and who was the QB and was Chase even open?
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The issue is that he wants to start which is never going to
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 9:14 AM
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... happen at Clemson.
He’s just not.
Will Swinney may get a lot of courtesy snaps at WR, but he’s mostly on the team as a holder.
Swinney is not the reason TJ Chase hasn’t become a factor in the Clemson passing game.
Chase was simply a victim of great recruiting. Same as Cornell Powell.
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just wait till they start playing players
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:23 PM
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the free agent portal is going to get even more bloated with guys going to places they feel they can make more bank
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:28 PM
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I hope Dabo is getting some nice thank you notes for contributing and not taking from the transfer pool. All teams should follow his lead and then these dudes would have to gut it out.
Desperation can be a heck of a motivator!
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:41 PM
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I've felt like this was coming for a while. I wish Chase the best of luck. Maybe there is a spot with Jeff Scott for him. I would now def like to see us take a 3rd WR in this class now, though, for depth purposes. I hope Powell returns or our depth is going to be hurting. I think Powell has a chance for a lot of snaps next year with Higgins and Overton gone, freeing some spots in the rotation.
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 7:52 PM
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Do you think Scott is chasing both of the former Tiger Chase’s and the departing X man?
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:14 PM
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Will had no business playing as many snaps as he did. But I am fine as they where garage snaps. I think the venerables boys will be good.
Especially the incoming freshman. He will help out at safety.
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:20 PM
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We all like Dabo but daddy ball had no place in D1. Dabo earned his snaps at Bama. That Is what we like about him.
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Idiot squad moving on from Coach Elliott to Will now
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 11:18 PM
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Guess you missed the part where Will had better stats and production with less snaps. He's a smart guy and a hard worker just like his dad. I can't believe the people on here that begrudge Dabo for letting him get a play or two a game. I guess we have run out of actual real things to complain about.
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:58 PM
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Will had no business playing as many snaps as he did. But I am fine as they where garage snaps. I think the venerables boys will be good.
Especially the incoming freshman. He will help out at safety.
It's Venables...
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 9:23 PM
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I said the same thing.... How did Jake look after skalski went out of the game?
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 8:50 AM
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Are you honestly saying that Venables put his son in the NCG due to favoritism and not because he was the best option? You want to rephrase and clarify because that seems to be what you are implying.
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All-TigerNet [11931]
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Yep Venables = young 3-star while Skalski = 4th year 3-star.
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 1:45 PM
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It took Skalski a LONG time to earn his place.
Venables is his back-up.
Who else would people have thrown in there to replace Skalski?
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USF maybe
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:19 PM
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I'm sure he would find more playing time.
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28 miles from Mom's house .
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:21 PM
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:21 PM
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Best of luck TJ! Once a Tiger, always a Tiger!
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Have always been a TJ Chase Fan
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:30 PM
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Never understood why he didn't get more p.t.
Blocking? Ignorance OF PLAYBOOK? Not a coach favorite? Way too many WR's? Anyway, wish him the best.
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Re: Have always been a TJ Chase Fan
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 9:55 AM
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He didn’t get the PT because he’s just not as good as the players in front of him. He would shine in the MAC or the Sunbelt.
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
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Posted: Jan 20, 2020, 8:37 PM
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Best wishes TJ. Hope you find a great place to get ready for the next level. Thanks for your contributions.
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
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Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 3:08 AM
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This gives us WR for the next two years, unless we want depth at another position. I believe he will play for USF.
I always love Chase to but he is still developing, he should stay. As he develops he’ll will get in the lineup like Chad Smith. I always trust Dabo, he’s a good man(not perfect) but he loves his players as his own. Dabo doesn’t play guys who don’t work to the standard of best until they play the best they can.
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
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Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 5:04 AM
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I think it’s sad that Clemson’s program has reached elite status but yet we fans still seem to find petty or negative things to bring up about Dabo or the other coaches, or the overall program. We have played for the NC 4 times in the last 5 years. That is Historical in college football. We are the team of the decade. As a sports fan we should be celebrating everyday because we are part of Greatness CLEMSON University. Let’s not forget we broke the 59 year old streak of losing to NC in Chapel Hill.
I am referring to the transfer portal and the lose of some of our players (a very bad rule for college athletics). A 4 star WR is entering the portal most likely due to playing time. To me stars are not that important. Just ask Hunter Renfrow, Adam Humphries, Keith Adams and other players not rank highly by recruiting services. Yet they were able to be highly successful.
Why are we as fans worrying about a program that recruited the #1 class for 2020. Yet that does not guarantee continued success unless we stay the coarse.
Most players if not all players saw some amount of playing time during the regular season. Not every player would have that opportunity on an Elite D-1 team like Clemson. Dabo’s job is stressful enough without being called because 1 player maybe received more playing time over another.
I am “All In” and believe Dabo and his staff are more qualified than me to make decisions regarding Clemson’s football program.
I am grateful to be a part of CLEMSON while they are going through the best of times in the history of Tiger Football.
May 2020 be a great year for CLEMSON Athletics. Go Tigers!
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 7:04 AM
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I won't get into the reasons for Chase, but I truly like this guy. I thought he was an awesome receiver who typically made the catches that were thrown his way. And the weird thing was, he was typically OPEN. How he managed to separate might be due to various reasons, and I don't know them, but IMO he seemed to separate and become a good target.
Whatever reasons he has for leaving, I wish him the absolute best. The guy deserves way more than he has received, but CLEMSON is just too loaded at WR. When you have great QB's like CLEMSON has, great receivers want to play here and make great plays. It just doesn't always work out. I never thought CLEMSON would have this problem, but it has become obvious in recent years.
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 8:32 AM
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Go show em what it looks like to come from WRU! Best of luck!
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 8:37 AM
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I don't know Tiger fans feelings on this transfer portal thingy but, I see it as something that the NCAA has done without any thought of the long run of how this could eventually destroy the way we see college FB from the day the NCAA implemented such a rule just to show that their best interest is for the student athlete that I believe is just total BS. And I say that it's total BS is bc if their concern was for the student athlete, they would have closed the door on OVER RECRUITING and taking away athletic scholarships before they even considered opening up a back door allowing student athletes to give their scholarship back allowing them to just walk away from their commitment to the schools and the athletic programs bc they wasn't a starter and didn't get what they wanted in the snap count for the season. To me personally, the transfer portal is counteractive in a bad way for the student athlete and to the schools that are giving these athletic scholarships bc student athletes don't have to fully commit bc they can walk away from their commitment as soon as they can find another program to pay for their education without being pressured to fully commit to being the very best they can be.
It just seems that over recruiting and taking these athletic scholarships back from these kids would have been fixed before opening another door allowing student athletes to walk away from their commitment to the school. Both are bad, over recruiting and taking back scholarships is bad for the student athlete bc there wasn't a solid commitment to the athlete, and the transfer portal is bad for the sports programs bc both are allowed to turn their backs on their commitments to each other.
The NCAA really dropped the ball with this issue by not fixing the over recruiting and taking back scholarships. And to make the taking of scholarships issue worse, they open another door called the transfer portal allowing the student athletes to give scholarships back, and this leads to neither knowing anything about commitment to each other. And this can't be a good thing to be teaching the student athlete at such a young age, and that is commitment really means nothing, it's just a word that educated adults use that really means nothing!!!
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
Posted: Jan 21, 2020, 11:39 AM
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thanks best wishes
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Re: TNET: Clemson WR entering transfer portal
Posted: Jan 22, 2020, 10:29 AM
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Best of luck with your
future T.J. Thanks for being a Tiger!
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