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I really hope Coach Elliott has put some wrinkles in
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 12:36 PM
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the offensive gameplan. He has shown this year that his playcalling is not his strength. It has been mediocre at best and very predictable.
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Wrinkles? ####, we need an all new playbook!***
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 12:39 PM
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All-In [32534]
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Exactly. If we had a decent offensive coordinator we'd
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 12:39 PM
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probably be averaging more than 45 points a game!
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Re: Exactly. If we had a decent offensive coordinator we'd
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 12:43 PM
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It’s almost like people don’t understand Clemson Football at all ???????
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I'm also concerned we will play scared on offense
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 12:40 PM
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in terms of the play calls.
Let's not forget that we might also be limited by our offensive line as well as injuries impacting our wide receiver depth.
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I'm not sure why we don't use the middle of the field more
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 12:42 PM
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and ENOUGH with the freakin screens on 3rd and long already!
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Screens on 3rd and long are generally not intended to pick
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 12:53 PM
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up a 1st down. It's usually just a safe play call you see in certain situations such as:
1) Backed up deep in your own territory and trying to get some space to punt.
2) Trying to pick up a little more yardage for a FG attempt.
3) A safe play call in those "3rd and forever" situations where it's very unlikely you can pick up the 1st down anyway, and you don't want to risk an interception.
IMO running a screen on 3rd and 7 is probably a bad play call, but running a screen on 3rd and 20 is entirely reasonable.
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Re: Screens on 3rd and long are generally not intended to pick
Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 12:55 PM
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Bend don’t break
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Re: Screens on 3rd and long are generally not intended to pick
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:06 PM
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4) when you know a blitz is coming that you can't block and you think your WR can break a tackle and have very few defenders left between himself and the 1st down marker.
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Screens on 3rd and long are rarely
Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:19 PM
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The first in the progression
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Re: I really hope Coach Elliott has put some wrinkles in
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 12:45 PM
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This is shaping up to be a thread where all the "football gurus" talk about how Tony Elliott isn't good at his job.
Then there will be a sprinkle of posters with sarcastic remarks making those "gurus" look stupid but the "gurus" won't notice the sarcasm because they think they are right and know what they are talking about.
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Elliott has forgotten more about football than I'll ever
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 12:51 PM
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know about football, but anyone can see our offensive playcalling has been mediocre. I'm not saying he's bad at his job. He is a great recruiter and coach, but playcalling is not his strongest attribute as a coach.
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Well he's not exactly Steve Spurrier, but weve won
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 12:55 PM
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2 national championships and played in 2 other championship games with him calling plays. He can't be too awful at it, right?
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he had help from Jeff Scott as well
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 12:57 PM
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just sayin
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Re: he had help from Jeff Scott as well
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:00 PM
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No, no he did not. Elliot had always called the plays.
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Jeff Scott suggested the play that
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:05 PM
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won the 2016 NC with Renfrow TD so Elliot has input from other coaches including Dabo.
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Re: Jeff Scott suggested the play that
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:07 PM
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Yes, TE calls the plays. Input or not from others doesn’t change this fact.
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Re: Jeff Scott suggested the play that
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:07 PM
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He also has input from Trevor, the RBs, the WRs, the TEs, the OL, Grisham, and Pearman.
Elliott makes the play call though after he puts together all of the information from his sources.
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Re: he had help from Jeff Scott as well
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:04 PM
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He didn't have Jeff Scott's help any more before this year than he has had Tyler Grisham's help this season.
Jeff Scott was a co-OC in title and paycheck with Elliott but Elliott was always very plainly titled the playcaller.
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Yall act like our offense was different last year or
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:05 PM
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something. It wasn't! You're suffering from memory loss or recency bias or something. We haven't had a super creative offense at any point during this 6 year run.
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Re: Yall act like our offense was different last year or
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:09 PM
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Just curious, and I know you are on the sane side of this conversation, but what is a "creative offense"
The triple option can get pretty creative.
Running lots of trick plays can get pretty creative.
Shifts, motions, and movement presnap can be called creative.
In your opinion what is a creative offense?
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Re: Well he's not exactly Steve Spurrier, but weve won
Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 7:14 PM
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Lsu loss was Elliot's too
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Re: Well he's not exactly Steve Spurrier, but weve won
Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 7:15 PM
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Lsu loss was Elliot's too
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Re: Well he's not exactly Steve Spurrier, but weve won
Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 7:15 PM
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Lsu loss was Elliot's too
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You're a moron***
Posted: Dec 19, 2020, 10:40 AM
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Re: Elliott has forgotten more about football than I'll ever
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:00 PM
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Apparently you are taking your forgetting things about football comment literally because people called him a genius when took Cole Stoudt from a floppy noodle to dominating Oklahoma in a bowl with his adjustments in play calling.
"Anyone can see that our offensive playcalling has been mediocre" is statement made that insinuates that you see things during a football game that none of our coaches are seeing.
Tony Elliott has called plays for 6 straight seasons for Clemson.
The only times he gets questioned are when he loses games (even if it's a poor defensive performance), had a QB in Bryant who limits the passing game, has his best WRs injured, or when he has a weak offensive line. He also gets questioned when a combination of those things are in place.
Elliott doesn't call plays autonomously. He gets input from other coaches and players. Is every offensive coach on staff bad at calling plays?
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Re: Elliott has forgotten more about football than I'll ever
Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 4:20 PM
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He is the head play caller and your not saying he’s bad at his job but you keep saying he sucks at play calling???
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Re: I really hope Coach Elliott has put some wrinkles in
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 12:54 PM
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If by shaping you mean taking a dump, then I absolutely think you are correct.
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Re: I really hope Coach Elliott has put some wrinkles in
Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:00 PM
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I bet they open it up, and we see plays we havent seen all year.
Receivers and Galloway have a big day.
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Re: I really hope Coach Elliott has put some wrinkles in
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:02 PM
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We may see 1 play that we haven't seen this season.
We aren't going to overhaul our offense for this game.
The only reason to overhaul an offensive or defensive playbook is if you are severely outmatched and you are trying a boom or bust approach for a big upset in one game.
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We tend to debut one or two new plays for the CFP every
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:11 PM
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year which we might see early for ND this year, but i wouldn't expect more than that. In 2016 the big wrinkle was that fake toss to the left followed by QB power up the middle with Watson. It then became a bit of a staple the next year with KB at QB. We don't run that as much with Trevor, but i think we pulled it out in either the Pitt or VT game recently. We also ran that quick toss out to Gallman that game after motioning everyone to the other side of the field that left OSU with like no defenders on the right side. That was probably something schemed up specifically for that game because i don't recall seeing it again after that.
I can't think of others right now off the top of my head, but there's usually at least 1 new play that gets debuted for the playoff and then gets incorporated into the offense and maybe a couple others designed specifically for the opponent.
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Re: I really hope Coach Elliott has put some wrinkles in
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:16 PM
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We lost our #1 receiver for the entire season before the season even started. Then we've had what was expected to be our #3 and #4 receivers miss most of the season as well. Seriously, go and look at our depth chart at receiver...Will Swinney is our #5 listed receiver, and Will Brown is listed on the 2nd team depth chart as well. No offense to Will Brown, but who is that?
On top of that we had to play 2 games without our starting QB, and nearly all of our fans would agree that we have OL issues...and even with all of that we're averaging 46 points per game. Yet, somehow we have fans complaining of poor play calling.
Seriously, if before the season started someone told you that Rodgers and Powell would basically be our only consistent receivers this season, Lawrence would miss 2 games, and our OL would play poorly, how many of you would realistically think we'd be putting up 46 points per game?
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Re: I really hope Coach Elliott has put some wrinkles in
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 1:17 PM
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Will Brown is that other guy that always gets called Will Swinney by lots of fans.
HTH in advance!
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Agree with all that, but it’s just this simple, stop running
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 4:52 PM
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Up the middle, when it’s not working. He needs to find more creative ways of getting etn in the game..
a lot of folks on here can’t understand why we didn’t throw the ball to get a first down at the end of the last ND game. IMO, that lost the game for us. The running game was not working, and dj was playing great. We rand the ball 3 times, got stuffed or went out of bounds and gave no the ball back with too much time and a tired defense..
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Re: Agree with all that, but it’s just this simple, stop running
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 7:08 PM
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People blaming Elliott for the last drive in regulation against ND are pointing blame at the wrong person. No way was that not a decision made by Dabo. Elliott may have selected the plays, but I guarantee you Dabo gave him directions on whether to play aggressive or conservative in that situation.
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Oh deer lowered. Cue the "derrr look at our stats and wins"
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 2:24 PM
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guys. The play calling has been.....lets call it vanilla.....for years. Its been masked by out talenting everyone we play and the fact that we have had dominant defenses combined with generational QB's for the last 6 years. Just watch other teams play the game - they can fling the ball all over the field, you never know where its going, they spread it out, its exciting and doesnt look like a struggle just to get a first down. Our receivers are never open. The screen left, screen right looks like freaking Rob Spence days, we hardly run any crossing patterns, jet sweeps, or anything else to keep opposing defense off balance. I honestly have no idea what some of yall are watching.
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Re: Oh deer lowered. Cue the "derrr look at our stats and wins"
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 4:07 PM
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Maybe you think you know more than you really do.
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Re: Oh deer lowered. Cue the "derrr look at our stats and wins"
Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 6:07 PM
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Or maybe I actually watch the game and dont just check box scores. But thanks for checking in with you astute observation.
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Re: Oh deer lowered. Cue the
Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 6:50 PM
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I was just trying to be nice. You don’t know jack chit.
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Re: Oh deer lowered. Cue the
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 7:15 PM
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He obviously knows more than the Clemson coaching staff. Just ask him.
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Re: Oh deer lowered. Cue the "derrr look at our stats and wins"
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Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 7:11 PM
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Want to name these other teams that constantly get first downs with no problems, have receivers constantly open, and are always unpredictable? How many titles have these teams won?
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Re: Oh deer lowered. Cue the "derrr look at our stats and wins"
Posted: Dec 18, 2020, 7:22 PM
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She can’t. It’s a baseless troll. Probably a cooter or some other jealous loser fan base.
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