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New Story: Thursday Insider: Big recruiting weekend, QB depth chart and night game in the Valley

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 8:01 AM
 

 
Thursday Insider: Big recruiting weekend, QB depth chart and night game in the Valley

Another night game in the Valley and I can’t wait. What will two high-profile recruits be in town this weekend? What's the word on the competition between Zerrick Cooper and Hunter Johnson? Full Story »


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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 8:08 AM
 

I'm not sure that HJ is the better passer, but think he is the better runner; thus he opens up more of our offense and is more similar to KB.

Just my take!

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You knucklehead.

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 8:30 AM
 

That article it straight from the horse's mouth. I swear, some of you guys would argue with a sign.

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Re: You knucklehead.

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:05 AM
 

Saying he is a better runner and saying he doesn't know how to run the read option effectively are completely different things. Hunter looks like a more instinctual runner in the open field, but that doesn't mean anything if he doesn't know when to hand it off or pull it on the read option.

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Re: You knucklehead.

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 12:24 PM
 

> That article it straight from the horse's mouth. I
> swear, some of you guys would argue with a sign.

Umm, which sign and what's it say?

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Re: You knucklehead.

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 12:42 PM
 

Here’s your sign. ??

https://www.amazon.com/SLOW-CHILDREN-PLAY-warn-street/dp/B00095VBAY

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Re: You knucklehead.


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 5:37 PM
 

> Here’s your sign. ??
>
> https://www.amazon.com/SLOW-CHILDREN-PLAY-warn-street/
> dp/B00095VBAY



That is politically incorrect. It should be 'Intellectually challenged children at play'

Dang, don't ya'll know nothin?

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that same horse told us cole was better than watson


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:02 PM
 

just sayin

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only if the sign was wrong though


Posted: Oct 27, 2017, 12:39 AM
 

;)

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Every time the two have been on the field, Hunter > Zerrick

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:07 AM
 

Certainly it's been a limited sample, but the evidence has been pretty compelling.

Well, just win and all issues and questions are resolved.

But, lose again behind an injured QB and a guy who practices well, but can't perform in games and who know?

Go Tigers! Beat the Jacket!!

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But the guy with the shiny ring said other wise.***

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 10:11 AM
 



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Well, just win and all issues and questions are resolved.


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 10:15 AM
 

... and we'll be one step closer to getting another shiny ring.

Go Tigers! Beat the Jackets!!

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He said otherwise about DW4 vs Stout when FSU won shiny ring

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 2:18 PM
 

Supposedly DW4 didn't have "command of the offense" even though he outperformed Stout vs. UGA & SCST. Then miraculously, DW4 gained a superior command of the offense while sitting on the bench during the first 3 series against FSU-- a game where 1 more point would avoided overtime (and a loss that cost us the ACC crown, and maybe more).

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Re: He said otherwise about DW4 vs Stout when FSU won shiny ring

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 2:50 PM
 

Most of DW4's play in 2014 came against poor defenses. North Carolina and South Carolina had the worst defenses in their respective conferences. Florida State's defense had also regressed a lot in 2014 as compared to the preceding two years.

Georgia's defense wasn't great either as they gave up 38 points to Florida that year in an upset.

On the other hand, Louisville had one of the better defenses most of that year - in fact, it was very good at that time - and DW4 struggled in the 1st quarter of that game before he got injured. We're not sure how he would have done against Boston College, which had one of the best defenses in the conference as well.

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 8:22 AM
 

Consensus says that Carman will be a Buckeye, and Jamaree is a Bulldog lean. It would be an awesome flip to get Cade to step in for Mitch Hyatt.

As far as KJ Henry, I think he is wide open. We saw in the Syracuse game that we are missing the depth we had a year ago. I'm sure Dabo and Brent have the mindset that, you can never have too many DL's to rotate in.

Here's hoping we land them both.

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 8:23 AM
 

Gotta feel good that the one game weekend KJ's dad is able to join him on an official visit, he chooses to come to Clemson.

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Posted: Oct 27, 2017, 7:05 AM
 

You made a great point there, so TU to you!+1

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Oh David, David.

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 8:28 AM
 

You just recapped everything some of us have been saying for a week and a half on coaching decisions about backup QBs.

I feel so used and cheap.

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Re: Oh David, David.


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 10:12 AM
 





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Re: New Story: Thursday Insider: Big recruiting weekend, QB depth chart and night game in the Valley

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 8:29 AM
 

Gotta love Mike Jones. Not even on campus yet and he is one of my favorite players already. Just an ambassador for Clemson. He understands everything Dabo has tried to tell people about Clemson.

Can’t wait to see him on the field

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 11:31 AM
 

Ditto for XT. And he’s a SC native!!

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 8:30 AM
 

Hope KB's ankle is 100% to allow for cuts. If he's limited in mobility, he's not as effective and their D zeroes in on him. I'm all in on coaches decision on who starts and whow replaces the starter.

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I think either of our QBs can beat GT if our defense is on.

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 8:34 AM
 

My guess is that KB gets enough time to tuneup, Coop gets some good and much needed experience then Johnson gets to stretch his arm a bit.

I don't think they want HJ showing his legs off.

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Any of our QBs are good enough if the defense plays well

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 10:18 AM
 

At Syracuse, you sort of knew we were on trouble after the opening Syracuse drive for an easy TD.

Our offense was handicapped by injury and ineffective special team kicking, but the usually reliable defense just didn't show up.

If that keeps happening then it won't matter who is playing QB or who is kicking FGs.

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Re: Any of our QBs are good enough if the defense plays well

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 1:07 PM
 

My view exactly. Win with Defense.

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 8:42 AM
 

If KB is as close to 100% as this article states, GT is in a lot of trouble. This could be an absolute beat down

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 8:56 AM
 

Thanks DHood! Appreciate the insider POV, as well as the personal background info on the recruits.


GO TIGERS!!!

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What about Tucker Isreal?

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:03 AM
 

Only the team knows how he plays and I trust the coaches but I'm sure he could have those passes against Cuse that Copper overthrew by 20 yards. He's a solid player and has 4 years in the system.

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We're not sure if Tucker is real yet.

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:41 AM
 

He's recuperating from a extensive time of being sick. He lost weight and probably got out of condition for football. It is sad because he has a better handle on our system that any of our backups and he's a great talent.

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Re: We're not sure if Tucker is real yet.


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 3:30 PM
 

I agree with you, he is also an outstanding individual.

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Probably would have been picked off, he has no velocity on his passes..


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 10:04 AM
 

Intelligent player who lacks the physical tools to play at the FBS level. He could do good at the FCS or Div II level

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What about Tucker Isreal?


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:03 AM
 

Only the team knows how he plays and I trust the coaches but I'm sure he could have those passes against Cuse that Copper overthrew by 20 yards. He's a solid player and has 4 years in the system.

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What about Tucker Isreal?


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:03 AM
 

Only the team knows how he plays and I trust the coaches but I'm sure he could have those passes against Cuse that Copper overthrew by 20 yards. He's a solid player and has 4 years in the system.

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What about Tucker Isreal?


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:03 AM
 

Only the team knows how he plays and I trust the coaches but I'm sure he could have those passes against Cuse that Copper overthrew by 20 yards. He's a solid player and has 4 years in the system.

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Re: What about Tucker Isreal?


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:05 AM
 

Choice and Fuller also have close to 4 years in the system. Maybe we should play them and sit Feaster and Etienne

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Re: What about Tucker Isreal?

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:25 AM
 

Not a good example if Feaster and Etienne were struggling to pick up yards Fuller and Choice would be starting. We play the best player everywhere except QB. That goes to senior man see Cole/DW4.

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Re: What about Tucker Isreal?


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:30 AM
 

DW4 has a broken collarbone the last half of spring ball so the coaches probably didn’t feel comfortable playing him at the beginning.

Over time he got his time. Israel is a tier below our other guys in terms of overall arm talent. Watch him in the spring game and you can see the ball is considerably slower coming out of his hand. Couple that with his height and he just isn’t a guy that’s going to play at Clemson.

There’s a reason he is always an afterthought

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When you set state records in the state of Florida you are

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:41 AM
 

FAR from an afterthought. Injuries have held him back as well as DW’s success.

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:51 AM
 

He has been injured but let’s not pretend we have a Drew Brees clone sitting on the bench.

He was a great high school player but he is not a great college player. There’s been plenty of guys who have killed it in high school only to do nothing at the collegiate level. Israel is in that same mold as Kyle Parker except Parker had a rocket launcher attached to his shoulder.

Israel is a fringe D1 qb at best. And that’s not a knock against him it’s just he truth

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You are full of chit.


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:42 AM
 

Chad Morris was a knucklehead and demanded something that Cole couldn't do. Check the post season when DW was out.


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Swoosh!***


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Maybe I missed something or is this sarcasm?


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 12:19 PM
 

It is well known that TI is dealing with severe illness, GI issues. If you’re trolling you got me. Otherwise . . .

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Why is it not a possibility to adjust the offense to fit our QB?

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:04 AM
 

Why do we HAVE to run the read option all the time? It seems that neither Cooper nor Johnson are great at it, so why not run more plays where we drop back and throw or hand off to the running backs? Running with the QB is a nice weapon but only if it is a strength of the QB in the game.

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Re: Why is it not a possibility to adjust the offense to fit our QB?

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:10 AM
 

It’s part of our identity. They don’t have to be huge running threats but they do need to be able to read a defensive end and be able to get a solid 5 yards on a keeper here and there.

If they can do that it opens up so much more in the RPO game because teams will have to respect the qb and can’t just bite down on the RB or receivers

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:46 AM
 

It's time for us to get an alias. Ted Roof is no idiot. He will focus on stopping the pass and dare us to beat them with the pass. GT has an experienced upper classman laden defense that is more than capable of harassing KB. I expect GT to chase KB mercilessly to test his cutting ability and to tackle him hard to test his mettle stay in the pocket. If KBs ankle is only 85/90% he will be at least a step slower than usual. More than enough for GTs defense to catch him.

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Re: Why is it not a possibility to adjust the offense to fit our QB?

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 3:56 PM
 

I do not buy the identity crap that the read option is what we are. Go back the last 3 years and review the offensive philosophy. Yes DW made some nice runs off of the read, but our first option was always to find the open receiver! The passing game opened up the running game. Enter KB now the read option becomes the primary part of our offensive game plan. So if we now are primarily a read option team, this question must be asked, why did we recruit Hunter Johnson and Trevor Lawrence knowing their predominate skill set is getting the ball in the receivers hands? Can someone explain this?

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Re: Why is it not a possibility to adjust the offense to fit our QB?

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 11:30 AM
 

I agree. The coaches get all the benefits of the doubt from me (they've forgotten more about football than I know...) but if a player(s) cannot execute a play, it should be restrained from being called so much. How much does everyone enjoy the WR screen game this year?

I think Chad Morris was guilty of this to some extent: he called the same plays for Tajh/Stoudt/DW4. I think in the bowl game vs. OU, the coaches had time to ask Cole what he felt most comfortable with and schemed to play to his strengths. That was encouraging because I felt the new OCs were more flexible with their gameplans/play selection.

There is more than one way to keep a defense honest. I'm just not smart enough to know what they all are :)

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Not worries at all


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:20 AM
 

This week will not be a repeat of the Syracuse game. Our coaches have proven that they can make the necessary adjustments to win. Case in point, recall how they changed the game plan for Cole Stout in the Russel Athletic Bowl. Also, when our Jumbo Package became ineffective they abandoned it. I trust that they learned some serious lessons in N.Y. & they will not repeat the same mistakes. Look for the Defense to play Lights Out! And you better believe our backup qb’s will be better prepared. Not worried one bit! Go Tigers!!!

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"many fans feel like HJ is the better QB"

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:43 AM
 

Good thing our coaches don't work off of feelings.

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but they do..


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 8:57 PM
 

their feelings is a guy who has been here longer should play over a guy who hasnt even if the guy who hasnt is better

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message boards and social media shouldn't be referenced in article...


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 10:01 AM
 

speaking on a QB who has seen little game action. Sometimes we can be way too absurd on the message boards and those on social media to even worth being referenced in an article analyzing the state of the team

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May both great practice players, Cooper and Spence surprise


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 11:26 AM
 

us if they play in this game.

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Weather


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 12:28 PM
 

One thing I don't think has been mentioned much is the fact that they are calling for 90-100% rain this Saturday night. This could drastically affect our ability to throw the ball effectively pushing more on our QB run game. The last thing we need is KB running the ball a ton...

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 12:46 PM
 

If he is healthy, KB running a ton could be a great thing.....

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Re: Weather


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 4:07 PM
 

I just hate it for KB. The competitive spirit is awesome. IMO, he should sit one more week, Champion run anyone? Gotta have our horses ready!

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That is ONE HUGE IF. We all know KB is not 100%


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:47 PM
 

Maybe no one is 100% this time of year, but their ankles need to be 100%., especially when running in the rain.

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I read a lot of TNet, so I'm pretty sure I know a little bit

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 2:41 PM
 

more about this QB situation than the coaches :)

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 3:05 PM
 

Geez, Seems like I remember K.J. Henry him self explaining this process him self a while back. Oh well, I give up.

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 3:43 PM
 

A friend of mine, albeit younger, said if Kelly isn’t healthy and has to come out of the game Saturday and the rain is heavy, why not think outside the box and just put Adam Choice in as QB and run the ball down their throat with QB draw and sneak plus the option. Obviously running the backs as well. I told him he was goofy, but didn’t want to hurt his feelings.

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Posted: Oct 27, 2017, 12:01 AM
 

Looking at his HS film...we could certainly do worse

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Considering WRs are the strength of this offense, why aren't

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 4:39 PM
 

we throwing the ball 50 times a game? Might get that elusive 6th TD pass before Game 8

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Re: Considering WRs are the strength of this offense, why aren't

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 5:19 PM
 

What concerns me is the lack of TD production from the WR position this year. Our RPO seems like it's 80% run/ 20% pass (yes I know those aren't actual numbers). If we don't get our WR group more touches it could damage our WRU reputation and hurt future recruiting. Just my 2 cents...

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Re: Considering WRs are the strength of this offense, why aren't


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 7:44 PM
 

Because we now are a read option team.

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Re: New Story: Thursday Insider: Big recruiting weekend, QB depth chart and night game in the Valley

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 7:02 PM
 

QB analysis by Clemson has always been ### are you talking about?

FSU would start HJ in a hart beat.

Cooper can't read the defense and neither can KB. They both make the wrong reads.


I'm done with the groupthink

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exactly reading the article made me face palm


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:07 PM
 

basically said "hunter is the better passer but cant start over cooper because he isnt a good runner" its so ###### frustrating

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aka cooper has more seniority


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 8:55 PM
 

who cares if he cant do the read option better..if he can throw better then call a game that fits him..are they that stupid?

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basically if hunter plays

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 8:58 PM
 

and lights it up..it makes the staff look stupid just like they did when watson came in for cole and lit it up..cant have dabo looking stupid again he will rather take a loss than look stupid this time

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Your comment makes you look stupid. just say;n.


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:49 PM
 

I have more confidence in our coaching staff than that. They are not ego driven, as you suggest.

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Stupid comment!***


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You sound like a coot fan.***

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Will look forward to watching HJ in SEC or Big 10 in 2 yrs

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Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:04 PM
 

And then in NFL. And telling folks he couldn't run the read option at Clemson. That's fine. Go Tigers!

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yup folks like johnson and lawrence


Posted: Oct 26, 2017, 9:08 PM
 

arent going to ride the pine for long while guys who arent as good as them start due to seniority

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